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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:05 PM Original message |
Reality Check for all liberals: |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. The media has everything to do with it. |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. You can't blame it on all the media. We might try and look in the mirror sometime. nt |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. I don't blame individuals in the media; but I DO blame their owners; and I blame |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 04:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. We, as in you and I, don't have to. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. check your sigline. n/t |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. True! |
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duhneece (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Concise, practical |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Kevin Drum from Mother Jones wrote the center piece. Here is a link, did not intend to |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. I don't trust Gallup's numbers. Why should Drum? |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
53. Drum is pretty good at this journalism thingie, wouldn't you say? |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. But if that is indeed correct, then how did we get liberal majorities for 2 years? |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. probably because the mishandling of Katrina was so obvious that |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's all about labels. "Self-IDs." Check the population on the issues and... |
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Tony_FLADEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. 40% of Americans consider themselves conservative because of 2 issues: abortion and Balancing the |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Economics is not the main issue with abortion, it is about education which fundies object too. |
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Tony_FLADEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. According to the survey below, 73% of women have abortions for economic reasons |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
56. But they want them to have religious eduction in school. From someone else! |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. They label themselves conservative because liberal is perjorative term... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Kinda hard to balance the budget while providing the social safety net that would reduce abortion |
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Tony_FLADEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I think the American People would support increased spending to support a safety net if it were |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. Clinton Balanced 5 budgets which is 5 X as many balanced budgets as the last 5 Republican Presidents |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. Don't talk about labels, talk about issues. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
46. Or including torture as a 'family value' |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. If you actually talk to people, that label doesn't mean much. |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. People might like to call themselves "conservative" |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. and the democratic party inc has gone along with the dissing of liberal all the way nt |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. It is "cool" to say you are conservative and liberal has been made |
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felix_numinous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. What data is being referenced? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Gallup polling - traditionally biased toward the GOP and the Right. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Polls collect the opinions of the elderly |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
20. The best poll of last year was the one which showed that most |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. This could be true, but it still does not negate the fact that the Republican base votes repub no |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. I once met a woman while canvassing who considered herself conservative |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. First tell us where you get the numbers from. |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
24. Harry Truman has a thought for you... |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. Your statistics were accurate. But, I don't accept your political |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Wrong! It is a matter of labeling...when asked about specifics... |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
28. I really think the labels are too restrictive. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
29. Rush Limbaugh & the Right Wing have done their best to make the word "liberal" a bad word |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
30. This is the result of the power of Republican messaging propaganda |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
32. Reality Check?? |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
33. I have said this many times! |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
34. It is the word "liberal" that is in disrepute. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Progressive is the new liberal |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
35. The term "liberal" has been so vigorously and systematically stigmatized that this means little |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. When the DLC scum claimed to be "liberals"...when Joe Lieberman |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
36. It has a lot to do |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
38. To quote Winston Smith... |
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Cutatious (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
39. It's time for some compassionate Liberalism |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
42. When Dukasis ran for prez he let the name "Liberal" be sullied, disrespected |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. +10000000 to the power of infinity! |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 05:01 AM Response to Original message |
43. My core convictions do not drift with the polls |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
45. That 20% is at least half of the Democratic party |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
52. Exactly there is years of work ahead, but people msut at all costs stay in the game. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
55. When asked a direct question |
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