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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:09 PM Original message |
I agree with Dennis Kucinich. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Kucinich has wandered off into Ralph Nader territory, it would seem. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. He's been there for years. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Thanks for the link, ProSense. n/t |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. I guess these Democrats are wrong as well then... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. The fact |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
88. I believe that is all unconstitutional. |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. stop siding with the Teabaggers! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Is the war powers act constitutional? |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. It is a legal act of congress and hasn't been declared invalid by the USSC.. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. LOL |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. You have anything to add? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. So, a law is constitutional until the Supreme Court says it's not |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Yes, you're right. Unless you think a law is unconstitutional |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. So the SCOTUS can retroactively change reality |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. The SCOTUS is the only institution that can decide a law is unconstitutional, |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. But one day it's constitutional, the next day it's not |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Legally speaking that's true. A law is presumed legal till a court |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Legal presumptions and reality don't always match up |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. True. But we're a "nation of laws" so SCOTUS determines |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. Marbury v. Madison. Justice John Marshall |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Yes, no one else can rule on the constitutionality of the law |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. It is until the Supreme Court says it isn't. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. I go to school every day. The War Powers Act applies only |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Completely wrong. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. The constitutionality of the War Powers Act is debatable. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. WH pushes back.... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. Congress has 60 days in which to authorize the action |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I might be mistaken, but the War Powers Act, I believe deals |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Neither did Bosnia or Kosovo. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Neither did Haiti or Grenada or Panama or the Dominican Republic |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. He was against it |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. How does he feel about genocide and ethnic cleansing? |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. here ya go |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. but was he calling for impeachment? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. He probably would have if the Republicans hadn't beaten him to it. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. why? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Why? Because Clinton did pretty much what Obama has done -- |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Not calling for impeachment now either |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. Wrong. The Senate unanimously passed a resolution calling for a Libyan no-fly zone on 3/1/11. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Since when does one vote from one chamber of congress |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. They still have 57 days in which to do so. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Yet, the War Powers Act gives the President no authority unless |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. So how did Clinton get away with Bosnia/Kosovo? |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. We should impeach Truman for the.... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. And the Korean war is technically still going on. We've been in a cease-fire |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. So come on DUers and Kucinich.... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Not unless we impeach FDR for the way he treated the Japanese. nt |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
75. If you are suggesting that this is about race, you are wrong. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. which top secret report.... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. "no authority unless US is under immediate threat of attack." Actually, |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. you are wrong- and this issue was brought up by Kucinich in 1999 |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. but |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Apparently Obama ain't no Clinton....... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
64. the grounds he is using for the threat of impeachment for Pres. O |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
28. War Powers Act link... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. It's only impeachable if a black Democrat does it apparently. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Nailed it. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Kucinich is a racist now? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Did he file articles against Bush? What did he say about Kosovo and Clinton? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Or Clinton and Haiti. nt |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Kucinich is a racist now? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
90. Laughable, isn't it? |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. how many times do you have to be told something? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Did he file them against Clinton for Haiti, Kosovo, the Sudan, |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. Was that the question? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Did Special K call for Clinton's impeachment for Haiti? nt |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Kucinich is a racist now? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Just pandering to a certain element. Redistricting means he's going |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Nailed it again. |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. A "certain element"? |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I thought derogatory names directed against Democrats were not allowed? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I thought calling for them to be impeached was against the rules. nt |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. So did I. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Double standards |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Except he didn't call for him to be impeached. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
94. They are... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Wasn't WWII the last formally declared war? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Formally declared, yes. |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
86. Isn't that special |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
89. At least you're admitting Obama is doing the same thing as Bush. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Count me you...he is a divider at this point..weakening the overall picture with sniping and whining |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
61. +1 |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
80. bravo! |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
81. I also agree with you |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
87. Me, too. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
91. You don't know about the constitution. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
93. *Ahem* |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Thank you. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. It is. nt. |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
95. Besides grandstanding and mishandling olive pits. What exactly does Dennis do again? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
98. So did this guy |
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