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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:06 AM
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Poll question: Do You Approve Of The The Way Anwar al-Awlaki Was Disposed Of?
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 09:06 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:34 AM
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1. Another burial at sea?
:shrug:
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:36 AM
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2. do you approve of ending questions with a preposition?
:shrug:


:yoiks:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:47 AM
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3. lol! nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:24 PM
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15. "This is errant pedantry up with which I will not put."
-Winston Churchill
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:00 AM
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4. Bloodlust crosses party lines.
We've become so ugly.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:06 PM
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12. You're not qualified to judge the rest of us. Did you weep for Osama, too?
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:02 AM
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5. Yes, regardless of the grammar oops
Despite his US roots, he had clearly chosen not to be a citizen any more. Not a problem for me that he was whacked, along with some of his minions without a "trial." Collateral damage of innocents is horrible, but so is the same issue when we are on the receiving end of actions of this creature and others like him.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:50 AM
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6. It isn't his "US roots". He was a U.S. citizen, and no amount of
rationalization ('he chose not to be', 'his actions took away his citizenship') changes that. And the stark fact is that many DUer's are happy to agree that the President (ANY President - Obama, Perry, Bachmann, Palin) has the legal right to order the execution of a U.S. citizen without charges, indictment or any Due Process. Scary thought.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:58 AM
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7. You're defending the head of Al-Qaeda in Yemen who directed US terrorists. How precious.
The AUMF grants President Obama the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determines "planned, authorised, committed or aided" the 9/11 attacks, or who harboured said persons or groups.

Furthermore, the AUMF purposefully doesn't delineate any territorial specificity or geographical limits.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:50 PM
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11. and you're defending cheney when you approve of bush-era policy like aumf
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:31 PM
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17. AUMF was bi-partisan to a tee - where were you the morning of September 11th, 2001?
Congressional votes
House of Representatives

On September 14, 2001 bill House Joint Resolution 64 passed in the House. The totals in the House of Representatives were: 420 Ayes, 1 Nay and 10 Not Voting (the Nay was Barbara Lee - D-CA).
Senate

On September 14, 2001 Senate Joint Resolution 23 passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays, 2 Present/Not Voting (Senators Larry Craig - R and Jesse Helms - R).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists#Congressional_votes
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:57 PM
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22. USAPATRIOT was also bipartisan..
dick cheney liked to scare people with the spectre of 9/11 as well.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:07 PM
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13. anybody but Obama. Who knew the bitterness went so deep?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:01 AM
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9. He became a traitor to this country. He declared war on this country. He spoke out often
about killing Americans. Sorry-it's ridiculous to say the killing of al-Awlaki means the president has the legal right to kill any U.S. citizen...
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:31 PM
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18. See Post Fifteen
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:59 AM
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8. No.
Killing an American citizen without a trial and a conviction was unconstitutional when Bush did it, and it's wrong when Obama does it.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:02 AM
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10. yes
Snapping off Al Q one at a time is crippling them. And his involvement with Al Q as was never in question. It's a good goal imho.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:16 PM
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14. I'm against the death penalty - regardless if there is a trial or not.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:30 PM
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16. I'm Pro Life Across The Board
I am against unjust war, abortion, the death penalty, and euthanasia. That being said we live in a pluralistic society where the rights of society and the individual need to be balanced. If we are indeed at war with the terrorists then killing a terrorist is justified.

In the instant case I am ambivalent but I know defending Awlaki is not a hill I would die on.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:38 PM
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19. I'm actually not sure.
I dont' have enough information yet.

In this day and age, we mostly don't have time to second guess all of these things.

To a degree we do have to trust the government. Which is why I'd rather have Ds in there than Rs.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:59 PM
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23. kill em all and let god sort em out
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:03 PM
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33. No, but how are you going to ever have enough information
to judge in each and every case? And then deal with many Americans disagreeing with you? It's a matter of where to draw the line. Either black and white position is just impractical.

When things happened that were wrong, we did see it - the torture in Iraq, for instance. It's not that we have to trust them 100%. But a lot of the time, we just don't have the time or a way to figure out each case.

If Bush had killed OBL in early August 2001, we'd have been wrongheaded (though we'd never know it) to take this attitude. If it prevented that attack, at least.

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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:04 PM
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20. It would be a better, fairer question if you left his name out and described the "disposal"
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:08 PM
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21. I Tried To Make The Question As Neutral As Possible
By callling it an execution I would be putting my thumb on the scale. I am ambivalent about it because "due process" is very important to me and I take the suspension of it quite serious.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:15 PM
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24. Bingo.
I applaud the disposal of this decrepit piece of human garbage.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:57 PM
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25. LOL....only because this is the GDP and only because it was Obama. Classic double standard!
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:19 AM
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29. LOL... keep repeating that despite being wrong
This isn't the first American fugitive killed without a trial. Classic double standard indeed! But this is Obama! ODS brought along the same screamers during Osama's death, too.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:02 PM
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26. Other: Oppose the unchecked system that disposed of him.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:08 PM
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27. I think assassinations are more ethical than wars, but we have both.
Since we are already at war, I am not really sure what the difference is. A big part of war is choosing targets and then blowing them up, either literally or figuratively.

What is the difference between targeting him, and targeting an Al-Qaeda training camp?
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:16 PM
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28. +1000
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Meandering Kitten Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:40 AM
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30. Yes. It had to be done.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:04 AM
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31. When You Dedicate Your Life To Placing Bombs On Planes Filled With Innocent Men, Women, and Children
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 10:05 AM by mikekohr

no one should be surprized when we fly an un-manned aircraft filled with explosives through your windshield.

When a mass murderer hides in a foreign country, cowers behind women and children, continues to threaten, plot, incite, and advocate the cowardly murder of innocents, that person has chosen to be a grave risk to the security of the United States of America, the world community and an affront to all that is good and decent.

When a person hides behind the law to wage endless mass murder and ceaseless destruction of life and property that person has declared war on the United States. This mass murderer and those that perished with him did not care how many hundreds or thousands had to suffer and die to fulfill his wish of martyrdom. We obliged his death wish and spared thousands the torment that was his twisted vision of paradise on Earth. It is a far better place without him.

Let their names never be repeated, their memories be forgotten. May their ashes drift with the wind in desolate lands and may God have mercy on their souls.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:20 AM
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32. You should have made an AMBIVALENT poll option. Cause that's where I am. n/t
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