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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:52 PM
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"Guess Chris Christie's Weight!"
Michael Kinsley, my friend and former boss at the New Republic and Slate, has a Bloomberg column today arguing that Chris Christie's fatness is a legitimate issue in judging his fitness (no pun intended) to be president. Paul Campos, a law professor at the University of Colorado, argues elsewhere on this Web site that it isn't a legitimate issue, or, if it is, it isn't clear whether it's a minus or a plus. I take a more scientific approach to this question. Earlier this week I surveyed America's fattest presidents (defined as those with a Body Mass Index of 30 or more) and found, based on Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.'s 1996 "greatness" rankings, that collectively these lipo-Americans fell into the "average" category as presidents, albeit at its higher end. As some readers pointed out, it was a small sample--only five presidents were in the 30-plus range, and one of them was the almost pathologically vigorous Theodore Roosevelt. (Chester Arthur, 28.7, and Bill Clinton, 28.3, were our sixth- and seventh-fattest presidents, but being shy of 30 they did not meet the medical definition of obesity. Interestingly, we have only ever had one president who was medically obese and also a Democrat. That was Grover "Where's My Pa?" Cleveland. Three of the others were Republicans and the fifth was a Whig. Draw whatever conclusions you like.)

It seems clear that, whether people argue that Christie's weight is a legitimate issue or whether they argue it's an illegitimate one, we're going to be talking for some time about ... Christie's weight. Shouldn't we therefore at least know what that weight is? As best I can determine the man has never made such information public. Presumably if he enters the race he'll end up disclosing it, along with his tax records and his college transcripts. But why wait? In his book The Wisdom of Crowds James Surowiecki wrote about the eerie accuracy of crowd-sourced estimates about, say, how many marbles were in a jar. You just take all the estimates, average them, and poof!--you get something very, very close to the actual number. As individuals we are stupid but collectively we are geniuses. (I would have thought you'd take the median, to screen out the outliers, but apparently outliers have views that warrant equal attention--a lesson often forgotten in the policy realm.) This theory works better in some contexts than in others--the New York Times has spent the better part of 20 years constantly recalibrating its best-seller lists to make American reading habits seem less appalling--but apparently its efficacy in the realm of simple objective facts is unchallenged.

In that spirit, I invite TNR subscribers to offer, in the comment section below, estimates of Chris Christie's weight. I will then compute the average, and we'll call that Christie's weight until better information becomes available.

Update: It seems to be Debate The Saliency of Christie's Weight Day. Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post says aye ("It costs Medicare $1,723 more a year for an obese beneficiary than a non-obese one") and Jonathan Chait of New York (and previous occupant of this space) says nay ("Why does his weight matter at all? The only real reasoning I see here is that American elites view obesity with disgust..."). If this keeps up we may have a culture war on our hands. For our purposes, the only relevant information in either piece is Robinson's bold estimate that Christie's weight "appears to exceed the 286 pounds that would place him among the 5.7 percent of American adults whom NIH classifies as 'extremely obese.'" I'll put Robinson down for a guess of 290.


http://www.tnr.com/blog/timothy-noah/95589/guess-chris-christies-weight

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:16 PM
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1. Morbid obesity affects his ability to do his job. It is very relevant.
The man can barely walk and has asthma attacks. It's very relevant. We do not want people who are unhealthy, to the point where they cannot do their job, in office.

And this is NOT comparable to Roosevelt having polio. Roosevelt could only walk with heavy leg braces, but he was not overweight and he was otherwise capable. He probably had high blood pressure & hardening of the arteries, but they didn't have medications for that back then.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:57 PM
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3. Weight and Asthma should be a issue....
after all Teddy Roosevelt, asthmatic, and William Howard Taft, very obese, both died in off.... OH wait they didn't.

I wouldn't vote for Christie but this is NOT and should NEVER be an issue!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:31 PM
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2.  Christie has been hospitalized 2-3x in the past month that we know of, the last being 2 days ago.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 03:31 PM by ClarkUSA
The man is unfit to be POTUS, in more ways than one.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:20 PM
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4. Warren G. Harding died in office.
What's your point?
Just because Roosevelt and Taft did not die in office and were obese does not mean that weight and health is NOT an issue.

Weight and health are SERIOUS issues. You are using Rooseveltt and Taft for examples of obesity not killing somebody while they are in office. Not good logic.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:46 PM
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7. not sure why this is a repy to the wrong message but...
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 07:49 PM by whistler162
as I wrote Teddy Roosevelt was asthmatic and Taft was obese.

The people that are vainly attempting to attack a worthless but might be candidate for the Republican nomination are just what they appear to be idiots and fools!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:33 AM
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9. Welcome to the age of TEEVEE, where idiots won't vote for a short, bald or fat pres
That's idiocy for you.

Rail against it all you like.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:33 AM
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12. And you just better be (or pretend to be) the right kind of Christian, too.
Go figure. :)
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rusty fender Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:42 PM
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5. He is easily 442
Yep, that's my guess and I'm sticking to it. All the commenters on the NR column were way too low in their guesstimations.x(
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:56 AM
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8. Not even remotely close
He's between 310 and 340.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:22 AM
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17. I think he's closing in on 400 lb.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:43 AM
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20. Oh, dear. I didn't realize it was THAT bad!
that's quite an optic...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:45 AM
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21. He's a big fella alright. Yikes.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:49 AM
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23. Do you ever wonder how he, um, he and his wife have, um, ...you know...
:spank:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:03 AM
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24. Food play! George Costanza has some interesting tips for Christie.
From the Seinfeld episode The Blood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLKhJnKrf9M

George decides he needs to add food as a part of his sex life when his girlfriend lights some vanilla-scented incense, whose overpowering scent makes him hungry. His girlfriend only tolerates some food items, and is disgusted when George attempts to kiss her while eating a sandwich; George then contrives a way to separate pudding skin from the pudding, creating pudding skin singles and arrives at the decision to add television to his equation so as to make food and sex even better ("the Trifecta"). However, George's girlfriend becomes displeased upon discovering him eating a pastrami sandwich while watching a portable TV during foreplay. This later creates problems for George, as he cannot eat anything without becoming aroused.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:13 AM
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27. It could be everything's big.
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 11:15 AM by Kurovski
Isn't it great how the Clinton era and Republican obsessions brought in a new prurience to political discourse? :D :hi:

Comedian Wanda Sykes has a bit about how you just "know" things are going on in the White House these days.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:01 PM
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35. Hi, Kurovski!
My interest is,ahem, purely clinical, you understand...no prurient interest whatsoever...:evilgrin:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:11 AM
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26. His head is huge. He'd be a big guy just at his own proper weight.
Impressive.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:38 PM
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52. Yikes, his head makes me think of
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 06:47 PM by CTyankee
HEAD CHEESE!



Ack!
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:57 PM
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38. Hide the pot roast!
Move over Denny Hastert, you have competition at the buffet table.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:26 PM
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40. I thought he died but I just checked the google and found him alive.
I guess I figured he was a goner due to his weight...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:40 PM
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44. Hastert lost weight!
Wants to live and enjoy all that swag he scored.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:06 PM
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49. Yikes! Between 350 and 375
My brother was obese, losing a lot of weight. He was about this big looking, and he was 340.
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davidsonl Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:49 PM
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53. Bad "Guessers"
Absolutely guaranteed that he exceeds 400 lbs. And anyone that is in the medical or weight management field should be able to back that up. He wears dark, well cut suits and "seldom" takes his jacket off when he does not have a podium in front of him. He knows how to disguise, but pictures like above give a much clearer view of his enormous girth. Personally I think he would make a terrible president if he weighed 150 lbs, but his weight will most definitely hinder his campaign. He is a fool if he runs.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 07:35 AM
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57. Welcome to DU, davidsonl...
I admit this was the first time I saw him full length, and it surprised me. I always thought he was around "Fred Flintstone" sized up until now. I thought he was more solid.

It has been carefully disguised.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:45 PM
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6. A candidate's health should be an issue. Obesity is a health issue
If Christie runs then he should release his medical records and let voters make an informed choice.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:16 AM
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10. Why the sudden interest in the health of the President? Discrimination?
Discrimination against fat people is still acceptable in the US. Of course as liberals we couch our discrimination in "health concerns." Perhaps we can sleep at night justifying out hypocrisy that way.

If we were truly concerned about the health of the potential president we would have questioned Obama: smoking is as much a health issue as obesity--and perhaps more of a health issue.

And, thinness does not always mean healthy: smokers tend to weigh less than eaters, as do drug users and alcoholics.

No progressive has questioned the health and fitness of any other candidate (including Obama who is a smoker). What are the habits of the other GOP candidates? Do any of them smoke? Drink? Avoid exercise?

Superficial appearance may tell us something about Christy--and it is still acceptable to attribute all sorts of characteristics upon him because of his appearance. But lets not pretend we have a sudden concern about the health of the President.




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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:29 AM
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11. There's nothing sudden about it at all. It is always an issue. God damn it.
:D where ya been?

Look, in two-and-a-half years I've turned myself into a big belly-jiggling fat-ass. Every marker to good health is on the decline and my doctor is rightly pissed. You can bullshit yourself all you want, but I'm not buying any of it.

some people have gland problems, not me. I have thus far refused to accept my declining metabolism and food choices. Likewise I am not choosing an excellent way to deal with stress. I'm not getting up and MOVING around enough.

It's not discrimination to question the health of, criticize , or even create chiding amusement out of adults such as myself who make stupid choices.



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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:35 AM
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13. if it was health and not just cause he is fat--why focus only on him?
come on--tell the truth. It is about fat. Not health. Smokers are not healthy. Have you ever questioned the health of a potential candidate for office who smokes? Why not?

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:57 AM
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14. It's mostly that he's a destructive asshole. That's the truth.
A Doctor can decide an individuals health with tests. Obama's health is better than the asthmatic Christie's. He has gone to the hospital on a few occasions since he became gov. He has breathing problems.

Not all smokers have poor health, nor do all overweight people . But the more you smoke, the longer you smoke, and the more you eat the fatter you get (and WHAT you eat) it will catch up to you as you get older.

The presidency is grueling, what with all the extra-legal murders to oversee and all the trash talk from all sides, and knowing that the big guys could take you down AT anytime...well...it's tiring. Look at what Rumsfeld and Cheney did behind poor old Reagan's back while he napped in a jelly bean-induced coma. Nancy and half the world are still pissed over all that mess.

Christie's health is poor, Obama's is excellent.

http://www.huliq.com/60755/obama039s-health-records-show-quotexcellent-healthquot

But mostly, Christie is a Koch tool. He's a total tool.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:02 AM
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15. Oh, and please don't accuse me of lying, no matter how coy the accusation.
Especially not after I've spilled my guts--so to speak--by posting personal info.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:47 AM
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22. IIRC, Obama's smoking was an issue in the 08 campaign. I heard and read it
discussed numerous times. It was all out there, about how he was trying to quit and how Michelle was trying to get him to stop. So at the very least, if Christie runs he would probably have to discuss what he was doing to deal with his weight problem. It might be an interesting discussion, actually, with educational benefits to the public. We might learn some things about obesity we didn't know. Certainly, how difficult the struggle is for lots of people. Personally I think he's a tub of shit but I say that about thin republicans I can't stand. And I have a few barbs aimed at Orange Man because of his smoking and drinking...
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Vicar In A Tutu Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:20 PM
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39. Eating like there is no tomorrow will kill you faster than smoking
Diet is a MUCH bigger factor. It makes me laugh when people who eat shit and barely move around state how bad smoking is. No shit, it ain't healthy, but given a simple dichotomy of an excellent diet plus smoking or a terrible, deep fried and potato chips diet, only a complete fool would pick the latter as preferential. Japan has an incredibly high smoking rate but an excellent life expectancy. It is also renowned for having very healthy food.

There are no hard and fast rules and some people are just about indestructable but, frankly, when you look like Chris Christie you are almost certsinly in poor health. That's no even takimg into consideration his recent health issues.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:31 PM
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30. Obama acknowledged the health concern of smoking. He has licked the addiction, after
more than one try.

Christie has acknowledge his weight as a health concern, as well.

This is not discrimination. (For one thing, is discrimination possible against a behavior that is totally a voluntary abuse habit?)

The nation right now has a crisis with obesity. One of every three children is obese. The first time in our history. Also for the first time, we are seeing diabetes type II appear in children. Diabetes type II is one of the byproducts of morbid obesity.

This affects us all. It affects the cost of health care, for one thing. Chronic conditions like diabetes type 2, which are caused by LIFESTYLE, are tremendously expensive to treat. We all pay for that. And it's totally preventable.

Also, as a leader of our country, and of the free world, the President should set some sort of example. He doesn't have to be perfect. But smoking, excessive drinking, being obese...this doesn't set a good example.

Finally, as someone who grew up around morbid obesity, and works with a few morbidly obese people (as well as some just regularly obese), I can state that it is a fact that it affects job performance. It also affects the mental state, self esteem being a big one.

It's not discrimination.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:59 PM
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34. It was my understanding that Obama is still smoking
You may want to check your facts. I understood that he is having trouble "licking his addiction." It of course is harder to see Obama's addiction. Christy has the unfortunate addiction that shows itself to the world, inviting ridicule rather than understanding.

I agree that obesity is a concern for America. But, so are numerous other health issues that plague this nation. Yet, we are focused on the fat guy's addiction to the exclusion of any other potential health concerns. I do not recall anyone on DU complaining with such zeal about health concerns of other presidential candidates. Why? Thin people can be just as unhealthy as fat people.

If we want a litmus test--lets have one. For everyone. Not just the fat guy.

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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:53 PM
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37. Nope. Release early in the summer than Obama hadn't had a cigarette
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 01:53 PM by quiller4
in over 11 months and that he stopped the nicotine gum in the early spring.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 01:34 AM
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56. No, thin people are not naturally as unhealthy as morbidly obese people.
Christie is not "overweight." He is not just obese. He is what is called morbidly obese. Morbidly obese people have a condition called metabolic syndrome, eventually. Their condition leads to type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, high risk of stroke, and other things. These things are not "iffy." They will happen, with time.

A thin person can get cancer, have Crohn's disease, or whatever. But they do not, by virtue of a habit, have a life threatening condition like a morbidly obese person has.

Believe me, I'm the last one to discriminate against others, esp. morbidly obese people, seeing how I had several in my family. But because of that, I know up close and personal what that condition is, what it means, and how it affects a person's life and activities and work.

I'm not saying one shouldn't be concerned about other conditions, as well. We should, and we are. There was a lot of discussion about Cheney's heart condition, if you recall.

As for smoking...like the other poster said, Obama has quit. Maybe he'll start again. Who knows. But I will say that a man of age 50 who smokes will not necessarily have life threatening effects from it in the near future. If ever. Most do, eventually. But some do not.

But if someone is morbidly obese, there is no question that the person will get the things I list above, some in the near future. I would bet money that Christie already has some of those conditions (diabetes, high blood pressure). He supposedly has asthma and was hospitalized. His weight exacerbates asthma; asthma can be fatal. I suspect, however, that his breathing problems ar enot so much asthma, but breathing problems associated with his weight. This is common among the morbidly obese.

Morbidly obese people also have trouble sleeping, and some cannot lie down to sleep (the weight is too much pressure on their chests).

This isn't to say that morbidly obese people, like others, aren't good people. But denial is not the answer. They have a life threatening medical condition. They will not live the average life span. Their weight, or conditions associated with it, will kill them years before the average life span. This is why you don't see old morbidly obese people. They don't live that long. (You will, however, see the occasional old smoker.) I also grew up around smokers. Some will live a long time, defying the odds. Maybe they don't smoke that much or whatever. I once knew a really old man who still rolled his own cigarettes (no filters!). He lived way past the average life expectancy, even though he smoked really strong homemade cigarettes. But he was thin.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:57 PM
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54. Fatness is a choice.
And discriminating against someone's choice is always going to be somewhat acceptable, whether you're a liberal or not. If someone chooses not to wash their hands after going to the bathroom, I'm going to discriminate against that person and say I don't want him making my dinner, or tending my wounds, handling my child.

I don't want a fat president. It's a sign of weakness and over-indulgence.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:13 AM
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16. No Pres. should B allowed to weigh > than 3 X as much as Madison unless they're taller than Lincoln
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 08:16 AM by Bombtrack
That's atleast a better rule than having be born in the US.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:19 AM
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28. Yeah, but is there a Schwartzenegger (sp) exception anywhere in there?
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DisabledDem Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:35 AM
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18. Christie weight isn't the obstacle
It's whatever he can fit into a bathtub that is the obstacle issue for him :P
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:38 AM
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19. I have to share something...
when I heard that Christie might run, I thought..."He should at LEAST jog."
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:08 AM
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25. LOL
Slow-walk it first. Can't just jump in there. Could be dangerous
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:24 PM
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29. I'd guess he weighs over 300. I'll put the # at 350. Why do I think that?
Well, he's not really short, I think. Second, men weigh more than women because of their larger bones and more muscle. Third, I knew a couple of morbidly obese women who weighed over 300. He seems to be about their size, except w/o the boobs. So I think he could easily weigh 350. I'd say he needs to lose easily 150 pounds. (Kirstie Alley just lost over 100 pounds, and she wasn't nearly as hefty as Christie). But I doubt losing 150 pounds would make him lean; it'd take him down to about 200. Which would be overweight, but not obese, for a man who is not short and is still somewhat young (more muscle mass than an elderly man).

350. Sounds right.
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Meandering Kitten Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:34 PM
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31. Istead of going after her weight, how about his polices?
Whatever he weight, he should be booted at the end of his term.
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Meandering Kitten Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:35 PM
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32. his
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:53 PM
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33.  Job Discrimination seems to be legal with many of you. It seems
the last exceptable discrimination people are willing to do. He is fat but the man got to be governor of NJ for his brain. He is a lawyer and that hasn't gotten in his way of doing his job. I wouldn't vote for him because he is a bully and not because he is fat.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:22 PM
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36. He's not in a job, He's serving.
It's service. People vote, not hire. (well, ok, the Koch brothers hire pubbie pols)

If a Governor kicks the bucket in office, i don't give a shit. (In my state they always get sent to prison mid-term.)

But The health requirements of a president are higher, and the stakes in a loss are higher. The stress is higher.

And, here is the kicker: people want a spokesmodel to represent them and their country. I blame the TEEVEE. Good luck with fighting all that. Christ-amighty! Most heterosexual women turn askance from short men as partners. Good luck with the...well...silliness. No offense.
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Bloke 32 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:45 PM
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41. Is that really necessary?
From what I've learned of the man, there are many matters on which he can (and should) be legimately criticised. How he tips the scales is irrelevant, if I might be permitted to opine.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:04 PM
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42. We don't really need the number
IMO it's all bullshit. JFK was a health mess. At least we'd know what we were getting. And as many point out, smoking is worse.

There are lots of skinny people in terrible health.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:49 PM
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46. Wrongo.
And you know that JFK would not make it anymore. The womanizing alone would end it.

Feel free to step up to the realities of 2011 anytime.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:59 PM
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47. The very point is that no one knew
And at the time, no one thought he was not up to the job. And in fact once that all came to light, there was no suggestion that it affected his ability. So as long as we don't know about it, it doesn't affect ability. Really stupid. Each person is different.

FDR couldn't get elected today either. We're too shallow today. We let looks get in the way too much.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:31 PM
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51. It's all true.
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 06:32 PM by Kurovski
for now. But I do think FDR could be elected today. Maybe.
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Vicar In A Tutu Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:02 PM
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48. No, smoking is not worse.
Smoking COMBINED with a shitty diet and / or obesity / entirely sedentary, yes.

Taken in isolation, massive obesity will give rise to health problems which will significantly impair you faster than smoking will. For God's sake, anyone here who has a terrible diet and also smokes, jettison both but if you have to toss out one before the other, PLEASE make it the former. That's the one doing the constant damage, that's the one that'll most likely bring irrepairable problems sooner.

Smoking is patently A Bad Thing, but the thought police have really gotten a hold on people if they think it needs to be eradicated with greater urgency than the sort of diet that leads to the majority of cases of obesity.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:06 PM
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50. I'd like to see the stats on that
because smoking increases the risk of everything that can possibly go wrong.

Yet lots of fat people have normal blood pressure. Or it can be controlled in modern times.

It doesn't make a person less competent, either. Many skinny people are stupid. Many fat people are smart.

It's too shallow a way to pick a President or indeed anything. Obviously the voters of NJ did not worry too much about it.
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Vicar In A Tutu Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:01 PM
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55. Smoking will very likely screw you up long term.
Obesity can start to mess with you much more quickly. That is why there is an increased prevelance of juvenile diabetes and so on. You only have to look at the Japanese, they smoke like there's no tomorrow but an excellent diet helps maintain a very, very strong life expectancy.

I don't think it's shallow at all. Someone like Christie who is known to have had health problems already could very realistically keel over and die a week after taking office. What if Rubio or Perry or Cain is in line to take over? It's a pertinant issue.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:32 PM
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43. Christie and Michael Moore: same weight?
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 06:30 PM by Mimosa
I'm not 'fat'. It isn't a legit issue.

However, Christie doesn't look healthy, does he?
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:41 PM
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45. He certainly is a contrast to Michelle Obama's healthy eating and "Let's Move"
campaigns!

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