The Repubs. insult the OWS protestors because they think the protesters are out to help Obama.

[jenmito]

But from what I've seen, many of them are NOT pro-Obama. I saw a sign that said, "Obama is Wall St." and then who do I see being interviewed on CNN from OWS but Cornell West.

I wish they WERE all pro-Obama, and I think they SHOULD be (seeing how he wants to tax those top 1%, wants to close loopholes on oil companies and others) but they're not. Maybe the Repubs. will push the vast majority of the protesters into Obama's camp.

[Mister Ed]

1. The protesters aren't out to help Obama. They're out to make Obama help the people. n/t

[jenmito]

2. Obama is TRYING to help the people. The Repubs. and Conservadems.are stopping him. n/t

[vroomvroom]

20. Sadly i wish that were true.

Obama has a very conservative cabinet with many who actually not only caused the 2008 crash but adore the idea of banks getting the cash. So at the very least Obama is now an accomplice or very easily manipulated by the right.

Yes, once in a while he does throw a bone or two towards the middle-class but for the most part he is not for the people.

If he loses this re-election he will know deep down why.

[jenmito]

22. Bull. So you think every GOOD thing Obama gets done is throwing a bone or two but he's

really is an accomplice to the right? Don't make me pull out The List.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

33. +!

[Mister Ed]

25. For clarification: I, personally, have faith in President Obama.

In his speeches, at one time or another, he has challenged the people to make him do the right thing. He needs people to apply the pressure that will give him the political leverage he needs.

In OWS, I see the people finally taking up Obama's challenge.

[dkf]

3. Obama = enforcement. If people really think prosecutable crimes were committed it is his job.

Therefore the OWS protest would be a direct attack on him.

If they think there were actions that should be criminal but are not then this is an attack on Congress.

If they think that Wall Street is simply immoral and they are going to get Wall Street to act ethically and morally, then they are trying to do the same thing as anti abortion activists and good luck to them.

[jenmito]

4. Obama spoke on that issue. He said what the bankers and others are doing is

immoral but not illegal. And so many of them want the top 1% taxed more. So does Obama.

[dkf]

5. That is what Obama thinks but it is not what the protestors think.

They want people arrested...laws created on the fly perhaps. Or creative uses of existing law.

[jenmito]

6. Well, they can't get everything they want. Does that mean they'll not vote,

vote 3rd party, or vote Repub.? If they do any of those things instead of voting for Obama, they'll go from having a friend in the WH to an enemy.

[dkf]

7. Which is why many are wondering what the point is.

They only expose the awful situation we are in and the ineffectiveness of Obama/Dems/Government.

We can say it will be worse under the Repubs but the public will be gauging that for themselves and it may not fall in our favor.

We had control of everything in the worst part of this recession. Did our measures work well enough or was it weak enough to give the next guy a chance? This is why the health insurance focus really burns me. If not for that we could have tried to spin that we were doing more to build the economy. Who checks on this stuff really... But they all know we were doing the ACA.

[jenmito]

10. Really? It "may not fall in our favor"? For those who compare Repubs. and Dems.

and think Repubs. would be better, they're pretty uninformed.

[dkf]

24. Or desperate. Dems are the known. Repubs are the grass on the other side.

[jenmito]

28. Repubs. aren't known? Like I said-pretty uninformed.

[dkf]

29. Not Romney. I doubt even he knows how he would perform.

Funny thing is the current Repub fave is Cain. Now he is definitely an unknown.

[Andy823]

11. Just curious

Where are you getting all your information? Are you there on wall street with the protesters? While things are still not great, they are sure as hell better than they would have been with McCain and that dimwit Palin in the WH. President Obama has done a hell of a lot to make things better. Yes, there is still a long ways to go. You have to remember Bush had 8 years to really mess things up, and it was the only thing he did well in his entire time in the WH. The only hope of change we have is putting him back in the WH for 4 more years, along with putting in some new faces in congress, getting rid of teabaggers, republicans and any democrats who are in the pockets of the rich.

Those who don't get out and vote, are giving the elections away to republicans and teabaggers. Those who can't see who would be better for the country really need to take a long hard look at themselves and what they really want to see happen come January 2013. Allowing a republican back in the WH, letting republicans control the house, and letting republicans have a chance at taking back the senate should not be an option for anyone at all, unless they part of the republican plot to destroy this country!

[rhett o rick]

14. Bull Shit. I am so sick of "it could be worse so we should just be thankful and kiss Obama's ass".

Well go ahead. The protests across the country are protesting Pres Obama's failure to fix the mess. You may rationalize this and say "but, but it's toooo hard. Please be patient." Be patient my ass. Obama has surrounded himself with conservatives not progressives. Get it. He is conservative not progressive. The protestors are saying they dont want conservatism. They want their government back. They want jobs and homes and education. These ar things that the Democrats in Congress should be fighting for but if they are, they are FAILING.

The revolution is here. Either get on board or get the fuk out of the way. There is no Third fuking Way.

[Harmony Blue]

32. Well said

Majority of Americans value progressive values of a publicly educated society, with clean running water, jobs, and homes. All important because of the government.

Other than Wal Mart, most of the biggest employers in the world are governments. More specifically, the U.S. government.

Don't let the corporatists pull the wool over your eyes.

[dkf]

26. It's not a rehash of Obama/McCain.

It's between the Obama that is known and programs we have seen and are being touted as a further remedy vs whatever the Repubs come up with. What's more the public may not have the wherewithal to accurately judge Republican promises.

The jobs program Obama is proposing sounds mostly the same.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Politicians should be the voice of the people, not the other way

around. Spend a few years saying look forward, not back, a few harping on Bipartisanship, calling every Republican in sight 'my good friend' and the people will not take up your cause. It is pretty simple. Equality, equity, justice.
How could I put energy into Obama, knowing he might do more 'anti gay faith and family' rallies? Or invite Rick Warren to honored again?
Look at those people and understand that Tom Coburn is not their friend. Understand that they do not think God is opposed to love. Understand that they are sick up and fed with the bullshit.

[jenmito]

9. Thanks to Obama,

kids can now stay on their parents' health care plans 'til they're 26, DADT has been repealed, DOMA is no longer being enforced, and too many other things to list here. If you want to focus on the few minutes he had Warren on the stage NOT talking about gay rights, go ahead. I'd rather focus on what Obama has gotten done, thing of which Warren would not approve.

[Andy823]

13. I totally agree with you.

Obama has done a lot in his 3 years in office, and I am convinced he will do a lot more his second term if we can give him back control of the house, and keep control of the senate. For the life of me I can't understand how so many here think otherwise, and are willing to spew right wing talking points daily to try and keep people mad at the president! People stayed home in 2010 to protest the president, and look what happened. If democrats would have all gotten out and voted, we could be a lot better off than we are now with republicans blocking everything in the house. Anyone can look at what is happening in states that are now in republican control, like Wisconsin, Main, Florida and all the others, and see clear as day what the republican agenda is, and what things will be like if the get control of the WH, and congress. People need to wake up and get a reality check if they think NOT voting for Obama is a a smart plan!

[jenmito]

19. Thank you...

great post! Some here can't seem to wrap their heads around those facts.

[treestar]

31. I think you're saying they should be the voice of you

and not the other people who don't agree with you.

[unblock]

12. obama is beside the point. repugs insult ows because repugs represent the top 1%.

ows is a direct challenge to the repugs' constituency.

[rhett o rick]

45. Why are DU'ers against OWS? nm

[rhett o rick]

15. Obama has confused the republiCons by being conservative.

He supports many of the things they support. Now what do they do?

[Number23]

16. I don't think they are pro- or anti-Obama

I get the distinct impression that many of the protestors believe that the issues are much bigger and older than the president. I have seen alot of both sympathy and anger at Obama from the protestors. The president has always used a relatively populist tone but it's getting much more attention in light of these protests.

And I do believe that you're right when you say that the Repubs are attacking them, not only because Repubs think capitalism is the greatest thing since Jesus, but also because they believe that these protests will help Obama.

And they are probably right. :)

[SkyDaddy7]

17. Many forget Obama was criticized

for his harsh words against Wall Street & the banks in the very beginning...His views have not changed! Where were WE (OWS) in early 2009 when Obama was being attacked by all the famous WS talking heads on CNBC for what he was saying & when the Tea Party was being created by Koch/FOX "News"/Talk Radio? Obama said, "Yes WE Can" not "Yes I Can". So, we should have hit the streets 2yrs ago!

[jenmito]

18. Great point!

I hope those who claim that Obama is a Republican read your post. :thumbsup:

[ClassWarrior]

21. I DON'T wish they were all pro-Obama. I wish Obama was all pro-THEM.

If that were true, it would naturally follow that they'd all be pro-Obama. That's how it works.

NGU.

[jenmito]

23. He IS pro-them as much as a president CAN be. And he's 180 degrees from how the Repubs.

feel about them.

[ClassWarrior]

27. Thank you Captain Obvious.

Of course he's miles ahead of the Rape-Publicans on this.

At the same time, there's this:

Obama "empathizes" with OWS; will soon sign middle-class destroying free trade bill anyway

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=792027&mesg_id=792027

:shrug:

NGU.

[rhett o rick]

34. Good grief. He has surrounded himself with conservative appointments.

He is not one of us, he is a conservative.

[jenmito]

37. Bull. He has gotten legislation passed that a conservative would've NEVER signed into law. n/t

[rhett o rick]

38. Dont agree. You are judging by the new republicon party which is way right of

conservative. Judge him against Eisenhower or Nixon or Romney. How does he stand on the Patriot Act and domestic spying?
Explain why all his appointees are conservatives?

[jenmito]

39. No I'm not. He got DADT repealed, got the DOJ to no longer enforce DOMA,

is getting involved in the new racist immigration laws, and much more. He also chose 2 liberals for the Supreme Court. If you want to keep sticking with your "he's a conservative" line, go ahead-but you'd be wrong.

[rhett o rick]

42. Again you are mistaking conservative with right wing wackos. Seem some think

anyone left of Bachmann is a liberal. Not so. Again, why are all his appointments conservatives? Do I have to list them? Take Immelt for instance. In charge of jobs planning and HE MOVES HIS COMPANY'S JOBS out of the country. Talk about putting the Fox in charge of the hen house. Even his two Supreme Court nominees are considered moderate not liberal. I am glad about DADT but I want the Patriot Act gone and domestic spying stopped. I want a progressive health care plan not Nixon's or Romney's plan. Nixon was more progressive re. environmental legislation also.

We are paddling like mad against the tide but still losing ground. We cant survive unless Obama becomes much more progressive.

Those across the country that are protesting, are protesting the lack of progressive legislation coming from Wash DC. Obama has to own that.

[jenmito]

43. Nope. I'm not. Seems more like you're mistaking progressive with

socialism, judging by your Bernie Sanders pic. You say Obama's Supreme Court pics are considered moderate, yet they voted with the other liberals in every case so far. All of his appointments have to carry out HIS agenda. Oh-you're "glad about DADT"? That's it? How 'bout not enforcing DOMA, signing the Lilly Ledbetter Act, giving hospital visitation rights for GLBT couples, etc.?

Obama is aligned with the OWS protesters in quite a few ways. They should realize that re-electing Obama is very important to their causes.

[rhett o rick]

44. I think your "socialism" comment is tipping your hat. You think Sen Sanders is a socialist?

You think that eliminating the Patriot Act and domestic spying is socialist? How about more jobs, is that socialist?

And I must call you on this: "his appointments have to carry out HIS agenda". That makes no sense at all. Why would you appoint people that dont agree with your agenda? You dont. He appointed the conservatives because he aligns with their agendas.

As far as his picks for the SCOTUS voting with the liberals, what else would moderates do vote with the wacko's?

Again, the people in the streets are doing it ON OBAMA'S WATCH. They dont like the way he is "fixing" the countries problems. They want the change Obama promised but didnt deliver on.

[jenmito]

46. He's a self-described socialist.

And Obama appointed a businessman to reach out to them-to explain to them why Obama isn't evil like they think.

His SCOTUS picks aren't moderates-if they were, they'd be considered "swing voters."

They're doing it on this congress's watch, too. They want congress to tax the rich. So does Obama.

[rhett o rick]

47. You must be joking. "Obama appointed a businessman to reach out to them to explain

he" what? That he isnt a socialist? Make up your mind. Interesting that you think that he appointed many businessmen because he needs them to like him, yet he wont appoint a progressive, why? I hate to break it to you but it's the middle class that is crying for help, not the businessmen.

You still havent figured it out about the SCOTUS. You have two sides, moderates vs. right wing. No swing voters.

Yes Congress has some responsibility, but so does Obama. If Obama wants to tax the rich, why hasnt he. HE EXTENDED BUSH'S TAX BREAKS. HELLO.

I wish I was smoking what you are, but I'm not. Pres Obama has failed and that's why thousands are protesting.

Were you aware that Pres Obama recently appointed another republicon? Michael Taylor was just appointed senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. This is the same man that was in charge of FDA policy when GMO's were allowed into the US food supply without undergoing a single test to determine their safety. He "had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA he became Monsanto's Vice President and chief lobbyist. This month became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. Michael Taylor is the enemy and a buddy of the Present.

[jenmito]

48. YOU don't even know Bernie Sanders is a self-described socialist yet you

have his pic as your avatar and you think it says something about ME that I KNOW that? :rofl: Yes, Obama has picked some businessmen to reach out to the business community which hates him. He HAS picked some liberals for positions but the Repubs. have blocked each and every one-they've had to withdraw their names from consideration in the case of court appointments.

Regarding the USSC, you couldn't be more wrong. (Almost) everbody knows that Justice Kennedy is the swing vote, with 4 liberals and 4 conservatives. Sotomayor and Kagan are on the liberal side.

Obama TRIED to get Congress to pass tax cut extensions for only those making under $250K, but the Dem.-controlled Congress wouldn't do it. They wouldn't even pass tax cut extensions for "only" those making under $1 million. You can thank the Conservadems for that. The reason Obama signed the extension of ALL the tax cuts is because that was the only way he could get UI benefits extended along with the tax cuts for the "bottom" 98% of us, as well as being able to get the repeal of DADT done, along with the passage of the SALT Treaty and other pieces of legislation.

[treestar]

30. Heck, I have right wingers who claim that Obama and Biden are

"egging them on" or have conspired to create the whole thing! :rofl:

[YellowCosmicSun]

35. They are really fucking up by standing against OWS publicly.

They don't realize that OWS is a real version of what the Tea Party pretended to be.
And it will crush them in its wake.

[coalition_unwilling]

36. I've been at Occupy Los Angeles the past two Saturdays for

extended periods of time and failed to see a single 'Obama 2012' sign or sticker anywhere. The silence was, shall we say, deafening.

[AtomicKitten]

40. It's low-hanging fruit for the teabaggers/GOP but the movement is much bigger than Obama.

At some point, most against or on the fence about the president's reelection will come around. The constant coverage of the GOP bench's Kabuki theater will make sure that happens. Just keep 'em talking.

:hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

41. Mostly Ron Paul enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with that, but the lineup of big name....

endorsers make me cringe a wee bit. Let this movement be whatever it's going to be, but at a distance, is my advice. The Ron Paul & and abolish the Federal Reserve signs, say a lot. ;)