We need ALAN GRAYSON as Obama's Primary Challenger!

[vroomvroom]

Just saw a clip on Grayson on Bill M.'s show. Gotta love this guy. Not a sell out at all! Congressman with guts as the old saying went. My guess is if he primaried Obama his poll #s would be very competitive. Crossing my fingers:

Clip: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=623018&mesg_id=623018

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[graywarrior]

4. LOL!

[Number23]

12. dayuuuuuummm

:rofl:

[young but wise]

20. .........

:rofl: :popcorn: :applause:

[AngkorWot]

2. The guy couldn't even keep his own seat.

[Kennah]

13. Florida's 8th district is traditionally Republican

I hope Grayson kicks Webster's ass in 2012, but I'd say Grayson has a seriously uphill battle. The guy is awesome, but I don't want him primarying Obama.

[Webster Green]

25. Dems threw him under the bus.

He got no support from the Democratic Party. He's a little too truthie for them.

[YellowCosmicSun]

56. They decided it was more important to teach Obama a lesson than reelecting Grayson.

[Hippo_Tron]

58. His poll numbers were abysmal

The DCCC threw plenty of blue dogs under the bus, for the exact same reason.

[Webster Green]

71. Yeah.

Lots of money spent by the fascists for ads on their own propaganda networks leads to shitty poll numbers the good guys.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I'm a huge fan of Alan Grayson.

But a primary challenge by anyone would do nothing but divide the party and hand the election to the GOP.

Grayson should run for Congress again. I've never heard him even hint that he's interested in running for President.

[RC]

18. How would a primary challenger hand the God Offal Party a victory in the General election?

Please explain and please don't use Ross Perot as an example. He wasn't a Democrat.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

22. I won't use Ross Perot. I'll use Ted Kennedy in 1980.

Kennedy ran against Carter in the primary and took his campaign all the way to the convention. Carter's loss to Reagan was caused by a number of things, including the Iran hostage crisis, but the failure of Kennedy's supporters to support Carter after the convention is considered to have been a contributing factor.

[RC]

31. Only this time it will be the Obama supporters not doing the supporting.

[secondwind]

5. Stop already! There will be no primary challenge! But I do love Grayson :-)

[Lasher]

11. I would vote for Grayson in the Primary.

Yes indeed.

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[TheBigotBasher]

7. Grayson

will never hand the Republicants a victory, so here is what I am thinking now

[dennis4868]

9. right he would have let...

UI expire for millions just so he could go on DU and say he did not hand the repubs a victory....that would be very adult of his and presidential....WTF?

[TheBigotBasher]

21. Exactly.

I have never heard him say he wants to run for President or say he wants to primary the President but somehow his imagined imaginations get top billing in DU.

[dennis4868]

8. this is the all time funniest post....

first of all, Grayson could not keep his seat in the House and second - do you think if Grayson gets the WH the repubs all of a sudden in the senate will stop fillubustering and the TP house will give Grayson what he wants. You think anything will be different if Grayson is in the WH in terms of how the repubs will act? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[RC]

10. Absolutely! Grayson won't be caving in the name of bipartisanship

[treestar]

52. You have no idea what would happen

If Grayson were President, the same Congress would have done the same things.

[Davis_X_Machina]

14. The power of his...

...awesomeness needs only to be released.

A man who received the first standing ovation in the history of the Bill Maher show will not be denied!

And bullyfiresidearmpulpitchatwisting!

[treestar]

49. +1

As so often with this insanity, it's based on a performance on a TV show. Which Grayson can do because he is not President.

[Tx4obama]

15. When is this BS ever going to stop!

Grayson is running for The U.S. Congress in 2012.
Obama WILL BE OUR Democratic presidential nominee in 2012.

If Grayson wins back a seat in the House in 2012,
then it would be probable for him to run for the White House in 2016 - but not before then.


OBAMA 2012 !!! :)

[zalinda]

32. When Obama steps up to the plate

and delivers what he promised.

zalinda

[Tx4obama]

33. President Obama HAS been delivering what he promised.

I'm surprised that you haven't heard about ALL the good things he HAS done and about all the promises he HAS kept.

Here ya go ... pursue the links below to see if perhaps some of them can be of use for you ;)


Obama’s 2008 Campaign Promises Kept:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

Long partial LIST (with citation links) of what Obama has done: http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

Lists and graphs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=751914

We All Have a Choice in the 2012 Election
http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2011/09/03/we-all-have-a-choice-in-the-2012-election/

Short List of Progressive Achievements by The Obama Administration
http://shoqvalue.com/short-list-of-progressive-achievements-by-the-obama-administration

So That Ignorance Won't Be The Reason Why "Progressives" Are Throwing The President Under The Bus
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/so-that-ignorance-wont-be-reason-why.html

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far)
http://obamaachievements.org/list

Obama’s LGBT Chart LIST
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x777350

80 Reasons Why It’s Time To Take These Republican/Tea Party ‘Sons Of Bitches’ Down
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/06/80-reasons-why-its-time-to-take-these-republicantea-party-sons-of-bitches-down/

[zalinda]

34. Yeah, I've seen all the blue links

A lot of Third Way propaganda, nothing to help the 99%er's. All his rich buddies have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer. But keep posting those blue links, maybe someone who's desperate can find solace in them, while they are getting kicked out of their house, or standing in the food bank line. Or maybe the mother who lost her son in these wars that Obama said he was going to end, will feel better about losing her son. Ask all the medical marijuana users were they are going to get their pain relief from. Were Obama's Big Pharma buddies getting a little upset because people were cutting back on buying their pain meds?

Those crappy blue links are not going to make my $711 a month last any longer. They won't get my son a job, so we don't have to sell everything we own just to keep a roof over our heads. They aren't going to keep us warm this winter.

Yeah, keep posting those blue links, because apparently it makes YOU feel better.

zalinda

[ClarkUSA]

66. "the blue links" happen to be facts which you are dismissing in favor of empty vitriolic rhetoric

What's really "crappy" is how people believe Grayson's pretty words on a cable TV show are somehow more substantive than the real accomplishments of a singularly successful Democratic President.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

48. yes.

Grayson for 2016

Obama 2012

:)

no primary!

[jenmito]

16. Sorry, but he's running for Congress again. n/t

[Whisp]

17. LOL!!!

thanks for the falldown laugh.

:rofl:

[pnwmom]

19. The Rethugs are the only ones who need Grayson to challenge Obama.

They're the ones who will benefit if anyone primaries Obama. Undergoing a primary challenge has never helped an incumbent be stronger; it would only weaken Obama for the general.

[elocs]

23. As someone who cast his 1st presidential vote for McGovern in 1972

I now understand the difference between supporting a candidate for whom you are ideologically excited about and one who actually has a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. The point of having a nominee is having someone that actually has a chance of winning the election and not just a sacrificial lamb reflecting the fantasies of the left.

The victors get to govern. The far left looks at America and think the reflection they see is themselves while the far right has the same delusion. Each is a little right and likely more than a little wrong but cannot bring themselves to admit it.

Too many DUers live in an alternate universe where if they are exited about a person's stances as progressives that somehow automatically makes that person capable of winning a presidential election. It does not, not even remotely.

Grayson could not even hold his own House seat, and Dennis Kucinich, another who is constantly held up as being the ideal presidential candidate is probably incapable of winning even a statewide Senate seat in Ohio much less the presidency.

Don't we also need good progressives at all levels of government, in the House and Senate, as well as governorships and other state and local offices?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Well said.

If I get all excited by someone who expresses my views, like Grayson, I might lose sight of the practical realities of getting that person elected. Right now we need people like him at state and local levels as well as in Congress so as to build a solid base that will someday make it possible to get someone like him elected President. But a primary challenge and a possible divided convention will not help us at all in 2012.

[elocs]

30. Also, if people actually believe that Obama deceived them with promises from 2008 in the campaign,

then why wouldn't he just do the same thing again and promise whatever is needed to gain their support? So a primary challenge would not mean much and certainly would do nothing to unite the party at a time when Republicans seem intent on pulling their own party apart.

[zalinda]

35. He's already started

Haven't you heard all the 'angry' campaign speeches?

When he plays golf with Boehner, and yucks it up, who the hell do you think he is laughing at? Boehner or us?

He's having a great fucking time and has a great future a head of him. I don't believe for one minute that he gives a rat's ass about any one of us 99ers.

zalinda

[elocs]

47. So if you believe that, primarying will not make a bit of difference

but it would make you feel better.

Now all you need is to find someone who is willing to put themselves into debt and turn their lives upside down to tilt at windmills in order to please dissatisfied Democrats.

In the end Obama will still be the nominee.

[zalinda]

57. I'm not the one looking to primary him

but there are plenty who are, and his supporters just don't get it. Even with OWS, they just don't get it. Obama is as ineffective as a fart in a wind storm. This country needs someone who can do the job, Obama either can't or won't. Unless he actually DOES something that will affect the 99ers, you will wake up to a Republican President.

I have no idea where you live, or if you just can't see the hopelessness in people's eyes. OWS, as imperfect as it is, is taking the place of the Obama campaign of 2008. Don't expect they enthusiasm that was then, to sweep him into office. He hasn't even put in one percent of the effort, he said he was going to do in 2008. But, hey, according to Obama, we don't look to past, we only look to the future. Too bad he decided to go after the medical marijuana people rather than the war criminals. In HIS Democratic Party death beats quality life every time. That's not MY Democratic Party.

zalinda

[treestar]

50. [phone]

These posts show that people are lazily counting on the Presidency alone. That's why they are so obsessed with who is President. As if getting the position alone will lead to all left wing policies. They want that one office to have so much power, even Bush and Cheney would be ashamed.

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. Fortunately for us & the Democratic Party, Grayson is much smarter than you.

;)

[YellowCosmicSun]

37. That's not saying much.

[dionysus]

70. oh damn.

:rofl:

[rury]

26. Uhh...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


EOM!

[KaryninMiami]

27. Actually, we need Alan Grayson back in Congress-- As soon as possible

Losing his clear voice was a huge loss for us. How about everyone make a promise to either send Alan Grayson some money to support his campaign or volunteer some time for phone banking (for those of us not in his district) or working on the campaign for those of us who are nearby?

Change demands participation. Let's get Grayson back into Congress! http://congressmanwithguts.com/

[MadMaddie]

29. We need Grayson in the Senate raising hell

If we had a Grayson versus Reid....I would say things would be different. We need someone that has strong clear view of what he stands for.....with Reid....not so clear...

If we pack the House and Senate with people that will do the bidding of the people....we will get things done...

I don't want to rehash that we had a majority of Dems when President Obama took over because that is not true....any Dem known as a Blue Dog did not count as a Dem they were more Republican than Republicans....

I am talking about a true majority......

[YellowCosmicSun]

36. There will be no Primary challenge.

[Bloke 32]

38. No, you don't

Ghastly, positively ghastly!

[Exilednight]

39. I'd vote for him, because we see how well Obama is not being that spokesman. n/t

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[JoePhilly]

41. Stroke, stroke, stroke ... .ahhhhhh

And so ends today's "primary Obama" fantasy.

[msanthrope]

68. You forgot the "fap, fap, fap" sound, and the Kleenex. nt

[jefferson_dem]

42. You're a hoot.

Please don't ever change.

[CakeGrrl]

43. ...

:eyes:

(Counting down until these posts end)

[WonderGrunion]

44. Alan Grayson supports President Obama's re-election

You might as well support Sunshine Bear for a primary challenger. It's just as realistic.

[desertrat777]

45. Alan Grayson as VP with Obama?

This is another option, with Grayson running with Obama. Perhaps Grayson as VP would help move the Obama administration in a more progressive direction?

[treestar]

51. Why would that be?

That's just ridiculous.

[shellgame26]

46. zzzzzzzz........

[tweeternik]

53. Nah ... he'd then be reduced to a Kucinich-type character ....

AND he could never win. I'm just hoping he can win back the congressional seat in Florida. We need his voice in the House!

[polichick]

54. Maybe Grayson is more valuable outside Washington, inspiring voters...

...to hold officials accountable for our country's fucked-up priorities.

[opihimoimoi]

55. Grayson needed in the Senate.....not weakening the picture

[AtomicKitten]

59. Not likely to happen in the wake of losing his own Congressional seat.

It would be an exercise in futility and Grayson is smart enough to see that.

Others not so much, apparently.

[ProSense]

60. The funniest

part of this OP is assuming that Alan Grayson is more progressive simply because he's outspoken. The same fallacy existed when Anthony Weiner spoke out.

Speaking out as a member of Congress is not the same as being President. Speaking out as a candidate is not the same as being an elected official. When one has to cast votes, the issue is never cut and dry.

This is why Grayson supported and defends health care reform and Wall Street reform.

[Ter]

61. Romney would beat Grayson by 45 states

He could never win a national election, and he's mean.

[krawhitham]

62. He could not get elected dog catcher

The man could only get 38% in FL's 8th district

[philly_bob]

63. Wrong choice. Good ranter, sometimes funny, nice guy, but untested....

[Dj13Francis]

64. That'll never happen but

PLEASE JOIN THE GREENS ALAN!!! RUN AGAINST OBAMA AS A GREEN!!!!!!! I SO WANT TO VOTE FOR YOU!!!

Of course, many will say that will split the D's against themselves, leaving room for whoever is the R to prevail. Likely Romney. If Obama has an extremely attractive opponent on the progressive side, one which siphons off most of the progressives and many of the traditional D's, then the R candidate will clean up somewhat similar to how many (wrongly) blame Ralph Nader for what happened in 2000.

You know what?

Fuck that.

Go for it Alan.

[11 Bravo]

65. The 50th consecutive day with a "Primary Obama" post. How very fucking original.

[ClarkUSA]

67. WTF are "We"? The small minority of Democrats who disapprove of President Obama's job performance?

Count me out. Count the vast majority of Democrats out, too.

It's hilarious how Grayson's pretty words on a cable TV show has you and others convinced he's qualified to be President. :rofl:

[dionysus]

69. lol n/t

[Phx_Dem]

72. ROFLMAO!! Thanks for the laugh.

[Inuca]

73. Ridiculous does not begin to describe it n/t

[Mr Gerrity]

74. Grayson is not even going to win his Primary.

People that don't live in his district don't understand how this guy won his seat. He ran as a centrist Democrat in a Republican leaning district. Don't believe me, here are his ads from both elections and you can see his 2008 persona is much more middle of the road.

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/rep_bios.php?rep_id=95776245&category=speeches&id=20100910164347

He will be running against a very popular and impressive African American woman that was the Orlando Police Chief (and is married to the county sheriff) http://www.valdemings.com/

it's my opinion that she is going to easily beat Grayson in the primary.