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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:40 PM
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I'm following the president's orders: "You'll have to hold my feet to the fire" --Barack Obama, 2008
If Occupy Wall Street isn't doing EXACTLY what the president told us to do when he ran around saying "Be the Change" three years ago then I don't understand participatory democracy.

I've got a job, lucky for me, so I can't break away to protest. But I'm tired of hearing from my fellow employed Americans that the protesters don't have a point. First off, they're protesters, not policy makers. They don't have to have an agenda. They're protesting the results of bad policy; they're protesting unacceptable conditions and un-shared sacrifices forced onto the economy by looting plutocrats.

Second off, they have an agenda. Repeating that they don't is a nice way of telling me you didn't do your homework.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:41 PM
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1. it's yes WE can, not yes HE can.
Nt
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:43 PM
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2. The problem is people forget that "whining" is not the same thing as "activism."
Having a temper tantrum on an internet message board is not somehow inherently noble or productive. If people want to get something done, well, there's hundreds of Democrats that need electing to the House and Senate so that we can get this show back on the road.
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boxman15 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:46 PM
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3. ^This
Let's be productive, not just whine.
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:53 PM
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4. You could be describing your own post
Ironic, that
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:04 PM
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9. Seeing as how I've busted my ass on dozens of campaigns over the last few years...
...including writing the platform for two State Senate candidates, working full time 5 1/2 months at no wages for one of those candidates, being part of the netroots support team for a US Senator, canvassing upwards of 20 square miles of territory last year, and having donated ~15% of my 2008 income to Democratic candidates, I'm going to have to step back and laugh at your reflexive snappiness and lack of real information.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:54 PM
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5. Thank You!
:applause:
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:56 PM
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6. I'm not sure that helping to elect Democrats is the best use of my time.
Progressive Democrats maybe, but I tend to think my time is better spent outside of electoral politics, writing, doing community service, spending time with my daughter, etc.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:59 PM
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7. You're welcome to do that.
But then you also forfeit your ability to complain that elected officials aren't best representing you.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:04 PM
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8. Exactly. He's at the mercy of Wall St. until we stop that. nt
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