"Would you like the Democratic Party to nominate Barack Obama again in 2012"

[ProSense]

NBC/WSJ poll, October (PDF)




A resounding: Yes!

Obama 2012

[Cigar11]

1. Absolutely and without question;

and I’m bring at least 10 new voters will do the same.

[liberal N proud]

2. The non-stop wall; to wall media/GOP circus has people tired of their side show

The GOP has made America sick of hearing about the whole lot of them.

[truebrit71]

15. Ah yes, the old "Who else you gonna vote for" line....so.....inspiring....

:sarcasm:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

3. Those numbers don't sound so good

for people trying to pump up a (thus far) mythical "challenger". Hardly sounds like President Obama (and the rest of us) are doomed. Now, if the Blue Dogs would stop acting like cowards and running away from President Obama and start running hard against the Republicans..............

[Bluenorthwest]

4. So Clinton was about the same, but slightly less welcome than

Obama. Recently I was told that Clinton got a pass and no one criticized him at all. Those numbers seem close, and in Obama's favor compared to Bill. That does not really support the recent theory that Bill was treated more kindly than Barack, now does it?

[ProSense]

6. Actually,

"Recently I was told that Clinton got a pass and no one criticized him at all."

...whoever told you that was wrong. There was a debate about a current double standard related to current, not past criticism.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. And yet Obama is stronger now than Clinton was then

Which undermines the theory of harsher criticism of Obama, he's out ahead of where Bill was. The comparison to Clinton was the heart of that theory. It was the incorrect part of the theory, it was what many took issue with. I personally had no problems with 'some white liberal racists' because there are tons of white liberal bigots of all kinds. But the idea that Bill did not get criticized by liberal whites was insane and delusional. As these numbers show, Obama is better liked and more trusted going into the cycle than Clinton was.
To pretend at this point that comparison to Clinton was not at the heart of that theory is cake and eat it too time. And here is the actual comparison, showing Obama out ahead of Clinton. Who is more popular? Barack Obama. So gee, maybe being more criticized leads to more popularity?

[ProSense]

10. Not only was the claim wrong

"Which undermines the theory of harsher criticism of Obama, he's out ahead of where Bill was."

...but the extrapolation doesn't make sense. It's likely Obama is doing better among some groups, but he is clearly behind Clinton among whites, which is also an extrapolation that doesn't take into account the narrow focus of the debate: those employing a double standard.

[Denzil_DC]

11. "So gee, maybe being more criticized leads to more popularity?"

I don't quite follow your logic. Without criticism, he could be at 100%!



/snark

[WI_DEM]

5. I can't open the link where I am, what percentage said yes?

and I'm saying yes for myself too.

[ProSense]

7. All Democrats - 73 percent; primary voters - 78 percent. In other words

really good news for Democrats and those who want the President to run and win.

[WI_DEM]

8. Yes, that is actually better than Clinton had in 1996 and he didn't get any opposition.

[polichick]

12. Sort of late to do anything else - got to get out the vote now...

...especially since the GOP is suppressing the vote big time.

[JTFrog]

13. K&R

Fired Up!

[slay]

14. No - he's a republican when judged by his actions

and i don't want a republican.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. So we count you with the 20%, right? You do know that 78% is greater than 20%, right?

:rofl:

[totodeinhere]

44. There is nothing wrong with being a part of a principled minority. How many times in our history

has a minority opinion later been vindicated? It happens all the time.

[Vidar]

18. Even though you stole my line, I can't help but be in fervent agreement

with one of such obvious intelligence.

[woo me with science]

20. What a pathetic spot we are in.

The corporate neocon party versus the other corporate neocon party.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

21. I take it you are one of the judges of who are part of the pure and true democratic party? n/t

[woo me with science]

22. LOL. And I take it you support any set of policies as long as there is a (D) after the name?

:eyes:

The ACLU on Obama and Core Liberties
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2069714&mesg_id=2069714

A Push for Republican Policies in Every Major Area
http://www.obamatheconservative.com/

Obama and the Hamiltonian Democrats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1540315

Obama the Candidate versus Obama the President
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x31514

[Bodhi BloodWave]

25. Considering i live in norway the answer to that would be in the negative :) nt

[woo me with science]

26. Then why on earth are you defending this crap to us?

Or do you just like schadenfreude? :rofl:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

31. likely cause i strongly disagree with your label of the democratic party

and since you mentioned schadenfreude, a link to one of my fav songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9B-ZoS0wvU

[woo me with science]

32. The Democratic Party in the US desperately needs saving

from the corporate forces that have infiltrated it. Unfortunately, the record of this administration over the past three years does not support your beliefs about the party.

That is a big part of what OWS is all about. Why do you think people are in the streets in the USA? Because they do not see help coming from the ballot box anymore. We have a DEMOCRATIC President presiding over what has turned out to be essentially an extension of the Bush administration, policy-wise. Our choices are the corporate neocon party versus the other corporate neocon party.

He has been busy since Day One offering up our desperately needed social programs, spreading war into new countries, entrenching corporations into healthcare and education, backing pipelines through our environment, destroying our civil liberties, and pressuring attorneys general across the United States NOT to criminally prosecute the corrupt bankers who brought our economy down.

Wishful thinking about what the party is supposed to be is not going to save us. We have to look at what it IS, and what it is doing.

The Democratic Party is worth saving. Some "Democrats" are not.

(nice song, btw...thanks)


The ACLU on Obama and Core Liberties
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2069714&mesg_id=2069714

A Push for Republican Policies in Every Major Area
http://www.obamatheconservative.com/

Obama and the Hamiltonian Democrats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1540315

Obama the Candidate versus Obama the President
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x31514

SOCOM. Bush- 60 countries. Obama 120 countries by end of 2011
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2118912&mesg_id=2122224

OBAMA AGREES WITH PANETTA, ENDORSES MEDICARE ‘ADJUSTMENTS’ OVER DEFENSE CUTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1692899

Panetta Starts Singing Contractors’ Tune After Closed-Door Meeting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1964568

A Top Senate Dem Says Iran Plot May Be Act Of War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5024359

Some analysts skeptical of alleged Iranian plot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2108733

Mercenary forces to double in Iraq after 2011
http://waronyou.com/topics/u-s-to-double-mercenary-forces-in-iraq-after-2011-military-pullout

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Saving? Trust me, it won't be by the 20%. Bet on it!

You may start your own thing, which has been suggested by "Anonymous", but there are many more of us whose loyalty to the Democratic Party will resist any attempt at infiltration by the elements in 2000 who attempted to destroy us. People came back to their senses in 2006, and I don't think you'll find much appetite to repeat the 2000 circus. Greens, Independent Socalists, and whatever else, need to do the hard work & build their own infrastructure, and stop trying to infiltrate ours.

Use the GOP's infrastructure to affect the change you want, and good luck with that. :hi:

[woo me with science]

34. "Use the GOP's infrastructure to affect the change you want, and good luck with that."

What's your point, Tarheel Dem? Care to make it explicit?

Also, care to address any of the links I posted? Care to talk about WHY you support these abominable policies?

The Democratic Party has been infiltrated, all right, by corporate fellators and neocons. It is no accident that all the appeals for loyalty from the apologists are based on brand name rather than what is inside the box. That's usually the way advertisements go for a corporate product.

Here is the new home page: www.thirdway.org

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. I wouldn't click on one of your links for all the tea in China.

I think I was more than explicit. If you're one of the "dissatisfied" or "disillusioned", you should take the advice of Anonymous and do your own thing. The Democratic Party has loyalists, like myself, who will resist any attempt by the 20% who are hellbent on destroying our infrastructure. I don't think I can be much more plain, nay "explicit", than that.

78%

No matter how you slice it, is still greater than 20. It's simple math, really. :shrug:

[woo me with science]

38. Of course you wouldn't.

That would require facing the facts about what is inside this pretty corporate packaging.

Thank goodness for the 99 percent.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. I applaud the 99%. They should do what they feel they need to.

Which is why I scoffed at a post asking why the president hasn't gone down and addressed them personally. If that were to happen, it should be at the invitation of the organizers, and all candidates seeking the office in 2012, should get the same invite.

I maintain that the 99%, while attractive to many of us, should reject party labels/endorsements. The quickest way for them to be marginalized, like the Tea Party, is to get caught up in party politics. I admire their rejection of that, but they should keep their Ron Paul signs out of sight. ;)

[dionysus]

49. there's something here that's pathetic.

[treestar]

23. Try finding a real Republican and listening to them for five minutes

:wtf:

[dionysus]

48. put the lighter down, and slowly walk away from the bong. i think you're smoking seeds...

:rofl:

[Number23]

17. K&R

[michreject]

19. He's a sitting President who is eligible for re election.

It should be his decision.

[Safetykitten]

24. No.

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. Awww. There. There. Too bad. You're in the 20%.

:cry:

78%

to 20%


:rofl:

[CakeGrrl]

28. So hopefully you're doing more than sitting here lobbing negative cyberbombs.

Are you doing your progressive activist duty?

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. I wouldn't count on it. Afterall, keyboard commando-ism is much less taxing.

;)

[lunatica]

29. Count me as one who says hell yes.

There's a reason why no one is challenging him.

[JNelson6563]

35. Put me down for a "yes".

[Hutzpa]

37. And yet there are jesters on this site

that keeps making the case to primary Obama.

His numbers are much much higher than Bill Clinton.

[Capn Sunshine]

39. whatever you do, don't refer to them as GOP agitators

apparently that's not something we're supposed to talk about.

[Bobbie Jo]

41. Especially...

If they're "donating members." It gives pay to play a whole new meaning.

Believe it....

Of course we know the GOP doesn't fund this sort of thing. :sarcasm:

[totodeinhere]

45. If the GOP is paying people to donate to DU so they can agitate and appear to be legitimate,

the DU admins are probably laughing all the way to the bank with their money. And that makes up for others who don't donate.

[Bobbie Jo]

46. My star expired today...

Up to this point, I've been I donating member since 2006.

I'm rethinking my next donation.

[TheKentuckian]

40. it is Clinton's policies and capitulation to the greed of corporate America that continue

that is problematic, not his support among among Democrats for re-election.

The numbers problem is that their is no Ross Perot to take enough votes from the Republicans and Independents for it to work.

[Beacool]

42. False analogy.

How can anyone even think of comparing Clinton's economy with Obama's??????????

:crazy:

Having said that, no one creditable is going to primary him. The Democrats will either sink or swim with Obama.

:shrug:

[Capn Sunshine]

43. and hopefully we'll see less of the posters that want Obama to sink.

after November.

[Skip Intro]

47. Would depend on who that "someone else" is.

[MjolnirTime]

50. No, it really wouldn't. Obama's our candidate.