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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:11 AM Original message |
Obama: MLK would not want us to vilify all who work on Wall Street |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. Backing Wall St? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. That's probably true. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. Thanks for |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. thanks for putting random parts of my post in boldface |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Oh |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Let me be the second. Obama put words in MLK's mouth that aren't supported by history. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
63. He didn't put ANY words in his mouth |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
8. Recced up to zero. |
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AngkorWot (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. unrecced back down to zero |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Welcome to DU. Your concern is noted. |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
9. right..does that include the workers who are putting people out of their houses? |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
11. I don't think anyone is vilifying ALL who work on Wall Street |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Well |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Which is why Obama's comment is a straw man, as the OP points out. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Actually |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Exactly - NOBODY is vilifying everyone on Wall Street. |
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PragmaticLiberal (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Maybe YOU don't villify everyone on Wall Street but there are many DUers who do. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
94. This is about hating rich people or hating WS workers. I see plenty of RWr's on Facebook |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Stop pretending like you speak for the entire movement. You do not, nor will you ever. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
171. What an irrational response to what I posted. fyi, I did not vote for Nader... |
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MjolnirTime (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
14. So, you don't doubt the truth of the statement. You just don't like it when Obama says it? |
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AngkorWot (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. He didn't even say it. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I read the OP as pointing out that Obama's statement is a straw man. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. straw man |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. Actually, I have nothing against the janitors that clean buildings on Wall Street |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Well said. n/t |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
73. Yes that's what I was going to say! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
24. Asking who MLK would want to villify's kind of like asking who Ghandi'd want to beat up, no? (nt) |
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PragmaticLiberal (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Exactly. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. That's it. A point some here want to obscure. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
87. He didn't mention OWS in his speech |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
25. MLK would have been walking right along with the ows protestors |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
27. What a shamefully opportunistic thing to say. N/T |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I wouldn't go THAT hard on the prez - he's just being a politician. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
31. Really? He calls on MLK? Really? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Yea, why in the hell would he call on MLK in a SPEECH ABOUT MLK??? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
136. Why in hell would you write this? |
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Anatos (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
32. As so often happens... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
35. I like how many pretend they aren't guilty of sweeping generalizations against financial workers. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. maybe you're missing the point |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Thats a very regressive way to look at things. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. it's a matter of interests |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. If you have any faith in the movement, you shouldn't be worried about such things. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. the right-wing DOES try to co-opt the Civil Rights Movement |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Trying doesn't mean shit. They've never successfully co-opted it and they never will. |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
186. +1 Well said! |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
36. Using King to rationalize Wall St. corruption? Awful. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Your strawman argument is ridiculous but entirely expected. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
37. Obama lives in a different universe than MLK nt |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yea, the universe of the living. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
130. But, some could say the "Universe of the Privileged" also.. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
43. Dr. King's sister and children, Kerry Kennedy, John Lewis |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I didn't have a big problem with it |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I know what he said. I was there when he said it. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I have a problem with what Obama said. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Did you listen to the entire speech? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I read the entire official transcript. I don't agree with a lot of it. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Fine. You have a right to your opinion |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. The fact that an anonymous poster on a political bulletin board claims |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. You have every right to post whatever you like where you choose |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I would hope that people you know have more credibility to you than an anonymous poster. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Hmmm? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I know what he said. I read the entire official transcript. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. It is your opinion that I am misrepresenting. It is my opinion that I am not. /nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
45. We shouldn't "begrudge them their wealth." |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. it's the American Dream |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
56. How typically DU to take a speech that was received as a positive and distort it to turn it into a |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
60. The full quote of what he said here. (anyone offended by what he said must be nuts) |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. You're right. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. That's your opinion. I don't agree with Obama's premise. I'm not offended. Just disagree. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. What exactly do you disagree with? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I've expressed my opinion in several places on this thread. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
149. I missed the speech but after reading the context... |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
169. Thanks for the context. That statement is very mild and is one sentence out of many |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
175. Reminds me of the CBC speech that was disparaged. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
62. Here's that sentence in context: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. as someone pointed out above, he's a politician |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I'm shaken by the hatred expressed in this thread. The personal attacks are over the top. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. The OP cherrypicked a phrase in order to demonize President Obama. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. And you're cherrypicking one phrase from a quote which also defends unions against vilification too. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. take any of my criticisms of Obama, and apply it to either Clinton |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I also defended Wesley Clark |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Your OP is a cherrypicked paraphrase that distorts Pres. Obama's healing MLK speech into ugliness. |
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Anatos (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
187. Obamaphobia |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Great post! |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
75. This is pointless |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
77. Your cherrypicking demonization is a FAIL.-->Obama: MLK would not want businessmen to vilify unions. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. yes, it's much more interesting in context |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. I missed that part, too. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. That's a false statement. Keep digging. |
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MjolnirTime (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
81. Do you think everyone who works on Wall Street is a crook? Some do. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. yeah, and there was a guy there with a sign blaming the Jews |
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MjolnirTime (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
107. So you agree with the Teabaggers who claim that the ObamaNazi guy isn't one of them? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. What's "a good number?" 1 million? 1 thousand? 100? |
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MjolnirTime (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. How about people right here at DU? People who claim to be representative of OWS. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. You didn't answer my question. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
164. Did the segregationists not have law on their side too? Did their adherence to the law exempt... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. OP is a cherrypicked paraphase designed to excite disgust at Pres. Obama. What O said in context-> |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I read the context before writing my response |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Then you could care less about MLK's message also. Gotcha. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. LOL |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. MLK is a better man than I am |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. President Obama wasn't doing that or saying that. You're missing his message completely. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. No, he was using a logically fallacious argument to prove |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. You're taking his thoughtful, wise words & making a strawman argument. Nowhere did he cast blame. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. No Clark, it's a strawman |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. That's a false narrative you're pushing. Quote exactly what Pres. O said that outrages you so much. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Right here |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. You are missing his points completely.He was defending protesters' right to challenge Wall Street... |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. He used a logical fallacy to do it. Look, I can do it too |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. No, you're using a strawman fallacy to distort his wise words that caution against demonization. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. No one is demonizing. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. President Obama said no one should do so, just because they disagree with protesters or businessmen. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
132. This is about OWS, not some Republican you read somewhere |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. This is not about OWS. It is about President Obama's full context which didn't mention OWS... |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #138 |
144. Let me get this straight. You think |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #144 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #144 |
167. Pres. Obama spoke in allegory. His other references, which you're ignoring, are similarly framed. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. He didn't even MENTION OWS! |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
126. Oh really? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #110 |
143. NEITHER DID THE OP!! |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I can imagine how much you must hate listening to Dr. King's speeches |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. I could believe in hope if we had someone to place that hope in |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Then maybe you should seek out a civil rights leader to put your hopes in . . . |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. Maybe I should go to church and not bother voting. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
114. Strong K&R. And what strikes me most about the responses |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Oy vay. Your conclusion reminds me of how sailors would see a manatee and swear it was a mermaid. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. +100000 |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. Well said. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Really? |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Yes, really |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. And |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. self delete... double post... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #128 |
135. Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collective bargain? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. ? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. Hmmm? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. That's a yes. So do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Well?... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Actually, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Deleted message |
LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. Are you for real? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. More |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #145 |
152. You're right on one point, by the way. It's a strawman, a false equivalency and it doesn't even... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. That's |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. That's |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. Really?? You want us to believe that the Prez's statement actually SUPPORTS THE PROTESTERS?? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #114 |
157. Good points. |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
125. Damn just Damn! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. You got all that from a cherrypicked paraphrase that conveniently ignores full context? Damn. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
150. True to form, President Obama tip-toes expertly down the middle, |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #150 |
158. Rev 3:16 - So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #158 |
172. That might apply to Roast Beef Sandwiches, |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #172 |
182. I agree, which was my point. No lukewarm. Jesus didn't like it either. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #150 |
174. How does giving credence to a RW lie about the protesters "tip-toe down the middle??" |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
153. Huge Unrec |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
159. Unrec. You should have posted the FULL quote. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collectively bargain? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. YES. See Citizens United, Americans for Progress and Citizens for a Sound economy. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. Do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who works on Wall Street? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Heck no. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Then the President's statement is a false equivalency. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #160 |
179. Look at what the Obama administration does with teachers' unions. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
162. I really have a hard time imagining MLK speaking up on behalf of the persecuted of Wall Street |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. I don't. I'm sure there are minimum wage workers on Wall Street who need a defender, just like... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. I don't think that the janitors on wall street are the ones Obama is talking about. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
170. Link to the ENTIRE speech by Pres. O in full context, not the OP's cherrypicked paraphrase. --> |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
173. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
176. i have nothing against secretaries and janitors who work there. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
178. I'm going Godwin on this one. That's like challenging the injustice of the Nazi regime... |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. No, it's not. Not even close. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #180 |
181. What would those who have lost family members on the altar of Wall Street's greed have to say? |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #181 |
189. Wow. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
183. "Banksters" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
184. "Also, he'd be WAAAY into outsourcing. You know, statues, etc..." nt |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
185. the actual speech is good |
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boxman15 (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
190. If you think that was a pro-Wall Street statement, you're mistaken. |
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