If the Tea Party is RACIST...how the Heck to we 'Splain THIS?

[KoKo]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2129471&mesg_id=2129471

[elleng]

1. It is not 'A' Party.

[KoKo]

5. elleng...the "MSM" seems to feel it's a party and we here on DU certainly seem "afeered of them."

Just saying.....what I read here and I've been here a looooong time.

[elleng]

20. Gotcha, but imo its time for 'we here' to examine 'old' notions

and help the developing world-wide movement against status quo AND old notions. May have to drag MSM along w us.

[lame54]

62. but there is always an R next to their names - not a T

[Exultant Democracy]

2. Are you familiar with what Hermain Cain has been saying, he is a real life Uncle Ruckus

[KoKo]

3. Some folks on the Left who are admired seemed to say...Obama is Black and the Tea Party hates him

because of the "color of his skin."

So...how do we explain this? :shrug:

[Skittles]

4. just shows how seriously fucked up is the competition

:rofl:

[LonePirate]

6. Defensive overcompensation perhaps? He's also just plain nuts so that could explain it.

[KoKo]

8. Agree but his skin color is black and some high level folks said...Obama was being villified

because of the "color of his skin."

How does one figure that Herman Cain is black and Tea Party Loves him? The Koch Brothers put their finger on their voting machines? (most hard core right States still use "Computer Voting" so their finger is their vote.

What do you all think? Black guy Tea Partier racist seems to gain approval from Christian Fundie Racist States.

Strange.

[CakeGrrl]

10. Don't use support for Cain to negate actual bias against President Obama.

It's dishonest and it relies on generalizations.

I think every thinking person understands that NO political group is 100% homogeneous.

There are racists and non-racists across EVERY political demographic.

The distribution is, in my opinion, skewed (in other words, I happen to believe more racists are Republicans than Democrats), but anyone who thinks every single person who identifies with a group shares a common characteristic isn't being logical.

[hlthe2b]

9. Because (paradoxically) Cain makes their racism "acceptable"

He provides enough excuses for them--on a silver platter to allow them to deny that their race-based hatred and bigotry is just that. It couldn't be, after all, because Cain is black and Cain says "racism doesn't occur"; Cain is black and he says that the only reason other African Americans are not rich like him, is because they are "lazy" and didn't "apply themselves." Cain says every single damned thing that they say among themselves (when no one who might be appalled is listening)--thereby excusing their blatant bigotry.

So, however antithetical as it might seem, he is now "one of them," because, like them, he seems to exude antipathy for other African Americans. He cares only about the wealthy class. He is in outright denial about the plight of others within his own race or he just doesn't give a damn. He's got his, after all.

It is the Clarence Thomas phenomenon, all over again.

[polichick]

17. Very good points - I agree with your take.

[KoKo]

25. Good Points and Agree...but they are cleverly going after a Dem Talking Point that

the TeaParty is racist and hates Obama for his Skin Color. Clarence Thomas and a few others are examples of how this works.

good post, Thanks.

[Number23]

45. It's only clever to really, really stupid people.

[Karenina]

58. Indeed!

[treestar]

37. He says what they say about black people

Exactly. That lets them feel OK about their racism.

[Ikonoklast]

38. You got it. Cain validates their racism.

"See? Cain is a Black guy and he hates those people, too!"

Cain would be a Capo at the camps, in another Universe.

[loyalsister]

46. Herman Cain has worked to escape associations with other African Americans

Obama sought those relationships in a sort of self exploration. He values and maintains them.

[Sheepshank]

51. Not for one second do I think there was a tectonic shift in racism when Cain came on board

When it comes time to pulling that level, many will hesitate, because seriously for now, it's about proving to everyone that when a black man villifies black people that is someone they can get behind...for a while.

[hlthe2b]

55. I too suspect their "support" is of the opportunistic type.....

and thus very limited. When push comes to shove they won't vote for him, but they sure as hell will use him to provide cover for their overt racism. Yet, they'll be quite happy to have him around spewing against other African Americans as a pundit.

[Arkana]

22. Then explain the countless racist signs that show up at their events.

Explain the horrible emails that Republican officials think are "funny".

Explain the birth certificate "controversy".

They are fucking RACISTS no matter how many times they cast votes for Herman Cain.

[KoKo]

26. Good Tactics by RW "Think Tanks" ......if you think about it.

[Exultant Democracy]

47. look up Uncle Rukus it explains it all very well and it is very simple. Cain says the racist shit th

dream of getting a chance to say, and once he says it they can say see see Cain said it and he is black so it is totally acceptable.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. The Tea Party is an astroturf creation of the Koch Brothers and Dick Armey.

They are backing Cain for now because they don't like Perry - they know he's a lightweight who has little chance of winning a national election -- and they also know the rank and file 'baggers don't like Romney because he's a Mormon. The Kochs will eventually back Romney, an Establishment money guy, because they also know the wingnuts won't vote for a black man. The question is still whether the winguts dislike black people more than they dislike Mormons.

[Andy823]

11. BINGO!

I totally agree with what you posted. Cain won't be the nominee, and polls that show him on top only means the tea party hates Mormons more than Cain, for now that is. Once Perry drops out, it will be obvious who the right wing money wants, and Cain's numbers will drop, Romney will win, and Obama will win in 2012!

[elfin]

12. Crazy trumps color eom

[polichick]

14. HA! Great answer.

[Phx_Dem]

13. Apparently, they're stupid as well.

[Tunkamerica]

15. Cynicism?

[JBoy]

16. The townfolk of Rock Ridge need a new sheriff. Give them time.

[Politicalboi]

18. They only like Cain because

He knows his place. He's not "uppity". And it makes them "appear" not racist.

[Yavin4]

19. Um...It's A Straw Poll. It's Meaningless

It's non-binding and has no merit.

[Arkana]

21. One straw poll where the black guy who acts like a rich conservative white guy wins

does not make them not racist, hope that helps.

[OneGrassRoot]

23. Caution if you want to read a disgusting answer...

"He's our boy."

That's what I was told.

That's it in a nutshell and that's how racists see it. They need someone to deflect from the racist meme, and Cain is their man.

Correction, their boy, as they see it. He's nothing but a pawn for not only the Koch Brothers, but for racists across this country who vote.

And he knows it, imho.

[KoKo]

27. Yeah but it works both ways. Obama is "Our Candidate"...so they use the Oppo Stuff

to work against our trump card.

[OneGrassRoot]

29. I don't think anyone on the left sees Obama as a slave...

But I suppose from a racist's perspective, they assume everyone else views the world the same way and thus they'd see Obama as such for the left.

I mean, they literally see Cain as their "boy"...their slave, to do their bidding, very specifically because of his color. Not in the sense of citizen/politician-employer/employee at all.

Hard to wrap my brain around that thinking...

[JTFrog]

35. You are trying way too hard here.

You should probably stop while you're behind.

:shrug:

[jenmito]

24. Because THEY hate Black people and so does HE. At least he says things about them that the

teabaggers are thinking.

[KoKo]

28. So you think they vote for him because they and he hate black people?

Dig Deeper...see posts above.

[jenmito]

30. No-because HE says what THEY'RE thinking, and it gives them someone to point to who's

Black who will say what they want him to say. And they can claim they're not racists since they're for him. I don't need to read other posts to tell me how I feel.

[FrenchieCat]

32. If you had to ask,

then the person not thinking enough is not the person you are addressing.

Cain is a White man trapped in a Black man's body. The fact that he stated that his own race is 95% Brainwashed and lazy, makes it easy to understand that Cain isn't proud of his own race....and the Tea Party folks love that kind of shit; who better than to deflect documented evidence of racism among their rank, than a self loathing Black Man? He loathes Black folks as much as they do.

However, if by some fluke he became President because Republicans voted for him in order to "prove" they weren't racists (when most sure in the hell are), I'll tell you that if he didn't do exactly as they dictated at all times, they'd be all over is ass like white on rice 24/7 till he was ran out of town.

The parallel would be this guy--


This skit is about a blind black man who thinks he is white. He is also one of the leading members of the Klu Klux Klan. The reporter tries to tell him that he is really white and the black man doesn't believe him. The whole video is him going off on how black people and all other races are bad, hitting every stereotype in the book.
http://natecirillo.blogspot.com/2009/10/blindblackwhite-supremacist.html

[jenmito]

33. Thank you...

great post. And I saw that skit by Dave Chappelle when it originally aired. I'll never forget it. It was SO funny but relates to this thread topic PERFECTLY. :hi:

[CoffinEd]

39. Sorta like what some corporations used to do

That is, place people of color in positions that would require them to defend the company against charges of workplace discrimination brought by other people of color.

Returning to Herb, a young poet name Henry Dumas once wrote:

"One of the greatest roles ever created by western man has been the role of the 'Negro.' One of the greatest actors to play the role is the 'n*gger.'"

Am I saying that Cain is deserving of being called the "N" word? Surely not. Never cared much for the word but understand where Dumas is coming from.

Am I saying that Cain consciously will and has belittled his own people (and other people of color and Muslims) to put racist teabaggers at ease as a means to an end (winning the nomination). Yes, absolutely.

[Major Hogwash]

65. OH MUH GAWD!!!! That is hilarious.

My brother and I were talking about Cain being that character of Chappelle's last week!!

And the character Clayton Bigsby got divorced.
Why?
Because after they tell him that he is really black, he says his wife is "a nigger lover"!!!
And so he divorces her!

:rofl:

[JoePhilly]

31. They accept him as "one of the good ones'.

Like they did with Colin Powell, until Powell said he thought Obama would be a better President.

Then ... Powell became DEAD to the GOP.

[jwirr]

34. I personally think they are using him because they are not satisfied

with any of the other candidates. These are only straw polls. They are hoping they can force someone else who they really want to run before the primaries by voting for him.

[Onlooker]

36. They're fascists first, racists second. n/t

[onpatrol98]

40. I think he is genuinely liked by some republicans

But not by enough to get him elected...if he has the audacity to get too popular, they'll knock him down a peg or two.Besides, the only thing corporations really want from either party is a figure head that can make a lot of noise, but be reasonably controllable. I think corporate money is so powerful these days, they could run Fluffy the cat as president and almost win. They're just gracious enough to still let us vote.

[Tarheel_Dem]

41. Are you black? If so, you know that whites have always played us against each other.

Like Uncle Ruckus, Cain is one of the "good" negroes. I advise you to look up some old episodes of The Boondocks. Some of us were let inside the house, while others were restricted to the fields. Herman's been let "into the house", and that absolves Master of any "appearance" of bias. Is that your point? ;)

[GoCubsGo]

50. Uncle Ruckus...

Perfect!

[dionysus]

52. i always question when people do bizarre stretches to defend teabaggers...

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. Well you saw it here first. The "teabagger defense" just to take a swipe at Obama?

It's amazing the lengths some will go to in order to discredit the man. I can't believe a "real progressive" is making this ridiculous argument. ;)

[iamthebandfanman]

42. yes, deciding on him because they have no one

else makes them totally not racist.


see, they have a black friend. :P

[ClarkUSA]

43. If the Republican Party is RACIST... how the Heck do we 'Splain MICHAEL STEELE?

See Reply 41:

"Like Uncle Ruckus, Cain is one of the "good" negroes. I advise you to look up some old episodes of The Boondocks. Some of us were let inside the house, while others were restricted to the fields. Herman's been let "into the house", and that absolves Master of any "appearance" of bias."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=798995&mesg_id=799189

Then top it off with Reply 42:

yes, deciding on him because they have no one else makes them totally not racist.

see, they have a black friend.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=798995&mesg_id=799190

[NYC_SKP]

44. It's quite simple. Black man, "Cain", provides an out for white racists, says there is no racism...

...says that blacks are more racist than whites (he actually said that).

So, baggers are willing to look past his skin color in order to embrace the fact that Cain gives them leave to be the racist haters that they are.

That's about it, right there.

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

48. They love Clarence Thomas too!

[baldguy]

49. So? They like Clarence Thomas too.

Tokens have always been tolerated.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Cain

Cain is scoring points with the Tea Baggers by attacking other African Americans as shiftless and mindless thus giving succor to them and their prejudices. A white candidate could never get away with the racial stereotyping Cain gets away with.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

56. Easy, Talk about every single bigoted statement and action they've taken before

this clown got in the game. Oh and there's no such thing as the "Tea Party".

[Lyric]

57. Because he validates their racism.

He says the same things that THEY do. He's the "black friend" who feels the same contempt for Black culture and community that the Baggers feel. He shares their blind spots and their bigotries, and he kowtows to their ideological narrative. He's utterly non-threatening because, in their minds, he "knows his place".

However, their current political support for him does not negate their inherent racism. They might vote for him, but ask yourself this--do you really think that they'd still approve of him if he tried to marry one of their little debutante daughters? Do you think the white folks down in Klan Junction, Alabama would be happy to let him swim in their backyard pools and hang out in their living rooms? It's easy to support the man politically because he doesn't say or do anything that threatens their white privilege and there's a political advantage to it--they can use him as an excuse to say that they aren't racist. But if that distance were removed and they had to deal with him on a more intimate level, I think we'd see an entirely different reaction.

[stevenleser]

59. Correlation: NeoNazi's hire Jewish lawyers to represent them, Klansmen hire African American lawyers

it doesn't mean they suddenly aren't racists or bigots.

[uponit7771]

61. GREAT POINT, short and sweet

[uponit7771]

60. What Herman Cain is sayin is racist, it doesn't matter that's its against his own race. Ask LAPD...

...chief (former) if Cain can get away with saying those things about blacks in a discrimination suite

[and-justice-for-all]

63. Straw Polls are all show and do not mean shit...nt

[Jack Rabbit]

64. IOKIYAR

That includes being black.