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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:35 PM
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Poll question: Was The Summary Execution Of Muammar Gaddafi Justified?
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:37 PM
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1. No, it is never justified, but sometimes inevitable.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:38 PM
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3. Never
I oppose the death penalty and vigilante justice but sometimes there is a difference between vigilante justice and spontaneous moral outrage.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:05 PM
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30. Conceptualize it anyway you care to
the result is unsurprising. The rebels, from all description were by no means a "well regulated militia". Many I am sure had lost friends in the fight. That they may have taken an opportunity to even the score is entirely predictable. It would have been far more surprising to me if he had survived capture.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:37 PM
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2. No, a strongly worded message would have been sufficient.
:sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:39 PM
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4. Someone
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 05:39 PM by ProSense
"Summary Execution"

...needs to take certain phrases away from some people. Here a term is being applied to an ongoing conflict between two armed forces, the result of a revolution.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:41 PM
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7. Right, premise of question/poll flawed.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:05 PM
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14. +1, well said. n/t
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ChandlerJr Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:39 PM
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5. If only real life could be reduced to a yes or no poll
things would be so much simpler.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:40 PM
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6. I don't think I could say it was or it wasn't.
On one hand, I would have much rather have seen him captured and handed over to international authorities, to be held for trial in either the Hague or in Libya itself.

On the other hand, Ghaddafi was killed by the same environment he helped to created. He was treated exactly as he taught his people to treat enemies. Had Ghaddafi used the power of his regime to create a government that was at least semi-just and had he granted the right of due process to the citizens he was in charge of, then I might be a bit more apt to be outraged over the way his capture and killing happened. But I can't be mad at a bunch of people who were doing exactly what he spent his many decades in power teaching them to do.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:43 PM
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8. Revolutions Are By Nature And Definition Messy
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:09 PM
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15. A trial would have brought some inconvenient facts and associations to light
"WE" and NATO knew a trial would be very inconvenient.

Just now, at least CNN was mentioning the tremendous amounts of oil reserves in Libya.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:22 PM
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19. The Irony Doesn't Escape Me But I'm A Realist
It is ironic that the "west" gave Khadafy a "get out of jail free" card and them discarded him when he was vulnerable and no longer useful but that's an occupational hazard for despots. Kind of like joining the mob.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:24 PM
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21. We nor NATO executed him.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:27 PM
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22. But It Is Ironic How We "Rehabilitated" Him After He "Forswore" Terrorism And Then Abandoned Him
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 06:36 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Same game we played with Saddam Hussein.

I am not saying they weren't bad guys and didn't get what they deserve but polititcs, especially international politics, isn't for the faint hearted.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:43 PM
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9. Whatever one wants to call justice raining down on Gaddafi today...
...it was perfectly justified.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:47 PM
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10. This Was A Threefer
We killed a bad guy.

Libyans are freer today than yesterday.

And the president's enemies on the left and right are apoplectic.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:49 PM
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11. I don't condone it, but I understand it. n/t
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:50 PM
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12. I have no idea, but I do know Gaddafi is not the guy I want to take my stand on. n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 05:55 PM
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13. It sure as hell was to the people who did it.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:10 PM
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16. Islamists.
And in the future 'WE' may find an Islamist dominated Libya troublesome indeed.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:11 PM
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17. that would be a good question for the Libyans to answer.
The US is not actually the center of the US.

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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 12:41 AM
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33. "The US is not actually the center of the US."
?????
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:12 PM
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18. he was dead anyway
I doubt he would have survived that initial abdominal wound and the massive blood loss shown in the videos. The head shot killed him a few hours sooner.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:23 PM
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20. I say no. Ben Laden and his ilk, yes.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:33 PM
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23. We didn't execute him so I don't give a shit.
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 06:34 PM by Phx_Dem
Good fucking riddance.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 07:24 PM
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24. Ask the Libyans. I'm guessing they'll come down on the side of justice served.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 07:29 PM
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25. Looking at the video sickened me. I hate when we glorify death even if it is a dictator.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 07:33 PM
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26. No
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 08:01 PM
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27. With a guy like this, you shoot first and ask questions later.
Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 08:01 PM by DCBob
cant take the risk of escape and who knows what he might have had planned as a last gasp effort to go out in a blaze of glory.

Congratulations to the rebels! Well done.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 08:03 PM
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28. Yes! (nt)
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 08:04 PM
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29. I think you need to define "summary execution" first
Its usually difficult to perform a summary execution on an armed guy, surrounded by armed guys, who has promised to fight to the last drop of blood.

He got exactly what he asked for - no hand-wringing necessary for once.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 09:24 PM
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31. Here:
A summary execution is a variety of execution in which a person is killed on the spot without trial or after a show trial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 11:57 PM
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32. and in this case it was justified.
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