Growing Up With "24"

[phantom power]

MSNBC just did a story on something that I had wondered about as well --- why were so many big celebrations after the announcement of bin Laden's death particularly raucous among college students around the country? They showed footage of various campuses and interviewed a couple of the students who explained that they were in the 6th grade when it happened and were just thrilled that it was finally over and that justice was finally done. It was truly a huge, patriotic moment for them.

I realized that the "War on Terror" has been going on for half their lives, so it seems like forever to them. And it reminded me just how much the zeitgest of the moment is "reality" when you are young. The GWOT and the militarization of America is just the way the world is to young people today.

...

It's a new world. Just as it was when I was growing up in the 1960s under the influence of the peace movement and the changing social norms of that time. It took me quite a few years to realize that everyone (except my parents) didn't see things the way that I did. I just thought that my worldview was the world. At that age it's all you know. It will be interesting to see how they evolve over the next few years.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/growing-up-with-24.html

[murphyj87]

1. Do you realize?

Do you realize that the Keifer Sutherland (Jack Bauer on 24) is the grandson of Tommy Douglas, the first politician to initiate a universal single payer health care system in Saskatchewan in 1962 and it went nationwide in 1966 when Douglas was national leader of the NDP, and that "Jack Bauer" - Keifer Sutherland is a strong supporter of the Bernie Sanders-like NDP (democratic socialists) who won 102 seats of a total of 308 in the Canadian election yesterday? Keifer Sutherland's mother is Shirley Douglas, daughter of Tommy Douglas

[Armstead]

9. His father Donsld Sutherland used to be as far left as you can be

Don't know if he still I'd or not....But he was a big time anti-war activist in Vietnam

[murphyj87]

12. Yes, he was born ....

Donald Sutherland was born in Saint John, New Brunswick, about 700 km from here.

[woo me with science]

2. This has been my concern all along with TSA's intrusive, authoritarian "security theater"

and the erosion of a range of rights and protections supposedly guaranteed by our Constitution.

It takes people with memories of a different way of doing things to possess the outrage to step up and decry the inexcusable. For kids who have never known anything different, what was lost is hard even to imagine.

Pushback has to happen within a certain time frame, or it becomes almost impossible. We forget how short a generation is.

[phantom power]

4. We have always been at war with EastAsia!

Always!

[woo me with science]

13. +1000 nt

[seabeyond]

6. so right. that is what was so offensive getting the little girl to spread legs and arms out

in position. so she learned it well.

[woo me with science]

14. Exactly. Thank you. nt

[Sonoman]

3. Here is a relative tidbit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1025811

[seabeyond]

5. my kids being one of the very very very few more liberal children have had an even more

intersting experience in this whole thing. they have seen it from the more liberal point of view experiencing the confrontational mass majority. has been an healthy, positive experience for them

[Dawson Leery]

7. Most of these (Millennials) were born from 1990 and onwards.

They were young during the economically prosperous 1990's (and the "culture wars"). They do not have a clear recollection of the world before the
so-called "war on terror".

Someone born in 1993 who is a senior in High School came into adulthood during this period. For them, they only know a world that has been shaped
by fear sold to them by the media. When 9/11 occurred, they were bombarded with messages qualifying torture and violence. It is unfortunate.

*Millennial were born from 1982-83(early) to 1998-99 (later).

[phantom power]

8. yarrr, get those millenial kids off my lawn

did I just say that?

[Armstead]

10. An interesting perspective....When young, I could barely recall when...

..we weren't at war in Vietnam. Or when the Cold War wasn't the backdrop of everything, orvwhen nuclear annihilation was't a background worry.

But my parents grewvup with the backdrop of the Depression and then the Nazis and WW2....Our views were very different on many things were different.

[Paradoxical]

11. I was one of those 6th graders. 11 years old watching the WTC collapse on CNN.

I do feel a sense of relief now that Bin Laden is dead.

[themadstork]

15. Am one of those kids. Do not relate to that mentality at all.

And didn't relate to it back when the college kids were outside hooting and hollering immediately after Bush declared the Iraq war.

I don't know that it's generational. Most my age are just dumb as fuck. Or more properly, apathetic. Many of them are smart; they just don't care, and can't be made to care. I've gotten many of them to admit that they only approve of torture when we (the US) do it against our enemies, but never when someone else uses it. And they are unbothered by this.

[otohara]

16. Video Games

this was the ultimate kill for the kids who grew up playing violent video games.

My theory - otherwise I can't figure it out - they were in middle school in 01.