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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:39 PM
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How could an unarmed OBL have resisted? Simple.
All he had to do was reach for a nearby weapon.

The raid took place after midnight and the residents were in bed, according to reports. So OBL very likely wasn't armed. But that doesn't mean he didn't reach for a gun as soon as they entered the room. And they had every right to stop him.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/03/official-guards-bin-laden-compound-time-raid/

Usama bin Laden appeared to be "reaching for a weapon" before he was shot by the U.S. team raiding his compound in Pakistan, a senior U.S. official told Fox News.
The detail was among many disclosed Tuesday that helped fill out the narrative of what exactly happened during the 40-minute raid that ended with bin Laden's death. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday repeated the claim that bin Laden was not armed when U.S. forces arrived. He said only that bin Laden resisted -- that could be a reference to the claim that the terror leader reached for a weapon moments before he was shot dead.



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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:40 PM
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1. WHO GIVES A SHIT....
HE'S DEAD!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-)
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:44 PM
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7. +1
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:51 PM
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13. You stole my reply
:)
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:41 PM
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2. It defintely sounds plausible
Whether its really true or not we will probably never know.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:42 PM
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3. Or reach for something out of sight, which could have been a weapon.
At close quarters, would people have preferred that the Seals wait to find out whether he's grabbing for a gun, grenade, or bomb?
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:43 PM
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4. Whatever yarn gets you there... (nt)
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:44 PM
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5. I don't give a shit it they shot him to death with a BB gun
Edited on Tue May-03-11 05:45 PM by titaniumsalute
the miserable piece of shit is gone. I remember seeing the images of people jumping out of 80th floor windows of the WTC because it was too hot and smokey for them to stay inside. Those people were unarmed.

So let me ask...if there was someone else in the room shooting at a SEAL while OBL was in there was it OK to shoot him? So the White House had a story relayed to them but after further review they realized they didn't have it right. They could have easily "hidden the fact" that OBL was unarmed (who would have known) but they came out and said he actually wasn't. Good for them for coming clean.

I'm done with DU for a few weeks. This shit on here is getting nauseating.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:49 PM
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11. I'm thrilled. Hope he was terrified.
I will never forgive him for the jumpers. With the Daily News, I say ROT IN HELL.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:44 PM
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6. Well there's an anonymous source
Not that I have a problem with it. News agencies all have anonymous sources at one time or another. A good idea sometimes because you can't always get the truth if people aren't willing to talk to you, you always hear journalists say they don't reveal who their sources are.

Just pointing it out with a lot of complaints I've read today about anonymous sources.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:47 PM
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8. Why is this senior U.S. official hiding?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:47 PM
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9. Sweetie, Fox News?
Oi vey.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:20 AM
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19. Why not? It came up on google and the quotes are accurate. n/t
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:48 PM
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10. The order was sent down
to the SEALS to take him out and not take any chances. If OBL was in the compound, he was going to die that night regardless of what he was or was not reaching for. The administration didn't want OBL detained and on trial.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:50 PM
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12. I don't have a problem with any of it
My only question is why didn't we bring the body back to the US?

Do an autopsy, see if there is anything we could learn from that

Probably nothing, but you never know for sure until you do it

Also - and this is just me personally - I wished we could have taken him alive - not because I feel bad for him, but his intelligence value alone

The SEALs did what they had to do, and they had to kill him. I just wish we could have had the chance to interrogate him, that's all

We did what we had to do and we did it well

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:59 PM
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14. Or, one could argue, he has never been without a weapon.
Either way, good riddance.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 06:07 PM
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15. Do. Not. Care. (nt)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 06:18 PM
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16. Hell, all he had to do is pick up and throw the nearest heavy object,
or pick up something long and start swinging.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 06:55 PM
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17. I'm not concerned about it. The person who shot him thought
he was resisting. Happens every day, right here in the United States between police and others.

None of us were there. None of us was holding the weapon. None of us saw a fucking thing. Debating what happened and why is a worthless exercise. The bottom line is that OBL, a terrible human being, is dead and resting on the bottom of the ocean. That is the only thing we know.

It is probably the only thing we will know. It's sufficient.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 06:59 PM
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18. It doesn't matter.
My favorite part was when they dumped Osama's body off the side of a carrier. It's clear that President Obama wants a clean slate with this. He's correct in wanting it that way.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:29 AM
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20. Methinks the lady doth protest too much - n/t
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:50 AM
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21. One wrong move.
Even the woman lunging at the soldiers may have been perceived as a general threat of hostility to someone involved in a firefight only moments before.

On the other hand, dead men tell no tales...
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:10 AM
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22. I don't give a rat's ass I'm just glad he's dead. nt
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:16 AM
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23. Tonight Rachel did a piece that was profound.
She played all the different stories from different sources. Reports that varied wildly on the number of helicopters, number of troops involved, height of the walls, etc., etc.

It was her thought on it that this is still a developing story, and the truth will be distilled eventually from the myriad sources of this conflicting information.

I think she's right. She usually is, after all.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:58 AM
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32. Yep. We don't know all the facts and we may never know the facts
which is unfortunate.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:10 AM
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24. If you bust into a room
and find OBL in his skivvies, do you assume he's unarmed? If you make such an assumption then you're not the one busting into the room because you're too damn dumb to get into the program in the first place.


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:12 AM
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25. Duh if he has a weapon at arm's length that would be considered armed.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:23 AM
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26. So based on that, was he armed or not? And why don't any DUers wanted him taken alive?
Pure hatred? Sure the man was evil and what he did was evil. So was a lot of other monstrous crimes for which people were brought to justice. But apparently the Interahamwe killing all those Tutsis is a lesser crime, since they got sent to a special tribunal.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:33 AM
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27. Whether or not he was armed, "resisted" means when the soldiers were told to "capture or kill" Osama
the officer was winking when he said "capture."

Normally, I'd have a problem with that.

But I'll make an exception for Osama.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:35 AM
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28. I thought he reached for a woman to shield him the coward.
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:37 AM
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29. That turned out not to be true. n/t
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:40 AM
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30. Thanks Beth for the update, been out of touch for the past
few days. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:53 AM
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31. Here's a nicely groomed collection of links from ProPublica.
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