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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:23 PM
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President Obama: Is This Justice?
President Obama: Is This Justice?
(posted with permission from: http://sane-ramblings.blogspot.com/2011/05/president-obama-is-this-justice.html)

**Author's Note: According to the major U.S. news coverage, our nation is celebrating bin Laden’s murder. It takes courage to criticize it. But if you can find the stomach for it, please post it on DU, even if you introduce it as a controversial perspective worth considering and telling readers to let the author know what they think or why he’s wrong.
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An American "Kill Team" secretly lands in Pakistan and shoots Osama bin Laden and others in his compound to death and then rids themselves of his body. But is this "justice" as you have repeatedly stated or is it revenge for 9/11?

1) Imagine if Chinese Commandos landed just outside Washington in the middle of the night and killed a European businessman and his staff, dumping his body in the Potomac. Would this be acceptable to you?

2) America used to be recognized the world over as a compassionate nation that helped others and set the standard of justice for them to emulate. Yet we now have "Kill Teams" of 10 to 100 assassins who carry out assassinations, funded by Congress and doing your bloody bidding.

3) 9/11 was a horrific act that took nearly 3,000 lives on the spot and many more over the years as toxic dust and chemicals sickened and killed other victims, including first responders. But if murder is now our criteria of justice, what about all the deaths and savagery in Iraq and Afghanistan? Hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq for example and where is their justice? Are you and President Bush going to be held accountable?

4) The American Constitution was admired across the world, now we ignore it in pursuit of "terrorists" as you and President Bush have been granted special war time rights. We also ignore the Geneva Convention and the United Nations Charter we helped to write.

5) You've been speaking proudly about the threatening message you sent in killing bin Laden. But what about the message you sent to our nation's youth and to young people across the world? That murder is right when a U.S. President says it is? Isn't this what street gangs do if their leaders authorize it? Isn't this what the Mafia is infamous for?

6) So what did you accomplish? In 2006, when Saddam Hussein was executed, that was supposed to turn the tide in Iraq. Instead the murder and mayhem have continued. And just since you ordered bin Laden killed, Al-Qaeda has committed three acts of terror killing or injuring numerous Iraqis, as they confront the puppet government you keep in power.

President Obama, where is the justice you were sworn to uphold? It has been 10 years of war, when does the killing end? What do you expect to accomplish by it? What kind of nation have you and President Bush and an inept Congress created? Isn't it one Osama bin Laden could easily relate to.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:25 PM
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1. Right...
Because all of those situations is exactly the same... aiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee yaieeeeee yaaaaaiiiieeeeeeeee!
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:27 PM
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3. It has been 10 years of war, when does the killing end?
I'd like to know.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:35 PM
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8. Wrong...
It's been many more years than that. But that still doesn't change the fact that all your items are strawment.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:27 PM
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2. Pakistan is a failed state
the good majority of their population does not even recognize that their government has any authority what so ever. My question is, are they even a country? They seem to me to be a area of land where a bunch of different waring tribes live.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:29 PM
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5. Perhaps that is the reason that no one has won a war there
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:30 PM
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6. That is a huge problem with fighting in the middle east in general
because there is not really one power to deal with.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:37 PM
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9. Seems the Pakistani people are mighty embarassed...
And wanting answers from their government as well. Charges of incompetency, and missed opportunities.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:28 PM
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4. K&R
For the rule of law.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:34 PM
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7. I couldn't care less
whether it's justice or revenge -- or, frankly, a little of both. I'm glad he's dead. I'm glad we killed him.

What did it accomplish? Just look at that crowd outside the White House when they heard. A symbol of terror has been destroyed. He didn't go down in a blaze of glory, but like disease infected pest.

Good riddance.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:38 PM
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10. Any Time You Wonder, Sir, Why The Left Has Little voting Strength In This Country
Remember this comment you have posted, and others like it, and you will have the largest proportion of your answer.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:39 PM
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12. bing! bing! bing!
We have a winnah!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:46 PM
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15. Yes, it is a bit off the wall, isn't it n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:38 PM
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11. Yes. Next issue, please. nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:41 PM
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13. WTF is this GOPer Whining Tripe? WHINE WHINE WHINE Nit Pick WHINE
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:47 PM
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17. Thank you for the "Kick"
So it is "Nit Pick" to question if we play by a firm set of rules, or rules (of law) that it is OK to break, if the boss feels like it?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:44 PM
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14. Yes, it IS justice. Next question.
Wanted dead or alive is justice when there is no general body that can assure justice otherwise -- and despite the ICC, the UN, and so on, the world's nations have not allowed such an entity to exist.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:08 PM
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18. Even the Israelis gave Eichmann a trial....
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:55 PM
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26. I can't remember, did Israel give Mahmoud al-Mabhouh a trial? n/t
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:47 PM
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16. yes
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nonperson Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:27 PM
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19. Yes this was justice
That dead son of a bitch bin Laden is all the proof anyone should need.

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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:32 PM
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20. I like the part where this idiot blames Obama for the execution of Saddam Hussein.
FAIL.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:18 PM
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24. The only FAIL, is your reading comprehension, I'm afraid...
6) So what did you accomplish? In 2006, when Saddam Hussein was executed, that was supposed to turn the tide in Iraq. Instead the murder and mayhem have continued. And just since you ordered bin Laden killed, Al-Qaeda has committed three acts of terror killing or injuring numerous Iraqis, as they confront the puppet government you keep in power.

pot calling the kettle black?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:26 PM
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25. The comparison between those events he so ridiculous it is hard to
decide where to start.

The mess in Iraq was Bush's doing. And while I would agree that it was STUPID, the violence there, increase or decrease has had NOTHING to do with the death of Saddam. btw ... the level violence there is DOWN since 2006, you know that, right?

And same is true for OBL. Al Qaeda does not need a reason to stage attacks of various kinds, they do it all the time. If the weather changes, they attack something, if we kill OBL they attack something ... they don't need a reason.

But look, keep on whining. It is fun to watch.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:45 PM
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21. I have pondered those same thoughts for many years.
It is beyond the scope of being able to post an easy answer to such a question, and requires many hundred pages to ponder.

I want to type a line or two that can make it make more sense, or how I make sense out of it, but it is beyond being able to comment on with a few lines, and includes so many topics, it would take months if not years to post a response that would be accurate from the many different perspectives.



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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:00 PM
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22. Bin Laden chose the justice he received. He's lucky he got a swift death.
It was much better than he deserved.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:01 PM
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23. Apparently, the Constitution is subject to the Kyl Dictum
That is, "not intended to be a factual statement." After all, if something's just too messy or inconvenient, we can't be bothered with that "due process" stuff. As long as a sufficient number of people agree that someone is a very, very bad person, the people of the United States have issued carte blanche to our government officials to do whatever they please, up to and including deliberate murder of that person and anyone luckless enough to be in that person's vicinity.

Our signing of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights notwithstanding, the United States reserves to itself in its sole discretion the right to violate that declaration at will, provided sufficient numbers of people agree that the human being so targeted is very, very bad. Said agreement can be prospective, respective or any other time we darn well feel like it. And this doesn't violate any of our country's laws or treaty obligations, so stop saying that. And don't any of the rest of you lot on the planet start getting any ideas about measuring justice against the United States with the same measure the United States uses, because none of you spends nearly enough on might to make that right.
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B-Stupid Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:12 PM
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27. Ahhhh, the professional left......
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:17 PM
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28. YES, justice ... FINALLY and it took President Obama to do it. nt
:thumbsup: :applause: :patriot:
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hardcover Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:27 PM
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29. Yes. Yes it is justice.
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