Question - if Americans have really seen through the

[malaise]

ReTHUGS and Teabaggers, then does it matter how much money they have.
If all their lies re Medicare, Social Security and so on have been exposed why would people vote for them based on ads.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. That is a very interesting question, which we will see put to the test in the next couple of years.

For starters, we're gonna see if the Koch types can buy the recall elections in WI.

[malaise]

2. Yes indeed

That will be a good test

[RandomThoughts]

3. They assume the ads are true.

Subconscious programming.


much of the groups you see on TV are not trying to convince people, they are trying to program people.

Every mention of President Obama as Kenyan, no matter how it matters in anything, programs into a subconscious that has some racial bias already in it.

Every comment on Tax, programs into the subconscious that has all taxes bad programmed into it.

Any comment on Womens rights, programs into the ideas of abortion as only thing that matters in society.




You have to understand there are many people that have many macros loaded up, and then they go and vote without knowing why from there subconscious. Since for most the conscious mind just explains to a person what the subconscious already decided.


So all those articles on immigration, Islam, terrorism, and all that, is to keep that part of there subconscious making there decisions. So groups will make dumb arguments and put them on tv, and the rational argument can destroy that argument, but it don't matter, becuase they are not using any reason or thought to decide things.

The people being programed, only hear tax, or brown or black, or Kenyan, or Gay, or Abortion, and that triggers the loaded macro.

They don't actually think or feel on what they hear, what they hear, fires off a programmed macro with loaded words. Words loaded by years of propaganda.



Someone has to help them think and feel mostly, and face that they are not actually thinking and feeling, but reacting to programming in almost all there decisions. And to do that, a person has to go through a storm, since they have to unprogram themselves, and that is not easy.



Back in the day, many years ago, I decided I would quit doing something I did not want to do. Back when I was in my 20s. I found I was driving to a place to do that, while saying I should not. That is how addiction works. I was literally doing something from pattern, while my thinking feeling mind was saying it was dumb.

So I pulled over and began to think, and realized there was stuff in my mind bellow the thinking mind that by pattern was trying to get me to do what I know was wrong. A friend once came to the same conclusion, he in a moment of clarity said out loud, "It is wrong to do what you know is wrong" The same idea.

So anyways, I learned the hair combing technique, where I would think, "why do I want to do that" what is the reason, when at the same time I don't want to do something. until I could see the programming, and the thoughts deeper that were trying to guide me, and realized they made no sense at all, and sometimes could be from something as dumb as just seeing something many times, programming. That is when I learned that thought and feeling can unprogram oneself, and many other things about the other parts of mind and reality.

But anyways, they are doing it and not knowing why. Or "forgive them, they know not what they do"

Also why I find the beer and travel money a funny. And a just debt that is due to me. That is not subconscious only, although the framework for that works in the same way, but I built it with years of thought and feeling, not years of being programmed, using the same concepts of macros, but thinking on what is in that macro often. And if I feel it is best ideas. Could be different for other people.


liberals try to explain to people that are not making decisions based on any thinking. First you have to help them to think and feel. That has been the problem with the liberals getting more support from many people. While the controlling types just try to program a reaction.

And that is why some tv lies alot, and uses buzz words, and repeats dumb arguments, since every time the rational arguement argues the other side, or how dumb it is back, their followers only get another trigger fired on the macro, and don't hear any of the argument.

Every time you rationally explain a position on some issue, they only hear there own programming, not what you are saying.


I found pointing out the obvious contradictions is the best way to get someone to think and feel, since a contradiction has to be resolved in the mind, or ignored, and to resolve that takes examining the deeper thoughts. To ignore it is the 'splinter in the mind' from the matrix. That is also why some create a fantasy world that is not the same world other people live in, since to resolve the contradiction, changing how they view reality can help with that. So some work through the contradiction and change there thinking, while some change there entire view of reality to create something to explain the contradiction.

And why those that point out the contradictions help so much.


That is also why I see things from many contexts, since I do not just pick the first 'most used context' the subconscious gives in response to hearing something, but look at all the contexts in parts of the subconscious that could correlate, that is widening the pipe. Although I don't do acid, that is why people that did acid has the same experience, where they did it by numbing part of the brain, to get to more correlating information in subconscious by mixed up response, you can also examine your subconscious by widening the pipe without numbing reason and pick the context. And drugs numb reason, so they don't help, but that is why acid can have a similar effect but random not picked out by thinking and feeling.

And seeing many of the possible subconscious thoughts is also seeing things from many perspectives, the subconscious will usually offer the conscious the most used perspective. You have to widen the pipe to see from less used perspectives, that you can still think on, but are not the part you mind uses most, or thinks on most.


I can see things from perspective of 'why care' since that is in my mind also, even if it does not pop first, or I can pick the 'it is better to care' that pops up first in my mind. But from that I can see the arguments from other sides. So people that look at things from perspectives that are not there own, are also widening there pipe.

And that is why many are not tolerant in that group also, and it also hinders empathy, when they can not put themselves in someone elses shoes.

[defendandprotect]

4. Who says that they vote for them? Remember Diebold voting computers?

They've been with us since the late 1960's -- !!

[AC_Mem]

5. The 2010 Elections were U.G.L.Y.

It made me sick to watch the television because of all the hateful, awful commercials that ran non-stop. I don't look forward to this onslaught again, and I think it turned alot of people away from even voting (unfortunately for our party).

All we can do is work on a local level to educate people - I don't really think we can even count on our democrats to do it for us this time, they sure didn't help last year. We need to get out there ourselves and talk to people. I'm constantly correcting the lies of the GOP. I had to do it with someone I've known since I was 6 years old just yesterday! The television says social security and medicare are broke, so she believes it. I tell her it is a lie and she tells me "Prove it".

Why do I have to prove the truth? Because the lies have been so effective. And this is an educated woman who works for a college!!!

We can take NOTHING for granted in 2012.

If we are aware, we need to share.

Shine on,
Annette

[jp11]

6. Yes, they can still buy politicians, with their money.

All assuming that people have seen through them which I doubt, then some people will vote for them because they buy into the ads selling fear/hate.