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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:17 PM Original message |
3 new expansions of Surveillance State cloak the powerful in secrecy and make our lives open books |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. K & R |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. 62% of DUers (in a recent poll) agree with that. I'm surprised it was that low a % |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. "panopticon" is right -- i think most people aren't aware of how bad it's become |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The internet was invented by ARPA, so I fully expect everything I type to be read by one of em |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. “Education is dangerous - |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
110. Them eddicated 'people' strongly tend to be more Liberal too! |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. and that is the true danger of 'left cover', that somehow the police state is more benign under the |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Exactly so. Right or left hand, each can hold a club. And what happens when the right it back? |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
111. They have 'non-partisan' precendents: that's what happens. |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. It seems to me that they are already using it against citizens.... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. well, the scary thing is that we'd have no way of knowing w/o a whistleblower |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #33 |
60. How are they using it against citizens? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. that's the ultimate question -- if it's all secret, we have no way to know. however, certain folks |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Yep, that makes sense... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. think: Eliot Spitzer. or, think about a private prison system needing "clients".... |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
107. The Panopticon model |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Secret spying for secret reasons based on secret legal rationale. INDEFENSIBLE. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. well, maybe someone here will try to defend it...i wonder what grounds they'd use? |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
50. the vast bulk of people(in the world)will 'defend it' through silence & the willful act of ignoring |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
62. "It isn't creeping fascisim when WE do it?" |
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noise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
65. The establishment has defended it since 9/11 |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
6. K&R |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. Not sure I really care anymore |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. i hear you, and you nailed with the last sentence..."we'll give them away" |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. or we'll even pay for them! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. thanks...and i totally get it about the cell phone! |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. ...which I why I use a throwaway Tracphone. |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
45. Thank you for |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
61. So, so true... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
70. You're confusing things a bit here |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. would i give up my smoking habit and caffeine binges for single-payer? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
90. So the govt decides to pick up the tab on things and then they control your life |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. since the govt isn't in the habit of picking up anyone's tab except GoldmanSachs, we're getting |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. Thank you, n_b |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. HUGE K & R !!! |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R'd |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
15. Cue the "Obama is a Saint who Can Do No Wrong" Brigade in |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. surprised they haven't shown up yet -- maybe this is beyond the pale for them too. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Nah -- they just know they'd lose the argument |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. damn, i've been busy baking them a cake, too. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
63. And isn't that the biggest dupe of all? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. amen! |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Yup. Nailed it C Cat. |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
101. ty..the adoring fan base is unnatural..its teeny bopper especially when considering info such |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
99. They never debate the issues. They only attack the messengers. nt |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
54. Maybe they realize they can't spin this one |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. or...maybe they were RAPTURED!! |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
108. ...! |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
98. Note how most of their posts are about his popularity or his image. The fawning |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. lol Lorien. I just made that same comparison..as that's the over the top swooners impress me now..n |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
16. kr |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
17. k/r |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
18. K&R |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
20. ^^^ |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
75. Judging from this thread, most of us on DU are running around |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
82. that is so totally the case. hmmm - wonder what PDK would say about this? |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
21. I know that petitions do nothing besides raising awareness. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. you know, i actually saw something this weekend about a May 24 call-in push |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
22. This the exact kind of thing I didn't sign up for and hoped would be beyond the pale for |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
23. This is very telling if you are not afraid to look directly at it. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. :) that's a good one. |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
25. K&R |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
26. K&R... |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Hubert Flottz |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
29. Since a war was never declared, neither will peace. Such power is not given up voluntarily. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Exactly |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. a constitutional scholar of national repute(albeit repute coming from being POTUS) is EXPANDING & |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
72. I think the "constitutional scholar" credential was oversold, and the corporate lawyer ignored |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #72 |
88. That *and* the community organizer |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Shows how easy it is to knock the wind out of reformist politics in America |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
113. Makes one wonder indeed. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. i'm realizing, this is our "I Told You So" moment -- and it needs to be said repeatedly... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
76. "War is Peace" isn't just a slogan - it's a form of governance. The US hasn't had a moment of peace |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
32. Unreal. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. pols never give up power willingly, and now it seems we can't even know what powers they're grabbing |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. No doubt! |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Which is why |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. well said! |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #32 |
67. Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 and the 1996 Telecommunications Act laid some |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. i was such a Clintonite dingle berry back then that I completely blocked-out how bad the Telecom Act |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
35. k&r n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
43. Transparentcy... |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
46. K&R |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
49. K&R. nt |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
53. k&r |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
55. The Corpzis are consolidating their control. They |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
56. K&R |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
58. Yep, tyranny is not a left vs. right issue. Nt |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
59. Land of the Free? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
73. Secret Government is UNDEMOCRATIC Government |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. that's a great example -- also the RNC convention protestors |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Very well stated Octafish. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Were you able to catch last night's "Sixty Minutes" |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. "Drake." The New Yorker article about him is what got Greenwald started on this. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. The Founders understood that. Any abuse that can be carried out in secret. WILL. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. not even super scary middle eastern things with hard-to-prounounce names? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Well, of course, wars & violence hadn't been invented then. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. yup |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
78. I love transparency |
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BetsysGhost (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
79. and don't forget this.. |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
86. they've expanded the use of wire taps etc |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. couple this with prison privatization and i see the next bubble market. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
89. K & R |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
94. I'm Supposed to Feel Safer Now? |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
96. Kicked |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. welcome to DU! |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
103. WHY do you despise America? WHY?? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. this has made my day!! hippie-weasels unite!! |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Crypto-fasc-tastic! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. naughty! |
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lordsummerisle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
104. K&R n/t |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
106. K&R n/t |
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