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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:12 PM Original message |
Social Security: The Coming Cave-in |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. "The right is playing a very cute game, congratulating Obama for the deal" |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yep--two years from now (if not sooner) he'll be making a speech |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. I expect we'll see the fight when it comes time to vote to raise the debt ceiling. nt |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
60. dupe |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
61. My thoughts exactly. Obama will just "have to do it" or else it will be TEOTWAWKI!! nt |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. TEOTWAWKI? |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. TEOTWAWKI |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
113. Thanks! |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
121. YCHCYAQFTJB |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
71. Yupp. |
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freedom fighter jh (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
103. Yes, I think that's the "bloodbath" that Alan Simpson is anticipating n/t |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Will that be before or after his other speech? |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
57. I agree |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Maybe he'll be able to get another extension of unemployment benefits |
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Paper Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
62. Excuse me? Maybe I misread your post. Please tell me, |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. I suspect sarcasm was in play... |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. I'm deeply sympathetic to those whose major or only |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
104. re. short term gain for the unemployed. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. Yes. |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. Yes, molly77, that point laid to waste and highlighted the betrayal. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. This is exactly what this is all about...pitting the seniors against |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
95. as long as we are all... |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
94. I as about to let you have it... |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
111. I guess my sarcasm was a little obscure. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #111 |
118. the best kind of sarcasm... |
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Smashcut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
79. Perfect, except you forgot how he'll slam the "purity police" |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. Another brilliant essay by Kuttner. Thanks for posting. k&r n/t |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. "It sure looked like he got rolled." I don't think he got rolled at all. |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Yep, he is executing to the plan |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Exactly right - the American people are the ones who've been rolled. nt |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Agree. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. But Obama is the furthest-left President |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
105. If Obama were any further to the left, he would not be alive. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #105 |
120. That is possible. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
47. No, this is who Obama really is, and quite a few people are finally waking up to it. |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. You said it.......... |
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SugarShack (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. And how...this IS who he is. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. There were plenty of clues back then, in those heady days of pretty speeches |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
112. The problem was, what choice did we have? |
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SugarShack (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
82. Indeed...it is who he really IS |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
56. Well we don't have many choices here |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
96. I won't speak for SW.... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
106. No, I think he's always been a wolf in wolf's clothing, it's just that he was so very |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
58. Yep....he's |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
97. but you know.... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. thanks for the laugh... |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #108 |
117. Of course we can't get wine and beer... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #117 |
122. Carlo Rossi |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
85. exactly |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. K&R |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Today's Shoe cartoon. Deep down politicians are good people. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. LOL |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Lol! Thanks! nt |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. OMG, I haven't seen Shoe in ages. |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. True! |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. Obama and the Republicans or Obama and the Corporations/Banks/Insurance Cos n/t |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
9. K & R Sometimes it takes a Democrat to achieve Republican goals. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yep. Democrats would unite to fight this if it were a Republican trying it. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
98. Only Nixon could go to china... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Sometimes it takes a Democrat to achieve Republican goals. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. A pattern that has become part of an |
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dreamnightwind (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Yes, and... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What gets me is how often |
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dreamnightwind (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Yeah, I know |
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lob1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
72. I wouldn't trust H. Ford to count my pocket change. |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. I was thinking that too when they trotted Clinton out to endorse the tax cuts nt |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
41. seems to be? it is the modus operandi and the raison d'etre of the democratic party.. nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. His request that Warren lead the NEC is stupid. She has MUCH more power at the CPFB. The head of the |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
51. What is it with you guys and your new attacks on Warren? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
99. Monday morning... |
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salinen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
12. This is Bushes |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
50. you can do better. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
115. I can |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
16. K&R....nt |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. If I ran the household budget with this same mentality, my husband would think I was |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. The R's will pay him back for this over and over with many thanks and |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I think they've been clear what their intentions are. nt |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:31 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Doesn't leave much to the imagination, does it ... n/t |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. wish you were wrong too but not looking good! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
30. things are getting ready to be very ugly...Krauthammer pats Obama on the back. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Well, if that doesn't tell the story...nt |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
31. Strongly agree on all points. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
34. And the sad thing is that SS should not even be in the same |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. +1000 nt |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. If (WHEN) they touch SS, I won't give a shit about the Democratic Party, it's the future of |
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katnapped (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
39. And when it DOES happen |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. How about: "It would be even worse with Republicans!" |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. There will also be many cries of "You never really loved him anyway!" |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
40. connecting the deficit and SS are pretty much sure signs. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
43. Retirement has become an abstract concept for me |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
44. This is so predictable |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
107. Love the dog and pony. |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
48. K&R |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
49. Excuse me..I am feeling very sick to my stomach..gotta go........ |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
53. K&R n/t |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
54. As soon as he appointed Simpson and Bowles the fix was in - and Social Security is doomed. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
55. Rather than a so-called cave-in, it could be a "conspiracy" to dramatically increase the wage cap. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. It's more than Social Security |
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JEB (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
63. They can take SS |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. that's the plan |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
64. K&R #96. |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
65. apparently, the 'hostage' is co-operating w/the ReThugs |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
67. They don't seem to care that most "middle class retirees" |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
69. Obama specifically identified SS and Medicare as the "long term" "spending" issues to be dealt with. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
91. Obviously this is what Obama was sent in to "deal with" -- Anyone doubt it any longer??? |
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TatonkaJames (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
73. Time to give the Middle-Class some breathing room |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
86. so basically, retiring will be impossible for me now. What a wonderful |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
88. HUGE K & R !!! |
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Stoic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
89. I voted for "Change" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. What would it take for you to behave .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
90. IMO, it's the official announcement that the Democratic Party has been collapsed.... |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
93. "benefits for the very poor would not be reduced"... |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
100. After the President's comments on NPR, ID'ing SS and Medicare as "future spending" to be addressed, |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. You don't see it yet... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
102. So sue me: Once Obama made a crack about "not puling the plug on Granny," I figured him for not so |
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Seedersandleechers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
109. We are so fucked! |
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WoodyM (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
116. And all this will come to pass |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Sure is quick to sell us out, huh? |
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