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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:20 AM Original message |
Willaim Greider: President Obama Threatens Social Security |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. If it isn't Obama's intention, then why is he doing it? /nt |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. same reason HE, by executive order, |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
62. Every time the middle class and poor get a tax cut, their wages drop. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #62 |
80. +1 nt |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
96. Good analysis. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
83. When O says something in his Dem Kabuki masque; |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
39. good question. be prepared to be eviscerated by the 'good dem' |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. come on, now... |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. okey dokey. :-D |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. It IS Obama's intention... |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Bill Clinton, maybe. nt |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. more like ronniey ray-gun.nt |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. he is doing it... |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
60. As Curly from the Three Stooges would say: |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
63. absolutely - he and his advisors know exactly the repercussions of this |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. recommend |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
3. And this: |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. "Complicit"-... |
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Echotrail (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
4. Agree! This is the most dangerous |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
84. This tax cut using SS is dangerous on many levels |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
85. Exactly. Roosevelt is turning over in his grave. We will eventually |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
5. The silent unreccers are hitting this one hard. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:38 AM Original message |
Thank you for reminding me --- Rec'd |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
50. me 2- Rec. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
6. More la-la land predictions. |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. It's been la la land for 30 years now........ |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
55. 30 years... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Greider is probably the wisest person writing on economic issues today.. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. You're right, I do discount him. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Are you going to take care of all the people left high and dry after SS is gone? |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Are you going to give me the bill # to read? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. There are many reliable and much more knowledgeable folks who say otherwise. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. The 2% cut to Social Security taxes is the first step toward |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
75. Isn't it interesting how this proposal came out AFTER the election? |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. The damage would have been even worse than it actually |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
87. The question is: does he care? I doubt seriously if he planned |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I did hear about that, |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
56. "SS isn't going to be gone" |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
93. They're just going to slowly starve it to death. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. They may know more than you. Have you considered that possibility? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
59. forget that one |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
65. of course not. obama, hyper-chessmaster in-chief knows more than anybody.... |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. and we mere mortals cannot understand his infinite wisdom or his |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:12 AM Response to Reply #66 |
104. yes, but who will save us from him? nt |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Pundit? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Thank you. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. They don't want the truth to spread so they smear people who have long histories of not only |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Social Security hasn't been dismantled. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I said... |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I've been voting since 1968, I've seen it all. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. the reagan-era deforms of SS were thought up by a bipartisan commision & voted into existence |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Cutting the payroll tax is just one part of the assault n/t |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. So he's been jerking chains for 40 years? |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Up is down, black is white, the facts are yanking chains... |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
57. and don't forget... |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. dupe... wrong place nt |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. More paid corporate spewing. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:06 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. You said it. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
46. Obama's tax cut compromise will move money that, without the 2% cut, would to into |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
73. Thank you. Nice post. nt |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #46 |
76. So in other words... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
81. +1 nt |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
67. William Greider a pundit? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
91. Yet, you didn't offer any arguments for your opinion. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #91 |
106. Never does. nt |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. K&R |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. K & R |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
11. Emailing this to everyone I know! Kick & Rec! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
13. Deleted message |
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. the "Trojan horse" now has a face. |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. This idea has cartoon potential. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. I brought this up last Monday and no one thought anything about it... |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #27 |
82. I too have been shouting this from the rooftops for a week. Some more Info: |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. In a year from now, the voices in congress calling for |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. First they will call for various cuts in benefits to make Social Security "solvent". |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
35. - |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. Most idiotic idea I've ever heard from a dem. Never seen such shortsighted bullshit unless it is |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #36 |
88. Its really hard to come to any other conclusion. -nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
37. K&R |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
38. Rec |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
42. Big K&R -- Greider knows what he's talking about... |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
43. And this is something that the repubs didn't ask for |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
44. K&R |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
45. Kick one more time for the best economic analyst in America... |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. This should be an alarm clock for us, a loud one |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
101. The warning sirens have been blaring since the day after the '08 election -- !!! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
58. I trust William Greider's take on this issue. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
64. this part is extremely poor logic: |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Yeah, that struck me, too. Hasn't Grieder figured out by now that what Obama says |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. +1000. |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #64 |
98. True. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
69. Deleted message |
LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. +1,000 |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
72. Allowing ALL the tax cuts to expire |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. It can't even exist under our current structure and will become one |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
77. I have said this every day since the tax package was introduced. Yesterday |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
79. I really didn't think |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
86. This "tax cut" is a poison pill on many levels |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
89. This whole sorted mess.. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. "Sordid" n/t |
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wilbureduke (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
94. Jesus endorses social darwinism? |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. And this is a man that sat in Rev. Wright's church for years. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. As we can now all see, Obama hasn't only turned his back on Rev. Wright. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
100. ... differences between the two parties seem to be fading ever faster .....!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
102. Just want to mention this, however -- |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Tried and true since NAFTA/Clinton. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. So true ... !! |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
105. When the rest of society wakes up, it will be too late. nt |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
108. . |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
109. Kick |
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