Re-approaching the Global Warming debate

[peopleb4money]

I think there is a man made link to global warming and that governments have gotten so worried about it that, rather than restricting pollution and scaling down industry, they've resorted to the last ditch effort of spraying the skies with massive amounts of Aluminum. magnesium and born in an attempt to lower the global temperature (which will assuredly throw soil nutrients out of whack) trying to push for ineffectual policies, like carbon tax credit, which is probably just a way that big corporations can pay to pollute and squeeze out smaller competition who can't afford it. I wish it was a hoax, but I think there's enough concrete science behind it. However, that's not really the point. I think focusing on Man Made GW is just focusing on a trend that isn't 100% provable one way or the other, simply because humanity hasn't witnessed this before. Since the eco-system is collapsing around us, I think there needs to be new tactics to demonstrate the destruction of the environment and the impacts that that might have on human civilization.

The focus should be on the smaller, yet related, issues that are directly demonstratable. Yah, maybe oil isn't causing the ice caps to melt and the oceans to rise (maybe it is), but oil reserves have been so far depleted that the gulf floor was shattered and suffocated in an attempt to mine for petroleum. Maybe it can't be proven that the river deltas that get contaminated by pesticides through run off from industrial farming cause global warming, but it can be proven that the fish suffocate from an overgrowth of algae and that the waters left are so acidic that the only animal that can thrive is Jelly Fish. Maybe it can't be proven that deforestation and the depletion of top soil causes global warming because of reduced vegetation that's available for sequestering carbon, but it can be demonstrated, that when arable land disappears (whether from ecological collapse or bad farming practices), people starve to death and kill each other over dwindling food resources. I could go on and on, but I'm starting to think that making global warming the central argument is just a dead end. I think the media focuses way too much on it and people need see more tangible things.

I don't know how much people realize how vulnerable our infrastructure is. If we, all of a sudden, ran out of oil, or one of these GM mono-cultured crops dies off from being manipulated too much, which is all very likely at some point, more than half the population would probably die in a matter of months. I've tried growing my own food recently in my sucky soil, and if you just, in a panic decided to plant some seeds in this rocky, high clay containing dirt around where I live, you would die. You wouldn't have the time to do any prep-work. I'm pretty sure people would start eating each other too at some point. This is what happened during the collapse of Rome, so I don't see why it wouldn't happen in American cities. I think it will make what goes on in the Congo look like a playground. Our system is way too centralized.

I'm starting to think that people aren't going to wake up to all this and maybe just start preparing for the apocalypse. I'll get some land in some remote place and learn to support myself without being dependent on the global economic system so that I won't have to deal with all the rape and bloodshed that will ensue in the cities.

[Tunkamerica]

1. the contrails thing is what originally got me into staying up late on

the internet oh so many years ago. nothing new there.

There was a lot of cannibalism after (during?) the fall of rome?

[peopleb4money]

3. Yah, I read about it in a book called Surviving off the Grid.

When the Visigoths invaded, it threw their economy so much out of whack that people weren't getting any food. So, in the cities, people resorted to cannibalism.

[grantcart]

2. The first thing would be to stop calling it 'Global Warming' and give it the

more accurate term 'Climate Change' so that people can see that severe changes in percipitation and floodingm, as well as increased destruction of hurricanes and tornados are demonstrating that climate change is already here. Cue flooding in North Dakota.

Second would be to focus on the accidification of the Ocean as a result of massive carbon absorption which is on a consistent basis and does not have the up and down fluctuation of temperature that makes 'global warming' difficult for some people to understand when climate change is plunging some areas into record breaking colder winters.

[peopleb4money]

4. I agree. I almost wonder if big business confuses the details surrounding climate change in the,,,

media to keep people divided so that nothing ever gets done about it. Even though in some places its unusually cold (which is potentially dangerous for crop failure), I still think its an overall warming trend since the ice caps are melting and the ocean levels are rising. Calling it climate change might be the right move though.

[ixion]

6. Yep, you beat me to it

:toast:

[ixion]

5. well, first off, lose the phrase "global warming" and use "global climate change" instead

because global warming is actually an inaccurate phrase that the deniers latch on to every time it snows.

[B Calm]

7. Couldn't agree more!