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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:40 AM
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Democrats' Concerns about Social Security Payroll Tax Holiday Are Ignored by Pres. Obama
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Top Democrat Identifies Another Threat To Social Security In Obama Tax Plan
Brian Beutler | December 15, 2010, 8:45AM

An outspoken and respected House liberal is concerned that President Obama's tax cut plan will pose more than one threat to Social Security.

Progressive advocates, and a wide swath of the Democratic party, oppose Obama's call for a partial employee payroll tax holiday. Not because they don't want workers to have extra cash in their pocket, but because they worry that a supposedly temporary payroll tax rate will become the new normal and jeopardize Social Security in the long run. Next year, they worry, Republicans will characterize allowing the holiday to lapse as a "tax hike" on workers, and Dems will be cowed into extending it.

Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) shares that fear. But even if things don't shake out that way, he says, treating the funding mechanism for Social Security as a variable that can be tweaked to fund stimulus or reduce deficits will erode Social Security's status as the third rail of American politics, and leave it vulnerable to future attacks from the right.

"What they've done is put social security in a package with the Bush tax rates and the fix and the estate tax and business expensing," Holt said in a phone interview yesterday. "And it's something you deal: you take a little bit here, you give a little bit there."

Holt worries that if Congress and the White House unite to turn the payroll tax into a budget item, then it's only a matter of time before it loses its uniqueness, and then it will be susceptible to attacks from its long-standing enemies.

"Social Security becomes something we use to stimulate the economy, next year we'll use it to balance the budget -- it becomes another government program like the Endowment for the Arts," Holt said. "Ever since 1945 there have been dedicated enemies of Social Security and the reason it has been able to withstand the attacks is that it is special. If that goes away, Social Security goes away in no time flat."

Holt raised this objection to White House officials. Without naming them, he says they've basically blown him off.

"Of all the things the President seems to be willing to negotiate, I'm dismayed that the integrity of Social Security would appear to be one of them," Holt criticized. "It must be because the advisers around him don't have a s nse of history."

His pleas, he said, "fell on deaf ears or was completely ignored."

He raised these very concerns at a private Democratic caucus meeting last night. And he has an apparent ally in Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA), who's introduced a plan to his colleagues to eliminate the payroll tax holiday and replace it with a one-time check -- to refund to workers an equivalent percentage of the Social Security tax they payed in 2010.

But Democrats will have a hard time making any changes to the tax plan -- including simple ones like Sherman's. And if his effort is unsuccessful, he and Holt will have to cross their fingers and hope for the best. Or, in a worst case scenario, say "I told you so" to Democratic leaders.

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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:42 AM
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1. The course has been predetermined. It'll take much more than vocal objections
to get our squeaking voice heard these days.

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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:43 AM
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2. Of course they're ignoring him
The president WANTS it gone
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:44 AM
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3. Obama is hell bent on dismantling the New Deal for the GOP
The guy doesn't give a rat's ass about working Americans, the poor, the elderly or the disabled.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:48 AM
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8. It is hard to disagree.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:48 AM
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9. That would certainly explain a lot. nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:44 AM
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4. I don't see how can do anything but ignore holt and others
That's he has staked out - and he can't start entertaining progressives now.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:45 AM
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5. He needs to name names so the people know
Holt raised this objection to White House officials. Without naming them, he says they've basically blown him off.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:48 AM
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10. The White House does not talk to SS experts, which is a BIG problem.
None of Obama's economic advisors understand the program (or care about it). Very unsettling.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:15 PM
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21. Hard to imagine why some people get their knickers in a twist when Obama is called arrogant,
given in this and quite a few others instances that is exactly what he is.

Obama is recklessly rolling the dice going against the Social Security experts on this. It is going to unravel into a disaster of monstrous proportions for the people of this country. imo

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:23 PM
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22. It isn't that the White House doesn't talk to them -
it's that they won't listen to anyone. Obama cut Congressional Democrats out of the backroom deal he cut with Republicans. Just like he cut single payer advocates out of the health care discussions.

I'd love to know that Obama has been personally promised for selling us out. I imagine he'll do at least as well as Clinton has since leaving office.



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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:51 AM
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12. I'm sure we'd all be grateful for names but does it really matter at this point?
Actions speak louder than words.

Have any progressives actually had the opportunity to sit down with the President? Have we even been offered a place at the table to discuss our concerns?

All we ever hear about are meetings with GOP and CEOs. Perhaps the media is covering it all up and serious discussions took place but the story squashed.

Sorry, just getting frustrated.


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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:52 AM
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13. Pple are trying to explain this to the White House but clearly they don't want to hear it
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:45 AM
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6. Sherman's proposal sounds like a very reasonable alternative.
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 11:46 AM by pinto
Whether it's doable, another matter.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:48 AM
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7. Um, yeah. Cause it's dumb to worry about Social Security. Everyone has 401ks.
And if you don't have a 401k, it's probably because you are unemployed, or irresponsible with money, or old... and whose fault is THAT? You can't expect Social Security to solve all your problems.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:49 AM
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11. Hmm...401 (k)s are performing really well right? Wow, no one said SS solves problems
but it's a small supplemental income seniors can count on. Many seniors rely on it entirely since the death of pensions.
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:54 AM
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14. I think that was snark
Not always easy to tell though...
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:00 PM
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16. Snark? Me? Never!!
I agree it IS getting hard to tell the difference. Perhaps I didn't make my post clear enough. I was somewhat distracted as I typed it as my private plane was just taking off bound for Paris and my dolt of a personal assistant was spilling champagne on me! It's so hard to find good help!
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:58 AM
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15. Yeah, but even when the 401ks sank, they still had money in their hedgefunds, right?
They DID diversify, didn't they? Jesus, do these people not read the Wall Street journal? Did they not discuss investment strategies with their broker? Neanderthals!

By the time you become a senior you should have had plenty of time to grow your portfolio. The money people get from Social Security is just spending money to buy monocles and top hats.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:03 PM
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17. I'm cool with snark, just wasn't obvious to me I guess.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:11 PM
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19. .
;)

Eh... it's more fun that being angry... and less likely to get me tombstoned.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:12 PM
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20. I hear yah :)
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:03 PM
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25. The great thing about 401ks
Is it allows everyone to profit off war, big pharma, oil, denying health insurance and raping the environment. I mean sure, maybe some people don't like the idea of making money off those things but they sure as heck wont miss out on an employers matched contribution for them. And besides, if you don't know whats in your 401 why worry?
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:09 PM
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28. well, there is one worry-
if you're 401k becomes enronized. With Wallstreet, it's gambling and buyer beware 24/7. The real sad thing for the people, is even if you and your family are suffering from losses, the big boys are still rolling in the dough. Hey, they can just BET on your misery.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:05 PM
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18. Yet another thing ignored. nt
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 12:56 PM
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23. Transparency and change DC
He has slammed the door on transparency and hired every old hand in DC he could find... refuses to listen to anyone but his "trusted"advisers, we are only good enough to elect him but do not qualify as anything beyond that.
I wonder when he will start pretending to help us and count on us having as poor a memory as the rethugs base does.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 01:00 PM
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24. "fell on deaf ears or was completely ignored." --
Of course it was. Cutting SS has been this Administration's plan from the get-go. Can't let some purist/lefty get in the way of The Plan. :puke:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:47 PM
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26. Every concern of Democrats is Ignored by President Obama
Why should this be an exception?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:58 PM
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27. Disheartening
to say the least. The pattern is now so clear that I'm shocked to hear anyone on this board defend it.
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