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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:05 PM
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Republicans' 'Achilles heel', how Bill Clinton exploited it BRILLIANTLY, and how President Obama can
and how President Obama can repeat Clinton's success.

Republicans' 'Achilles heel' is TAX CUTS, any kind of tax cuts, including tax cuts that help the poor and stimulate demand in the economy.

In 2009, poor families received up to $5,657 apiece from the IRS as income tax "refunds", and even more in 23 states and DC with their own supplemental EITCs. (See http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2505 ).

On Bill Mahr's show this weekend, Salon editor Joan Walsh talked about how in the mid-90s Bill Clinton almost completely replaced federal welfare benefits for poor kids with a refundable tax credit that "phases out" steeply with income, the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit). This was a BRILLIANT move by Clinton. "Welfare" was the focus of intense Republican RAGE in the '90s. But Bill Clinton managed to REPLACE and even INCREASE welfare with an "under-the-radar" refundable tax credit that has survived and thrived for many years.

Any attempt by Republicans to get rid of the EITC would be attacked vehemently as a TAX INCREASE on the most vulnerable Americans. Most people have no idea the EITC has been in the tax code and has been expanded for almose a decade and a half. Of course, it's no use to the UNEMPLOYED poor, but it still is available to 70 or 80 percent of the poor.

As the quote below (from a recent floor speech) shows, even Orrin Hatch (R-UT), who's swung even further right since being primaried by a TeaPartier, does not DARE insist on higher income taxes for people living in poverty.

The EITC thus is a model for economic stimulus spending cloaked in a Superman's cape of "tax cuts" that Republicans have no kryptonite against. For my ideas about how the WH could propose replacing expiring Bush tax cuts with MORE progressive, job-creating, demand-stimulating tax cuts, see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1636415&mesg_id=1678270 .

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From http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/07/262890/hatch-poor-people-contribute-taxes

"Orrin Hatch Wants The Poor To Shoulder More Responsibility For Deficit Reduction By Travis Waldron on Jul 7, 2011

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) dusted off one of his favorite talking points on the Senate floor today, calling on the poor and the middle class to shoulder more of the pain of deficit reduction because they don't pay enough in taxes. ...

Hatch complained that 51 percent of Americans don't pay income taxes and hinted that what the poor and middle class pay in payroll taxes doesn't count as a contribution since it goes toward Social Security.

HATCH: 'I hear how they're so caring for the poor and so forth. The poor need jobs! And they also need to share some of the responsibility. NOW WE DON'T WANT THE REALLY POOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POVERTY TO PAY INCOME TAXES. But 51 percent of all households? And that's going up by the way because of our friend down in the White House and his allies. Watch it!"
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:19 PM
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1. Maybe Barack and Bill should put aside their mutual mistrust
and work together (through their individual strengths) to solve problems.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:09 PM
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7. That's something to look forward to
One was strong enough to torpedo welfare, champion NAFTA, and shitcan Glass-Steagall, the other one wants to take on Social Security and Medicare. I can't wait.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:13 PM
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8. Did Clinton and Obama INITIATE bad things, or, after midterm losses, did they have to
switch to harm-reduction and jiu-jitsu against ferocious, foaming-at-the-mouth Republicans?
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:33 PM
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11. If both are Repubs best friends
explain the hate from Limbaugh, Fox et al?
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:45 PM
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15. Haven't they patched things up already? Remember when Obama left Clinton in charge
when he had to leave a WH press conference early? Clinton then IMO said nothing that Obama would not have said himself.

Sure, Obama did NOT like Clinton'scompared to 1988 candidate Jeese Jackson before the SC primary. But Obama must have cut Clinton some slack after his inauguration; after all, Bill was only trying too promote Hilary's candidacy, and his own possibel third term as Co-President.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:33 AM
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22. But Bill isn't Republican enough.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:47 PM
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23. That's not what contemporary Kuciniches said about Bill Clinton
after HIS midterm loss in 1994.

Remember the term, "triangulation"? It was invented to apply to Bill Cllinton.
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rampart Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:21 PM
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2. missing meme - "broadening the tax base"
the 47% (or 50% or 51%) of americans who do not pay income tax are targeted by "conservatives" as somehow freeloading.

eitc is a part of this picture but their "fair tax" and "flat tax" proposals eliminate deductions and exemptions as well as ironing out progressivity from the tax code.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:31 PM
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3. Lack of understanding of the Welfare Reform bill pushed through by Clinton -
is one of the MOST often cited reasons why people HATE Clinton here at DU. I could provide a list of a few of the HATERS that repeatedly post such shit but I won't bother. I will just keep rolling my eyes instead.

Thanks for posting. Good info.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:38 PM
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4. Careful--Clinton DID screw poor kids whose moms lose their jobs.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 06:52 PM
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5. Yes - But the idea that Clinton hated and mistreated all lower income people
is the thing I get so tired of.

The same people who are now asking everyone to take a balanced look at Obama's policies are the same ones who refuse the same courtesy for Clinton.

When it comes to public policy nothing is perfect.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:08 PM
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6. 'When it comes to public policy nothing is perfect' Agreed. 'Politics is the art of the possible'--
--who said that?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 08:06 PM
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13. Andrew Lloyd Webber - Evita
Its a very amusing scene with various political figures playing musical chairs.

I doubt Webber originated it, however.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:22 PM
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14. LOL!
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:31 PM
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9. It's not a matter of if he CAN - he won't. n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:37 PM
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12. What's up? Uh . . . you haven't heard yet? It's not up to him at this point.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 01:48 AM
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16. Well said! LMidterm losses have consequences for what is POSSIBLE.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:30 AM
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17. When it was POSSIBLE - he didn't. The man has squandered So many good opportunities
in the first 2 years with majorities in every branch. Not buying the "oh his hands are tied" crap anymore.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:39 AM
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18. And you know absolutely everything there is about it in enough detail, to come to this conclusion.
No one else at any time had anything more than 50% of the responsibility for what happened.

No one made any mistakes nor did anyone double-cross anyone else.

You know all of the above.

And that would include any and all private information he has been given, voluntarily, by the major players involved.

And you work for whom . . . ?
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 01:09 PM
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24. I know as much as any other DUer including yourself Ms. Superior.
Personal attacks eh? IMO that means you've already lost this argument if you've got to resort to that. Buh-bye. Thank heavens for Ignore.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:42 AM
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19. There's that rightie "2 years" talking point again. + Logical flaw = It has not happened, therefore
it cannot happen, another rightie sort of thing to say.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:07 AM
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21. Republicans from Reagan on have DESTROYED much of the data-gathering capabilities
our Departments of Commerce and Labor had during the 1970s. Thus just after President Obama's inauguration, there was great uncertainty among his economists about how deep the recession he inherited from Bush was. Christina Romer, who's on Bill Mahr's show this weekend, argued for a 50 percent bigger stimulus package. Only very recently have data become available that demonstrate she was right and Larry Summers was wrong.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 02:09 PM
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25. The stimulus DID quickly turn around huge monthly private-sector job losses
monthly private-sector job losses President Obama inherited from George W Bush (first blue bar below), but healthy monthly gains trailed off as stimulus spending declined in Spring 2011:

Monthly private sector job growth through June 2011



Source: Steve Benen at http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/privatesector_job_creation_det030742.php
It REALLY bugs me when those who should know better (like Bill Mahr on his last show before September this weekend) allow right-wingers to get away with saying repeatedly, “the stimulus did not work”.

Even a shortening of a negative blue bar in the chart represents job growth instead of job losses under Obama, and the chart has been positive—NOT negative--for the last 17 straight months.

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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:38 PM
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26. Kick!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:50 AM
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20. Apparently, when you "get paid" to think a certain way, that's the ONLY way you can think, no matter
what the truth is.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 07:32 PM
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10. Reps want the marginal rates adjusted, perhaps in the manner suggested by the Progressive Caucus
Edited on Sat Aug-06-11 07:33 PM by patrice
earlier this year, but Reps also HATE Medicare Reform (since it will protect services and come instead out of payments) and of course they hate sunsetting of the BTCs next year.

I just hope the BTC sunset & the loopholes & Medicare remodeling are not traded away for those marginal rate adjustments.
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