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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:01 AM
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Obama: Something is wrong with country's politics
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 10:01 AM by defendandprotect
Obama: Something is wrong with country's politics

EXCERPTS ONLY --

A Washington Post poll released this week showed widespread and deep discontent with Washington. Nearly 80 percent said they were dissatisfied with the way the country's political system works, compared with 60 percent in November 2009. Seventy-one percent said the federal government is mostly focused on the wrong things, up from 55 percent in October 2010.

Both Obama and congressional Republicans were targets of unhappiness, with only 19 percent of people polled saying that Obama had made progress in solving the country's major problems, and just 10 percent saying that about Republicans. At the same time, 28 percent said Obama had made things worse, while 35 percent said congressional Republicans had done that.

Despite Obama's calls for urgent action on the economy, Congress has left Washington for its August recess and Obama will soon follow for his annual summer vacation in Martha's Vineyard.

Obama urged lawmakers to get to work in September and pass a series of initiatives the White House says will spur job growth, including an extension of the payroll tax cut, three free-trade agreements and funding for road and bridge construction.


http://news.yahoo.com/obama-something-wrong-countrys-politics-194019280.html


Was a wasted effort to even read what Obama said -- full article at link --

Just more of the same -- on and on -- on and on --


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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:05 AM
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1. Hey! He might be onto something here!
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 10:08 AM by deutsey
:eyes:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:05 AM
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2. If reading this was a waste, I wonder why you bothered to
post it and the link. I read it, and found it interesting, if a bit too general, overall.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:27 AM
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9. Because I think everyone should decide that for themselves ... but if they agree it's a waste ...
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 10:32 AM by defendandprotect
then, imo, it's even more urgent to begin seeking another democratic candidate

for 2012 --


Obama is not only ignoring the will of the people, he is pushing a New Dem/

Third Way agenda that has Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid in its sights --

and this follows his trampling of single payer universal health care in his

back room deals with Big Pharma and the private H/C industry.


How many more drones over Pakistan?

How many more years of wars?

How much more bankrupting of our Treasury by extending tax cuts for the rich?

How much more wiretapping and the treason of the Patriot Act?

How many more years of failing to act to restore the economy and create jobs --

other than by throwing money at corporations?


When was the last time that "homelessness" or "the poor" or "the sick" were mentioned

by this president?



On and on -- on and on --
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:48 AM
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13. Well, if you think finding a primary opponent is the answer,
time's a'wasting. So far nobody has even put out any feelers about running against President Obama in the primaries, and I doubt a suitable, electable candidate is going to appear.

It seems to me that the best approach is to work on the Congress, rather than the Presidency. Without Congress, it doesn't really matter that much who the Democratic President is. With Congress, something could actually be proposed.

Recognizing the way our system of government works seems to be the real issue. Congress initiates everything that requires legislation. Without a Congress that will initiate the legislation needed to reach the goals you mention, it's all a fucking waste of time.

I see this whole primary nonsense as something that only distracts from the real issues involved in changing things. You may disagree.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:58 AM
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15. The mask is off -- it's over --
Oh -- and I forgot to mention Obama/Duncan attacks on public education --

teachers -- unions --

That's another one you can ignore, as well!!


:rofl: -- :rofl: --


News is that our system doesn't work -- and 74% of the nation recognize that!!

Which is what triggered these inane comments by Obama!

Here's more news: "Congress is under the control of the OIL and COAL industry" --

per Al Gore in his recent Rolling Stone article --

He agrees with the public -- i.e., government is "dysfunctional" -- !!


Best move is for Obama to step down -- it's over --


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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:44 AM
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19. OK. Whatever you say.
Despite your opinion, things will continue under the current system. There aren't going to be fundamental changes in how government operates in this country in the foreseeable future. So, you may do as you please. I'll be doing something else entirely. Good luck to you.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:45 PM
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25. How encouraging.
"There aren't going to be fundamental changes in how government operates in this country in the foreseeable future."

Like the man said, you're phucked.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:46 PM
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27. Here's another thought... "We are all adrift in the same boat. And there is no way
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 08:04 PM by defendandprotect
half the boat is going to sink" --


Raul Estrada Oyuela,

Argentine Climate Negotiator, Kyoto. Japan

December 1997
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:48 PM
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28. "Congress is under control of Oil and Coal Industry" ... but it's a big yawn, huh?
:nuke:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:05 AM
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3. That's what happens when you tell the electorate to fuck off
and do the exact opposite of what they have been telling you to do.

They don't care.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:07 AM
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4. "extension of the payroll tax cut, three free-trade agreements"
That'll work. :(
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:08 AM
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5. Talk about a blinding grasp of the obvious...
Money in politics is the root of all evil. :eyes:
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:09 AM
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6. Extension of the payroll tax cut and more free trade
agreements are threats to SS and jobs
The payroll tax cut puts SS on the table and free trade helps other countries and corps but not the American worker
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:21 PM
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24. what burns me about the payroll tax cut is the trickle down part
12.1% of the payroll tax cut goes to those in the bottom 40%
26.7% of the payroll tax cut goes to those in the top 10%

27.1% goes to those in the bottom 60%
46.4% goes to those in the top 20%

The Bush/Reagan way to 'create jobs' - first give tax cuts to the rich. This will trickle down and create jobs when they spend or invest their extra money.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:14 AM
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7. Wake me when he stops talking and starts leading. n/t
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 08:32 PM
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30. Ditto. nt
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:27 AM
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8. No, there are 2 problems with politics
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 10:27 AM by vi5
1) One of the two major political parties is absolutely crazed and willing to take the country to the brink of, if not completely over the line to destruction.
2) The other major political party has elected leaders who are either so delusional or so naive to think that they can negotiate with, reach across the aisle to, or compromise in any way with the other political party.

Also too, money. Both parties agree on that. They loves it, and they both want it.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:31 AM
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10. He and his ardents are stuck on this 'both parties' blame thing.
Never is it the Republican radicals. Oh, no. It is 'something is wrong'. As if Obama was the only Democrat who does not know what is wrong. He is starting to sound sort of stupid. " Mystery problem in politics which must be solved at once, but there is still time for our class to take a nice lavish vacation. So it is pressing, but not pressing pressing. It can't wait, but it can wait for the vacay."
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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:39 AM
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11. I'm quick to criticize, so I'll be quick to praise too.
Funding for road and bridge construction would help the economy, as would extending the payroll tax cut. Both measures would be stimulative. There are things about both issues I could nitpick about, but right now I'll just be happy the President is saying things that are true from the perspective of Econ 101.

As for the trade agreements, I'm on the fence. If they are with other first-world economies, and the terms are fair, then they too would be helpful in the long-term.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:43 AM
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12. Why not focus on getting OUR message out? He is the problem.
We need leadership. I am afraid that we will have to re-take the white house in 2012 to get it.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:51 AM
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14. NO SHIT
stop telling us what we already know. Actually he's telling us less than we know. We know it's the fault of particular actors, but it would hurt Obama's brand to speak that obvious truth.

He's leaving room for people to think it's the Democrats' fault if that's what they want to believe.
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jimmyflint Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:08 AM
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16. Any time I see Free-trade,
I just assume American workers get fucked. These people didn't care about jobs two years ago, and they will have a hard time convincing me they give a shit now. As far as I am concerned, they can shove their republican ideas,banker bailouts,tax cuts,and free-trade up their ass. They don't give a shit about the poor,homeless,and jobless. I don't give a shit about the rich,bankers,and warmongers. We are just different I guess.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:41 AM
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17. 3 FTAs ........
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:43 AM
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18. He will soon be out of excuses. Alien invasion?
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 11:45 AM by Safetykitten
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:45 AM
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20. He's correct. Politics only works for those with money.
Lots and lots of money.
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BackToThe60s Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:47 AM
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21. Ya think???
:rofl:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:49 AM
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22. He could stop with jobs killing the free trade agreements and the SS gutting
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 11:51 AM by myrna minx
payroll tax holiday for starters. Talk about tone deaf. Yeah - it's never the tea baggers fault, it's "everyone".
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:56 AM
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23. Obama sounds like he's quickly becoming friendless. Maybe he should step aside? (nt)
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:30 PM
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26. What's wrong is politicians who get us hoping for change, then deliver more of the same.
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 07:34 PM by Fly by night
Look in the mirror, Mr. Obama.

Then look at the speeches you gave in 2008 when you were pimping for our votes and compare them with the policies your administration has pursued.

You have done more to weaken the progressive sentiment in this country than the Smirking Chimp ever did. Because you proved that, no matter who we vote for, we still get a corporate sock-puppet in the end. And it's been that way since our last honorable President, Jimmy Carter.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:58 PM
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29. Exactly.
... +100000
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