One in four Democrats wants to dump Obama

[Synicus Maximus]

Source: Washington Examiner


A new poll by CNN and ORC International finds that 27 percent of Democrats would like to see their party nominate a candidate other than Barack Obama for president in 2012.

In response to the question, "Do you think the Democratic party should renominate Barack Obama as the party's candidate for president in 2012, or do you think the Democratic party should nominate a different candidate for president in 2012?" -- 72 percent said they wanted to see Obama renominated. But 27 percent, slightly more than one in every four, said they wanted to see Democrats nominate a different candidate. One percent had no opinion.

Read more: http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/one-four-democrats-wants-dump-obama

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I'm not sure I buy this I know it is not a great source But if true, who would be a progressive candidate that could beat him?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. But three out of four don't.

[blue neen]

3. .

:yourock:

[Born Free]

40. We don't do polls, so we are never counted

Every democrat that I personally know is unhappy with Obama, we talk about a primary challenger all the time. No one is saying they will vote for the republicans, only they are extremely unhappy with Obama. This is the same thing that was said about the democrats last election after the health care fiasco and we know how well that worked out for democrats. Yea, they may get the votes from their base, but nothing else, forget the donations and time etc. These days when the GOP base starts up many of the democrats I know just walk away, no fight left. The thought is why fight for them when they forget who we are once they are in. Obama has some serious problems, and some may just ignore it, but if he doesn't soon stand up and show some backbone he will be another one term president like Jimmy Carter.

[cliffordu]

52. Funny - everyone I know is dissatisfied with Obama

but will vote for him again because they understand that the chickenshits that stayed home last year and let the Republicans take back the house are partially to blame for our current mess.

That and the mass fail of the blue dog psuedodems that pile on to the R bandwagon every time they can get off their knees.

The Prez is one dude. He has the pulpit but not much else.

Congress is the real group of shitheads, and blaming Obama doesn't change that one fucking bit.

And anyone claiming to be an activist or a big time politico or even an expert on a fucking message board on the innernets should know that,

apparently that isn't printed on cheeto bags, so it is irrelevant.....

[blue neen]

55. Your thoughts and sentiments are well-stated, and I understand what you are saying.

I will not, however, support information in an OP that uses the Washington Examiner and Byron York, especially, as sources.

Here is why:

http://old.nationalreview.com/york/york200504060800.asp

York is a neo-con tool.

[MrTriumph]

9. Obama can't win with 25% (and probably way more) of the base unhappy. Nor should he.

x

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. No challenger could win with 72% of the base unhappy that they stood against Obama

Your statement can be argued against; mine is, I think, bleedin' obvious.

'Nor should he' would seem, on the face of it, to mean you're happy that the Republicans win the next presidential election. Because, to be realistic, an independent isn't going to do so, and neither is any Democratic challenger.

[TheWraith]

30. Yes, he can. Two thirds of Dems in 1994 wanted Clinton primaried.

Nobody primaried him, and he destroyed the Republican in his reelection campaign.

"Someone on a phone poll saying 'sure, I would like to see a primary'" isn't the same thing as not being ready to vote for him in a New York minute. Doubly so when Obama is at his lowest point, before the Republicans take their crazy to the national level.

[FarLeftFist]

37. Are we assuming ONLY Democrats answered this poll? Probably alot of freepers joined in as well.

[DaveJ]

39. These are registered Democrats who supported someone else in the first primary

Hillary and Kucinich supporters alone account for this 27%.

[pnorman]

17. But three out of four don't.

want a Reptilican in the White House in 2013!

[wisteria]

26. +1 n/t

[Cirque du So-What]

2. WELL! If 25% are in favor, we MUST primary the President!

After all, 25% is more than...oh, wait...

[DontTreadOnMe]

4. Simple Math... if you lose 25% of your own DEM support, you wil lose

the National Election.

25% disapproval in your own Party is atrocious. You can white wash it all you want, but Obama is beginning to look like a weak candidate.

[Cirque du So-What]

6. Even simpler math

25 < 75

[24601]

8. Don't worry, his aunt & uncle plan to vote for him. n/t

[Lunabelle]

5. There will be no primary

I will hold my nose and vote for him.

[lib2DaBone]

15. There MUST be a Primary.. it's the only hope for the party...

[CakeGrrl]

7. Hey, it must be time for the 1,257,506th Primary Challenger Post!

Whatta coincidence...this just popped up on GD: P.

Gotta love the stuff dredged up from the RW.

Someone should really keep stats on how many of these posts and polls go up between now and the Dem convention.

:rofl:

[Tx4obama]

10. Breaking News: 75% percent of Democrats would like to see OBAMA as their party candidate

GO'bama !!!



:)

[Enrique]

11. Byron York

one of the most bogus RW propagandists out there. Definitely not LBN material, probably not DU material, especially if you're taking it seriously.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Yup. He's a Faux "News" contributor, among other things.

[blue neen]

19. Published in the Washington Examiner.

Imagine that...

[nobodyspecial]

13. and they all post here

[Number23]

57. +a brazillion

[april]

16. He is not the Presedent I voted for ...But I did vote for him.

[pam4water]

18. Is that all? That makes 3 out of 4 Democrats low information voters. Shame on them.

[HomerRamone]

23. agreed nt

[placton]

27. yes 3 of 4 are not watching what

O is doing

[JTFrog]

48. Hope you dont get any nosebleeds way up there.

:eyes:

Gotta love finger wagging better than thou posts.

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[Gregorian]

24. 4 out of 4 don't want a Republican in office.

Which ultimately means that 4 out of 4 will vote to reelect him if there is any chance a Replicant may end up in office.

[SoapBox]

32. LOLOLOL! You are SO correct!

Ya...if a TRUE Progressive was in the mix AND could win...hell yes I would vote for them.

BUT...If it is the President vs. Crazy Perry or Money Grubbing Mittens?

Obama!

[Raffi Ella]

25. Unrec

#Obama2012

[frazzled]

28. 66% of Democrats wanted to primary Bill Clinton in 1994

Yes, a full 2/3 of them. Yet he was the candidate and won handily. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/democrats-cool-to-a-primary-challenger-against-obama/2011/07/11/gIQANh2Y8I_blog.html

That Obama is getting only a 27% response to this question puts him in good stead.

Sorry, but anyone wanting to make anything out of this is not going to get very far on the facts.

[whathehell]

36. They should have..

on the basis of his record, at least...He wasn't much

better than Obama, in my book.

[INdemo]

42. That is just not true..

In 1994 Clinton had a very high approval rating..Going into the election Clinton had about 4% polling ahead of Dole..Then Of course he won by a much larger margin and sent Dole into political exile.

[jeff47]

49. 1994 is not 2011.

President Clinton had just taken a massive drubbing in the 1994 elections, and just fallen on his face with health care reform. He recovered, mostly due to a fantastic economy and the two full years before the next election.

We're down to about 1 year before this election, the economy is abysmal and Obama's team is proposing to do nothing that will help significantly. He needs about 90% of Democrats behind him to have a chance of winning in 2012, because independents are going to vote mostly based on the economy.

[MannyGoldstein]

29. So if only Dems voted, and we voted today, we're all set. However...

Only one-third of voters are Democratic, and the vast majority of the other voters think him incompetent at best. And the economy is getting even worse, so things will likely go downhill from here.

Running Obama is playing Russian Roulette.

[robcon]

43. You mean you think Democrats will vote for Romney or Perry?

Not a chance. Dems will vote for the president.

[MannyGoldstein]

46. Methinks you're misreading what I wrote

Or I didn't write it well.

In any case, I agree with you if we voted today. I also remember Reagan Democrats.

[jeff47]

50. Dems are only about 1/3rd of the electorate.

They can all vote for Obama and he could still lose.

"It's the economy, stupid." Still is. That's why the Republicans are working their butts off to destroy the economy, and Obama followed them over the cliff.

[robcon]

58. Yes, independents will determine the election, as usual.

Dems will vote for the president. Repugs will vote for their nominee. The election will be decided by those who are neither Dem nor Repug.

[SoapBox]

31. Who the hell is "ORC International"?

...and which RushTurds are behind them?

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[sufrommich]

34. I understand Byron York trying to spin a poll using a headline

like that,DU not so much.

[shraby]

35. That would be great thinking! Divide the Dem vote and let

the republican win.

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[rpannier]

38. I'd be curious about those numbers for Reagan in 1983

He was pretty damned unpopular as well
I'm guessing it was in the high 20's to low 30's
Yet he won

I would also add that because people don't want him to be renominated does not mean they won't vote for him in the GE
I didn't want him to be the nominee in '08, but I voted for him in the GE

[DaveJ]

45. Reagan's approval was 42%, Disapproval 54%

I just did a Google News search for 1983. It pulls up scanned newspapers:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MCRKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OiINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2167,5502484&dq=reagan+approval&hl=en

Edit: Obama's current approval (43.4%) is currently higher than Reagan's was.

[tritsofme]

47. Reagan drove back toward 50% in the fall of 1983 and didn't look back.

Date Organization Approve DisapproveNo Opinion Sample Size

12/9-12/83 Gallup 54 38 8 1510
11/18-21/83 Gallup 53 37 10 1504
10/21-24/83 Gallup 49 41 10 1549
10/7-10/83 Gallup 45 44 11 1503
9/16-19/83 Gallup 48 42 10 1533
9/9-12/83 Gallup 47 42 11 1574
8/19-22/83 Gallup 43 46 11 1506
8/12-15/83 Gallup 43 45 12 1534
8/5-8/83 Gallup 44 46 10 1497
7/29-8/1/83 Gallup 44 42 14 1565
7/22-25/83 Gallup 42 47 11 1567
6/24-27/83 Gallup 47 44 9 1558
6/10-13/83 Gallup 43 45 12 1503
5/20-23/83 Gallup 46 43 11 1534
5/13-16/83 Gallup 43 45 12 1540
4/29-5/2/83 Gallup 43 46 11 1517
4/15-18/83 Gallup 41 49 10 1509
3/11-14/83 Gallup 41 49 10 1558
2/25-28/83 Gallup 40 50 10 1540
1/28-31/83 Gallup 35 56 9 1555

http://webapps.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Reagan#.Tlwyc6iLONc

Reagan also had the benefit of an unemployment rate that was rapidly decreasing:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1981 7.5 7.4 7.4 7.2 7.5 7.5 7.2 7.4 7.6 7.9 8.3 8.5
1982 8.6 8.9 9.0 9.3 9.4 9.6 9.8 9.8 10.1 10.4 10.8 10.8
1983 10.4 10.4 10.3 10.2 10.1 10.1 9.4 9.5 9.2 8.8 8.5 8.3
1984 8.0 7.8 7.8 7.7 7.4 7.2 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.4 7.2 7.3



An advantage the Obama administration cannot count on.

[JJW]

41. 3/4 Repugs blindly followed Bush

3/4 Dems blindly follow Obama. Neither of the two could give a hoot about these blind followers. Both are two busy serving the top five percents' lobbyist demands.

[humbled_opinion]

44. The only candidate that I will vote for

is the one that will not cut social security and medicare benefits (PERIOD).

If that is the Green candidate or the Socialist candidate or the Democratic candidate then they will get my vote, my monetary support, and my canvassing support.

[Steerpike]

51. President Obama

is merely fullfilling his designated roll as bookmark until a Republican can re-enter the White House.

No huge changes...maintain the status quo. He will protect what the corporations deem precious and for appearances throw loaves of bread to the desperate crowds. His roll as buffer to the ultra rich will be his legacy, and that is all it was ever meant to be.

[DeSwiss]

53. K&R

Like a CEO

We have all seen this before. It is announced that a new CEO has been hired by a major corporation. He (or she) makes a lot of promises during the initial press conference. The company will be better and stronger. We will become more competitive. The CEO promises that the corporation will return to the top of the ladder and shareholders are filled with high hopes.

But things don't go as promised. The new CEO lays off a significant chunk of the workforce and sells some underperforming divisions. He convinces the shareholders to buy up a few competitors for a staggering amount of money. But the new purchases don't help the firm's sagging market prices long-term. In fact, in a short amount of time, though the company is doing worse than before, we read that the CEO has been rewarded with a new compensation package worth gazillions of dollars.

What is the typical response of the public, in general, and progressives, in particular? They stomp their feet, gnash their teeth and say, "Is this company crazy? The CEO should have been fired, not rewarded!" Yet, the same progressives who decry the way the corporate world is run plan to use this same rationale to convince others to reelect Barack Obama!

Like the CEO, Obama made oodles of promises that he has failed to keep. Like the CEO, a good chunk of the workforce has received pink slips under his watch. Like the CEO, Obama wants to sell off public assets that he says the "private sector" can manage better. Like the CEO, he has showered corporations with gobs and gobs of taxpayer dollars, yet the national economy has shown little, if any, improvement.

If you really believe the CEO deserves the boot, shouldn't the same be said for the president?

August 29, 2011
http://ramblingtaoist.blogspot.com/2011/08/like-ceo.html">The Rambling Taoist

[YBR31]

54. Clinton's numbers weren't very good and he did pretty well among Dems

In November, 1994 57% wanted to renominate Clinton while 32% wanted a different candidate. Granted the poll was earlier in the process but it's the reference poll cited in this poll. I'm not saying 1996 is 2012 or Obama is Clinton.

[Kablooie]

56. Yeah, but would they rather have Bachmann or Perry as their president for 4 to 8 years?

[scheming daemons]

59. In the poll, that 1 in 4 are overwhelmingly MODERATE... Liberals want to keep Obama

Obama needs to win back moderates.

[LWolf]

60. I'd happily take any "old" Democrat. nt

[spanone]

62. always look at the bright side of life

[CRK7376]

63. Not this

Democrat. Can he make better decisions and implement new policies certainly. But I'll stick with President Obama for 2012.

[MrScorpio]

64. I'd rather dump the Republicans out of Congress instead

But that just puts me in three out of four category.