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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:47 AM
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To All the Other Animals' Dismay, The Pigs Were Seen Now Standing.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 12:54 AM by David Zephyr
Jim Conte's amazing graphic below pretty much sums it all up for me these days. It's just the way it is. George Orwell saw it all long ago. Here's a link to Mr. Conte's website: http://www.jimconte.com/

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:50 AM
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1. An actual real-life animal farm...
and standing proudly, too.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:03 AM
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4. A picture is worth a thousand words.
;-)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:16 AM
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12. Yep!
All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others...
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:55 AM
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2. Then they put on top hats and tails.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:05 AM
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6. Looks like they are punching a hippie.
Great graphic. Thanks, phasma ex machina.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:02 AM
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3. Perfect.
Would make an awesome t-shirt.

Recommended.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:05 AM
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5. We had to read Animal Farm in High School
and I loved the Animation of it. Yes, he was spot on, that this is how things would begin to look.
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Agent William Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:16 PM
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28. ''we had to read Animal Farm''
no no, you GOT to read Animal Farm... lol, I know you mean though. I wish that book would have been in my school curriculum. This was a fantastic metaphor for the Soviet Revolution. It's amazing how well Orwell analysed the unfolding of socialist ideals, IMO

:hi:
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:30 PM
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32. Well
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 07:40 PM by AsahinaKimi
There was a list of required reading and then we had to submit our list of books that we wanted to read. One of the books on the required list that year was HIROSHIMA by
John Hersey. It was one of those books that stayed with me most of my life.. I don't even recall the books I chose, however I do recall reading Animal Farm, and Charles Dicken's book Great Expectations, Herman Melville's Moby Dick and Ray Bradburry's Fahrenheit 451, George Orwell's 1984, among others...


Oh, now I do recall one of my chosen books; James Clavell's Shogun.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:09 AM
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7. I think George
Harrison wrote a song about this.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:11 AM
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8. You mean the one on the White Album?
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 01:11 AM by David Zephyr
"stirring up the dirt..." ;)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:27 AM
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13. "...in their starch white shirts"
The best Beatles album, in my humble opinion.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:05 AM
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15. "clutching forks and knives....
to eat their bacon..."

There is no better album to be found.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:11 AM
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9. Another great thread.
K&R

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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:14 AM
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10. Time to bring home some BACON! -NT
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nenagh Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:14 AM
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11. Is that Mitch in the middle?
Note to self: If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all.

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:50 AM
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14. I think that's an apt metaphor today.
The pigs were communists. Today we have lefties like Jane Hamsher and Ralph Nader doing the work that Republicans want done, so it woefully applies today; they are the pigs of today.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:12 AM
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16. centrists and moderates are, democratic ones. nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:15 AM
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17. comic genius!
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:10 AM
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19. oh yeah! those lefties blowing up babies and sucking up trillions of working families $$
you surely cannot be serious?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:53 AM
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20. Without Nader, there would not have been the Bush* tax cuts nor the Iraq war. n/t
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:56 AM
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21. dupe
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 09:57 AM by Jakes Progress
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:58 AM
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23. What did I get wrong? n/t
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:04 AM
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25. ROFL
Just off the top of my head and without giving the matter any thought at all, how many babies died under Clinton's draconian sanctions against Iraq? How much of the people's wealth continued to flow to the upper few %? How many East Timorese died with Carter's support? I don't know what world you live in, but in the one I see there's no more than a few, powerless voices in DC opposing the militarism and money policies that got us here. Once upon a time the Ds threw a few scraps and bones to the hoi polloi to quiet us if we got too rowdy. Now, they can't even give the jobless unemployment and are complicit in the dismantling of anything resembling the common or social good. But just keep blaming those lefties!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:58 AM
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22. I used to have students who didn't understand the book too.
So don't feel too bad about getting your connections so completely wrong.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:58 AM
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24. What did I get wrong? n/t
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 05:53 PM
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26. Your need to attack the left
has colored your reading. The ones doing the bidding of the republicans are the centrist blue dogs, the dlc, and this administration.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:33 AM
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18. Worth a thousand words. nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:05 PM
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27. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, David Zephyr.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:27 PM
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29. Napoleon is always right. (n/t)
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:39 PM
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30. Not communists, authoritarians
Technically, all the animals in the book were communists and staged a worker's revolution. The pigs corrupted the revolution and set themselves up as the privileged class. Animal Farm is a great book, but the pigs are a very strong metaphor for authoritarian abuse--you can't simply plug in your target enemy and say they are the pigs. Nader and other voices on the left "may" have had a role in Bush becoming president (I don't think it was the main reason, but that is another discussion). For Nader to be an Animal Farm pig, he'd have had to have won himself, then corrupted the movement he used to gain power...
The republicans are not the pigs (they are pigs, just not Animal Farm pigs). They are not promising a worker's paradise then exploiting the worker...they are the farmer who the animals revolted against. The closest analogy could be Obama and the mainstream Democrats, but of course they have done none of the pig-like behaviors in regards to gaining power--if anything, they've allowed the farmer to take over the farm again.
So, in essence, Animal Farm is a powerful story, but it doesn't really fit the dynamics of the current climate.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:50 PM
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31. Off To The Greatest With You
Ok, so you're already there, but it sounds so good.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:32 PM
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33. Welcome to 1984
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