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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:56 AM
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A few comments on NC's Dem Heath Shuler, and his long meeting with tea party.
I promised someone I would transcribe a bit about Shuler from Ari Berman's book called Herding Donkeys. I felt so bad for the Democrats who worked for him and elected him to office. He appeared to have treated them with contempt while embracing the right wing.

Ari presents the scenario from 2009 when Shuler was having lunch with Democratic supporters. From page 210. They asked him about the public option.

When asked why he didn't support a public insurance option to compete with private insurers, Shuler repeatedly said it didn't have enough votes to pass the House.


He was then asked why he did not personally support it.

Shuler cited the "waste, fraud and abuse" in Medicare--a popular right wing talking point--and claimed, erroneously, it turned out that certain doctors in the rural parts of his district wouldn't accept it. He said he trusted private insurers to run health care better than the government.


In 2006 some Democrats asked to sign a shirt with Democratic policies listed. One said:

"I was so proud to have the T-shirt you signed," she told him at the meeting, holding up the shirt, "and I want to add universal health care to that list"

Shuler just rolled his eyes. When Todd Neel, a nurse practitioner who worked with hospice patients, pressed Shuler on the public option, the congressman turned to his right-hand man, Randy Flack, and said loudly, "This is like talking to a brick wall."


And this part shows such disrespect to those who got him elected. Rahm's hand-picked guy was polite to the tea party and met with them. He had totally disowned those who elected him, and "he never even said thank-you for the food."

From Page 211:

Shuler seemed to get on better with WNC's right-wing Tea Party movement, whom he warmly met with for over an hour that August promising to vote against health care legislation in the House.


Not a good way to repay those who elected you.

Here is more about how Rahm hand-picked him, he did more than just pick him...he pressured him to run.

Shuler considered running as a Republican, but Rahm won him over to be a Democrat.

"A MACHO MAKEOVER

All of Emanuel’s scolding and cajoling would have meant nothing if he fielded weak candidates. After yet another devastating loss in 2004, he and other Democratic leaders quickly determined that the party needed a machismo implant. Emanuel looked for candidates with strong backgrounds, from sheriffs to soldiers, to counteract a Democratic image of softness.

This is why he badly wanted Heath Shuler, a former football star, to run for Congress as a Democrat in North Carolina. An evangelical Christian who opposes abortion, Shuler couldn’t easily have his views caricatured by the GOP. But Shuler was worried that if he ran and won, he would never see his two young children. To prove that congressmen do spend time with their children, Emanuel started calling Shuler in early 2005 whenever he was with his own family.

Shuler would pick up the phone and hear, “It’s Rahm. I’m at a soccer game with my kids. Just wanted you to know that.” Or “It’s Rahm. I’m at a kindergarten play now. Talk to you soon.” Shuler received perhaps 10 such calls. Of course, this also illustrated that whenever Emanuel was with his family, he was working.


In any case, Shuler agreed to jump in the race, challenging a 16-year incumbent and becoming one of the Democrats’ hottest candidates. “I was recruited from high school to play college football, I was recruited by almost every college in the country, and then I was recruited into the NFL,” said Shuler, a former Washington Redskins quarterback.


One other incident from page 14, where Shuler walked out on Democrats claiming he had to baby-sit his kids.

Shuler showed up at one of the chair meetings that July. Once again, he criticized Pelosi and the Democrats' health care bill, saying he hadn't been adequately consulted....Shuler stayed for 15 minutes and left, saying he had to go babysit his kids.


Our Florida Democrats have been like that for over a decade now. It's very frustrating.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:59 AM
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1. as one of those NC-11 democrats
which helped him get elected... he is better than the crap we had before... ideal? no... can he reach people on both sides here in this weird place? yes
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:01 AM
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2. It would bother me that he showed such respect to the Tea Party...
and rolled his eyes at his own party members.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 11:56 AM
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8. How much time did you spend dealing with Chainsaw Charlie?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:55 PM
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11. If you mean chaingang charlie, I often criticized him...
for giving away our state to developers. Do a search on my name and Crist.

As to preferring him over Rubio as senator? Hands down I would. But I won't say how I voted, that would be dangerous indeed.

I have been quite critical of Crist.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:39 PM
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13. I mean Chainsaw Charlie Taylor
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:01 PM
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12. Charlie Crist was also elected as a republican
then left the party and became NPA, so he never betrayed any democrats.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:40 PM
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14. I don't mean Florida's Crist; I mean the former NC-11 Rep, Taylor
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 11:31 PM
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16. I didn't mind that he acted like a Republican. He was one.
There's a difference.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:11 AM
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18. and there's the rub
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:28 AM
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4. I was supposed to PM the person with this info, but can't find the post.
The post with his name in it is in the newly archived GD newer posts that are not accessible that I can find. So I hope that person sees this. Sorry about forgetting the name.

Anyway doesn't hurt to know that a major congressional Dem is meeting with the tea party.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:16 AM
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20. That's me!! Thanks so much for remembering, I have similar info for NC-08
I'll take a minute to look for the articles and add them here.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:30 AM
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5. I'm just glad I live in the 4th Congressional district.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:36 AM
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6. Shows that a great high school quarterback doesn't translate into success in college or the pros.
Going by his policies, the guy hasn't learned a thing since high school.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 11:35 AM
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7. Agreed, and his stance on immigration was on par with Tancredo.
Heath Shuler featured on Tancredo's website.

"This is Tom Tancredo's website, dedicated to securing our nation's border. Other names which grace that website's front page are:

Tony Blankley
Peter Brimelow
Pat Buchanan
Ann Coulter
John Derbyshire
Marcus Epstein
Mark Krirkorian
Heather MacDonald
Michelle Malkin
John O'Sullivan
Steve Sailer
Robert Samuelson
Phyllis Schlafly
Thomas Sowell
Diana West"

His plan was very punitive toward immigrants.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:26 PM
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9. Oops make that page 214, not 14.
I refer to the last paragraph of the OP about leaving after 15 minutes. Sorry about the mistake.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:33 PM
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10. Remember: Shuler was a big-shot sports star
At least in his own mind, he was the second coming of Troy Aikman or Joe Montana. He's used to being stroked, and his sports star cachet gives him the sort of credibility only afforded to celebrities (cf. Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger, et al). He doesn't have to know anything, he just has to look pretty and let everyone tell him how wonderful he is.

Maybe, and this is a big maybe, his incumbency will get more people in North Carolina accustomed to seeing a Democrat in office, and the party can soon field a real candidate to replace Mr. Shuler.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:44 PM
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15. Shuler sucked as a QB, and was perpetual Gatorbait.
That is all.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 07:03 AM
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17. I live, and vote, in Shuler's district.
While his blue-dogedness frustrates me, he's better than Charles "Chainsaw Charlie" Taylor we had before who was on track to be in the House for the rest of his life.

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 11:04 AM
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19. The day after the election..
he(Shuler) went on Morn joe and bragged about how now THEY have a majority and how they now could stop Obama,Pelosi and the Liberal Democrats.

I can't stand his in your face bullshit when he said that, I watch as no one said nothing about it and acted like this was normal. The media always asks the Democrats why if they have a majority why can't they past legislation,the Dem usually stumbles all over him or herself trying to explain as everyone pretends and have been pretending since Jan 2009,that they don't know why the President can't get anything he wants done.

Some of it is racism in the Democratic Party even though many will be quick to deny it,we all know it and they all know it. Bush gets angry as hell because ,whatshisname said he doesn't like black people. He doesn't appreciate it,I think that those people who couldn't feed their children,wash their asses,etc..for six days,didn't APPRECIATE THAT EITHER!!!

He knows,when he was trying to get the healthcare bill done he saw then,who was on his side. No matter how many seats the republiCONS win they will always have at least half of our so called Dems. They are all stepping up now to fight for their REAL party the "REPUBLICON PARTY"

Kiss my ass BLUEDOGS!!!
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:00 PM
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21. Articles about Larry Kissell, the Tea Party, and district Democrats
Similar kind of priorities between Kissell and Shuler.

http://www2.independenttribune.com/news/2010/mar/12/tea-party-holds-rally-support-kissell-ar-74298/
http://www.wethepeoplenc.org/news.htm


"passed out blank postcards for participants to write messages of support to Kissell, thanking him for voting against the health care bill being debated in Congress...

Kissell's staff welcomed the ralliers, sent out cookies to the parking lot and took any postcards that were brought in, said Haven Kerchner, Kissell's communications director."


In this case, cookies for the Tea Party. I happen to know that a group of Democrats from the district went to this same office to ask Kissell to support the healthcare reform bill. They were told 'thank you for your comments, we'll make sure they get in the system'. No cookies. That might seem like a small non-important thing but I have a feeling they don't keep cookies in Congressional offices, I sense that this was planned (yes they know when the Tea Party gets the word out about going to one of Kissell's offices). Official statements are planned out, they convey the message that helps with their strategy. It is an official message from his office that they greeted the Tea Party with cookies. What? It burns me that they give this group credibility and instead of educating them on all the lies they spread about Healthcare Reform, they affirm their crazy with positive reinforcement.

Ha Ha, I found this article that shows this same group went on to endorse D'Annunzio in their primary and Larry Johnson in the election. This is the comment of Lori Stradler who is in the local chapter of We The People (Tea Party). In the article above they said they would make sure Kissell was voted out if he did support the bill, didn't say they would vote for him if he didn't.

http://www.conservativenc.com/index.php/home/9-featured/2691-tea-party-activists-add-support-to-harold-johnson-campaign

“I am supporting Harold Johnson for the 8th District Congressional seat because he truly represents the values and character of the Tea Party Movement. Harold Johnson is first and foremost, a man of integrity whose word I can trust. Without character and integrity a man’s words are meaningless” said Lori Stadler. “If the Presidential election showed us anything, it was that a person’s past is extremely relevant when deciding on who to vote for. In addition, he is a fiscal conservative, believes in limited government, cutting government spending, and most importantly, upholding our constitution.”


I'm sorry, I can't find a link to the article that came out about the same time where some local Union Reps came to the same office to ask Kissell to support the HCR bill. They were steamed, the main point in their comments were that they met with Kissell personally before the election ('08) and he said he would support healthcare reform. They wanted him to keep his promise. I believe they met in the parking lot of this same office and again, no cookies or anything were brought out for that rally.

This is all about doing what's right for our state and this country, not cozying up to people who aren't anywhere near the same page as the people who put him into office.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:26 PM
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23. Interesting articles. Bad enough to see the Republicans cater to tea party...
But now even our Democrats in red states are having to do so.

:-(

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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:43 PM
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25. I don't think they have to, and that's what frustrates so many of us
I've heard from old school dems and progressives that no one expects far right Republicans to vote for a Democrat, even if they vote for their issues. This is just a case of aligning themselves (Shuler and Kissell) with questionable characters and not them that brung em. Lie down with dogs and all those sayings.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:27 PM
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26. Embracing the right...
ignoring the left. That's become a pattern. You are right, they won't vote for them.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:06 PM
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22. "waste, fraud and abuse" -HAHAHA we heard that all the time with Christine O'Donnell
And when Blitzer asked her how she'd cut the deposit without saying "waste, fraud and abuse" she STILL said "waste, fraud and abuse" .

That's such a Tea Party thing.

BTW if Shuler went republican I say good riddance!
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 07:26 PM
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27. Well, yes
"And when Blitzer asked her how she'd cut the deposit without saying 'waste, fraud and abuse' she STILL said 'waste, fraud and abuse'."

Yes, but she didn't say she'd FIGHT waste, fraud, and abuse - she's just describing their tactics. How do the republicans respond to ANY issue regarding government?

You got it - waste, fraud, and abuse.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:32 PM
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24. He always did throw a lot of balls to the other team
:eyes:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:52 PM
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28. Kicked&Recommended...
:kick:
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