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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:11 PM
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This government is now in the business of killing it's own citizens, ala THE DEATH PENALTY
And there are DU'ers applauding it. Tonight, DU stands with Newt Gingrich, and SUPPORTS the Death Penalty. DU supports the State killing one of its own citizens. Gingrich says if the President wills it, you should die... Gingrich said “The president signed an order to kill them. That was due process.” Do you stand with Newt? Really? Seriously?

The bottom line is this: If you run afoul of the United States government, you risk taking a Hellfire missile fired by someone almost 9,000 miles away, right up your ass. NO indictment, NO trial, NO questions. Just a missile, fired by someone with NO skin in the game, RIGHT. UP. YOUR. ASS.

Constitutional Rights for American Citizens be damned.

Fuck the comparisons with OBL. HE wasn't an AMERICAN CITIZEN.

This government is now in the business of killing it's own citizens, ala THE DEATH PENALTY, and there are people here applauding it. Who'd a thunk it?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:13 PM
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1. That's always been its business
Edited on Fri Sep-30-11 08:13 PM by ixion
from the Native American Genocide on forward.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:14 PM
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2. I guess the thing that burns my ass is that now the policy has the BLESSING of progressives.
Is that not troubling?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:19 PM
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6. people who support the Bush Doctrine are progressive in name only
but neocon in practice.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:25 PM
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12. NOT my blessing!
But it disturbs me to see the mental gymnastics some are undergoing to defend a continuation of Bush era doctrine.

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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:15 PM
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3. He gave up his protections from this Country when he committed acts of War against it.
Edited on Fri Sep-30-11 08:15 PM by YellowCosmicSun
In your Ivory Tower, you have the luxury of screeching that he should have been given due process.

Ask yourself,
would he have insisted upon the same thing if you were his prisoner?
Or would you just be another headless corpse?

He didn't want to be an American.
Why should we treat him like one?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:26 PM
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13. because that is the founding principle of this nation
would be why.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:32 PM
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14. The founding principle of this Country is not being protected while committing war on it.
It's called treason, and it is punishable by death.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:35 PM
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15. if there is due process
that is not the case here.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:43 PM
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21. He got the due process the law called for. He was a military target, under the War Powers Act
invoked on September 18, 2001.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:46 PM
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22. so you support the Bush Doctrine
interesting.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:48 PM
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23. why bend every word someone says to you? is that the only way to defend your position?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:50 PM
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24. There's no defense involved. It's a matter of fact.
You're the one who mentioned 2001, and that was when the Bush Doctrine was used to justify an endless, unwinnable war.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:02 PM
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27. What do you mean the Bush Doctrine? He didn't kill al-Awlaki or Bin Laden.
Had he, we might not have had preemptive WAR.....

Think about it. A targeted strike to OBL in 2001/2002 might have stopped the Iraq war.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:38 PM
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19. Outing CIA agents in the field is treasonous as well
sooooooooo why hasn't this individual been met with such "justice"?

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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:41 PM
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20. This is your reason for defending al_Awlaki? Cheney didn't get killed?
Let me know when you have suspended Ludicrous Speed.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:06 PM
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29. So the rule of law applies differently
for U.S. citizens? Is that you your reasoning? Shall I give you some crayons and a coloring book so I can show you how to connect the dots?

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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:16 PM
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4. Justice was served
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:20 PM
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No, barbarianism was served
justice didn't enter into it.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:21 PM
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9. Are you declaring him an innocent jihadist?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:22 PM
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10. No, I'm saying he was denied due process
which is the foundation of justice.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:36 PM
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16. So sue the federal government
and let the Supreme Court decide whether his rights were violated.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:38 PM
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18. They were violated. There was no due process. It is that simple
maybe you'll feel differently when your name ends up on the list.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:00 PM
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26. You're right. If I was a jihadist terrorist committed to the destruction of the US
I surely wouldn't want to be on that list.

This article captures the essence of the slippery slope we are headed down when rights are violated.

<snip>

ACLU Defends Nazis' Right To Burn Down ACLU Headquarters

NEW YORK—At a press conference Monday, American Civil Liberties Union officials announced that the organization will go to court to defend a neo-Nazi group's right to burn down ACLU headquarters.

ACLU president Nadine Strossen told reporters that her organization intends to "vigorously and passionately defend" the Georgia chapter of the American Nazi Party's First Amendment right to freely express its hatred of the ACLU by setting its New York office ablaze on Nov. 25.

"I am reminded of the words of Voltaire: 'I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,'" Strossen said. "While the ACLU vehemently disagrees with the idea of Nazis torching this building, the principle of freedom of expression must be supported in all cases. If we take away these Nazis' right to burn down our headquarters, we take away everyone's right to burn down our headquarters."

Buddy Carver, president of the Georgia chapter of the American Nazi Party, praised the ACLU for taking on his case. "I would like to thank Ms. Strossen and all the other nigger-loving bleeding-heart liberals at the 'ACL-Jew' for defending my constitutional right to express my loathing of them with hundred-foot-high flames," said Carver, sporting a tan uniform and swastika arm band. "We must finish the job Hitler was unable to."

<snip>

Read the whole thing at: http://www.theonion.com/articles/aclu-defends-nazis-right-to-burn-down-aclu-headqua,1648/
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:04 PM
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28. Name the due process he was entitled to, that was violated. Remember, he is a military target,
as authorized by the AUMF of 9/18/2001.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:16 PM
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5. If he had surrendered,no need to kill him.
Easy,isn't it.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:20 PM
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7. "Run afoul" is putting it lightly.
I have no sympathy for anyone who joins an organization whose sole purpose is to kill innocents, particularly Americans.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:20 PM
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8. yeah I'm adding a LOT of dummies to my ignore-these same morons will
be crying when they or someone they know become collateral damage. they're too stupid to think through to the end
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:23 PM
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11. exactly. It's all fun and games
until your name gets on The List.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:51 PM
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25. yeah, I guess I'm too able to imagine myself....well you know
like that 15 year old girl charged with porn because she had pictures of HERSELF, this kind of legal insanity USED to be corrected.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:37 PM
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17. When You Dedicate Your Life To Placing Bombs On Planes Filled With Innocent Men, Women, and Children
you should not be surprized when we fly an un-manned aircraft filled with explosives through your windshield.


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