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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:10 PM
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Wow... Hot Off The Presses !!!
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:11 PM
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1. woohoo! nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:12 PM
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2. It has begun..
This is the only way change can happen.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:27 PM
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7. agreed. to think that anyone of these good folks would ever give
up as well is foolish but some think it will end eventually. I don't think so. :) Awesome pic
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:12 PM
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3. Kick and Recommend!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:14 PM
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4. Let's hope they sweep agents provocateurs off the streets quickly
and non violently so the cops won't have an excuse to haul out their new riot control toys. There's nothing like making a citizen's arrest to shame them when the arrestee is one of their own.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:19 PM
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5. I'm having a tough time seeing past the elistist cultural appropriation as a fashion statement.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 12:19 PM by alphafemale
edit never mind that.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:22 PM
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6. kinda lame
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:30 PM
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8. No. Lame is wearing a Palestinian Scarf as a fashion statement,
You wear that and you expect me to take anything that randomly falls out of your mouth to be taken seriously?

um...no
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:33 PM
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10. Maybe He Supports The Plight Of The Palestinian People
Don't you?

:shrug:
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:38 PM
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12. Exactly. Or perhaps is of Palestinian heritage. n/t
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:22 AM
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79. Or perhaps Jewish heritage nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:37 PM
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11. WTF?

Daft post of the day.


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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:51 PM
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13. I think those scarves just look cool, what's the problem?
:shrug:
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:40 AM
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81. I used to wear one in the winter when I rode mass transit
Kept me nice and warm standing out there at the bus stop in the cold of January.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:50 PM
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16. I have one... It was given to me & is a treasured gift...
from my time working in the Middle East. I received mine while working in Egypt. It is attitudes like yours that prevent me from wearing it, however. What people wear (and why) is really not your business. Um...no.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:18 PM
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33. Me too.
My gf, now wife, gave me one. She has one that is red, mine is like the one in the photo.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:37 PM
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29. I wear a Palestinian scarf in the winter
Does that mean you wouldn't take me seriously?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:41 PM
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31. and what exactly is wrong with that?
fail
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:57 PM
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47. Oh for fuck's sake.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 10:57 PM by ChadwickHenryWard
When will people get over this stupid obsession with appearances? The way a man dresses is not the measure of his worth nor does it bespeak the content of his character. It was petty and facile in high school and continues to be so in the "real world." It has been a constant refrain as these protests continue and it's an obvious attempt to avoid discussing ideas. Save that shit for Tiger Beat magazine.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:16 AM
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77. Hell yeah! Tell it like it IS.
BHN:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:20 PM
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48. So what is your beef...Palestinians are not people? They do not have a voice?
Maybe you prefer Mr. and Mrs corporation? Maybe you stumbled on this site by mistake. We really do believe all folks are created equal and we do all in our power to try to make sure none of those folks are oppressed; and that they all have a voice, but sadly I do see from whence you come.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:30 PM
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50. If she 'stumbled on this site by mistake', she did it back in 2001. When did you get here?
Your call-out is presumptuous, and uncalled for.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:49 PM
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59. Calling out snide remarks against a community, that are patently unfair, with overtones of racism
is not presumptuous.

And if it has any meaning for you, I got here before 2001, not long after DU became a site, so long ago I can't even remember.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:58 PM
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62. where are the snide remarks against a community, with racist overtones?
Those are pretty serious allegations. Can you point me to the post?
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #50
72. So time of arrival here denotes rank or higher worth?
Is that your argument?

And you speak about presumption?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:59 AM
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75. I'm responding to someone who used a lot of authoritative-sounding talk about what "we" believe
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 03:01 AM by Warren DeMontague
and accused someone of "stumbling in". Then, for good measure, that person accused the previous poster of racism and denigrating an entire group, when the poster did no such thing.

Sorry, I don't like it when people clomp around with a lot of authoritative-sounding bluster and edicts about what "we" are "expected to believe". Screw that, speak for yourself.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:59 PM
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127. OK, granted.
Most major points of your response I apologize for.

EXCEPT:

I too denoted decided racism against the Palestinians. In this, my time, if the Jews or indeed ANY other group were treated in such a manner as the Palestinians I would be just as vocal. It's not the WHO but the WHAT (pardon the 'yelling' but I'm too tired to type out html).

And if you want to, regarding the strife of the recent past decades, blatantly ignore the decidedly asymmetrical 'playing field' of armaments, war chest and tendentious bias towards the benefit of solely Israel; may I remind you it is a fact of history that Zionists also utilized decades-long terrorism to facilitate the creation of THEIR state.

And these long-ago Zionist terrorists are now celebrated as heroes!

If it is wrong to celebrate Palestinian terrorists as heroes,
--which it is!--
the converse assuredly applies.

If you calumniate the sporting of the keffiyeh in solidarity with the struggle of the Palestinians, then as a matter of principle you should also decry the similar accoutrement or display of the Mogen David.

Do you?
One should desire to be consistent in their principles, don'tcha know.


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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:18 PM
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129. If I wanted to get deep into the I/P discussion, I would participate in the I/P forum more.
To wit, and to summarize my position on the matter; I support and have always supported a 2 state solution, WITH RECOGNITION ON THE PART OF THE PALESTINIANS OF ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST. I think the Ocuupation has been a tragic error, and I think the settlements are a terrible idea. Most Israelis think the settlers are nuts.

But before we get too far down the road of revisionist history vis a vis stuff like 1948 or the '67 war, it's worth remembering that there have been several opportunities for the Palestinians that they have walked away from. Like Yasser Arafat in 2000. Tragic missed opportunity.

That said, I understand Palestinian frustration with the lack of progress. But until it is acknowledged and accepted on a FINAL basis that Israel and the Jews are not going away, I don't think the situation can come to a real resolution, no matter what happens in the UN.

I also think there is a tremendous amt. of misinformation and historical revisionism around the situation, which often carries down to younger idealists like, (we can assume) the young man pictured in the OP. I don't know what his views are, and as others have noted, I don't even know if he's wearing the Keffiyeh as a statement, much less what the statement is. Certainly, solidarity with the Palestinians is a reasonable assumption.

But also, it does get back to the muddling of the message, which I felt was a problem at the Iraq War protests. A lot of us were greatly surprised to find out that where we thought we took off work to demonstrate against the Invasion of Iraq, we were really 'expected' to be out there for Mumia and to condemn the existence of Israel, etc.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #129
133. Moi aussi
actually.

I try to keep out of it because here, as in that land, there appears to be a constant Lose-Lose situation. No-one can ever win.

I agree that Israel and the Jews are not going away, but neither are the Palestinians. They both should have realized that thousands of deaths ago and dealt with that reality.
IMO, of course.

But you cannot fault solely the Palestinians in walking away from Peace. Be honest now...


I'm sorry that your protest of the Iraq War became muddled with other agendas. Truly.
Some become so righteous, as in the Levant itself, that they have no compunction about opportunistically piggybacking their causes on top of others as if all people must feel across the board as they do,
or they don't have the conviction their cause could stand on its own (although I'll wager they'd never admit that).

Such is the damned, stupid, ridiculous human condition :(

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:09 PM
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134. Sadly, with regards to the Iraq War, it probably wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference
if the protests HAD been focused and left out all the other, extraneous stuff.

The media was dead-set on ignoring or marginalizing the anti-war voices, no matter what. Sigh.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #134
137. Yep. It was a Done Deal
A certainty long before Nine-One-One
as was 'a government By the People...'

but #occupywallstreet is indubitably addressing that

thanks god

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #75
131. "Bark, bark" What's that Lassie? Charley fell down the well? "Bark!" Let's go, Lassie.
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 06:25 PM by Major Hogwash
Did you ever notice that the kid was the only one who understood what Lassie was saying?
June Lockhart sometimes acted like she knew, but she was always confused about whether Lassie was telling her about the escaped bank robbers that had just arrived at their farm or if Lassie just wanted more water in her dish.
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Doc Holliday Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #72
101. "So time of arrival here denotes rank or higher worth?"
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 11:14 AM by Doc Holliday
Well, if it does, I guess I'm screwed.

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #101
128. Take heart!
You'll have the advantage of peering down your lorgnette at more recent arrivals! :evilgrin:

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. Time of arrival is not nearly as important as sudden, unexpected time of departure.
:rofl:

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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #101
132. Careful!
Your gleeful rubbing together of palms is obvious! :hi:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:39 AM
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89. It's not up to YOU to decide what pieces of somebudy elses culture to adorn yourself with.
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 07:41 AM by alphafemale
You don't understand that? You do not even get...just a teeny tiny bit. How that other cultures may not be flattered and grateful that an elite white kid is appropriating a symbol of their culture?

And you're calling ME a racist?

I haven't looked at your profile but I'm guessing you're young.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #89
109. How the fuck do you know the ethnicity of the young man in the
photo? Jesus Christ what a goddamned ignorant post. :puke:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. He's about as Palestinian as I am.
Your turn to judge me,
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #109
112. No. Wait. You already did that.. nt
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #112
113. As did 95 percent of the other posters in this thread.
But hey, keep digging.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #113
119. I really don't give a shit what 95% of these white people think.
I know how other cultures feel about white kids bandying about sacred pieces of ancient culture as a fashion statement.

And I'm fucking telling you they aren't flattered about it.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #119
123. Racist much?
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. Me?
You think I'm wrong for suggesting that maybe other cultures are NOT flattered by white kids plucking pieces of their culture down and wearing them as trophies.

And I'm racist.

How am I a racist for not appropriating another culture as a fashion statement?

How are you getting from A to B there?

How in your tiny little mind does that work...exactly?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #125
139. Racist and arrogant.
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 07:54 PM by girl gone mad
You need to quit while you're way behind.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #139
141. as you will
I was taught to pay respect to other cultures not my own. Not to pluck and adorn myself with bits of it that pleased me.

We called that sort of white liberal elitism "White Privilege"

DU seems to be thick with lots like that.
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #89
118. You need to read the book 1493 by Charles C. Martin. Culture, like music--
--like religion, like ideas isn't anything that says with one group (impossible, I'm afraid--nature of human beings to steal from each other). Unless a group totally cuts itself off from the rest of the world, what it does, what it thinks, what it creates will inspire and changes us all. To quote Martin: "every place has played a part in the human story, and ...all are embedded in the larger, inconceivably complex progress of life on this planet." And, I'll add, in human development.

But to address your concern, you have to remember that cultural exchanges, even of "sacred" items and ideas don't denigrate the sacredness of that item if they catch on. That the world now carelessly smokes tobacco has never changed the sacredness of that weed to certain Native American tribes. That goth culture appropriated the cross to wear as an ironic fashion statement never altered its holy value to Christians. Whether the item is misunderstood, stolen, or used as inspiration, whether it is used frivolously or meaningfully, doesn't matter. None of that undermines its real value to its group of origin. So you need not be outraged for fear of it losing its meaning it if becomes a fashion statement.

You also need to remember is that in most cases, the borrowed item does more good out in the world then it had remained with its culture. Jazz was black music and had it stayed only that way, no whites hearing it and loving it, many whites would have remained bigoted against blacks. Many a white musician, loving jazz, watching black musicians, being inspired by them, and playing with them, changed his mind. And this small victory was an early step in the civil rights movement--which continued on with black rock-n'roll style music, also influencing white musicians and changing their attitudes.

In short, don't look at this as a elite white kid appropriating a symbol of a culture--look at it as Palestinian culture having an influence, an impact. And that's a very, very good thing. It means that this symbol is not seen as something worn by an enemy, and therefore should not be worn. It's changed to something friendly, human, and beautiful. And even if it's being used frivolously or wrongly, it might influence those who see it in fashion, then decide to look deeper and learn more about it. If it's not out there, no one knows about it, no one looks, and it teachers none of us anything. But if it's out there, even as just a scarf, it can change minds and hearts.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. Very nice. +1000, nt,
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #8
53. To be fair, it looks better on that dude than it ever did on Arafat.
:shrug:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #8
64. Tell me where I can subscribe. nt
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #8
84. Really stupid post.
Really stupid.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #8
90. It'a a Keffiyeh
and you really don't have the context to get your panties in such a wad.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #90
92. Yes. it is. And it's not appropriate to pluck bits and pieces off of others peoples culture.
And wear them for ornaments because it's been "cool" for the past 15 minutes.

It's NEVER been OK to do that.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #92
97. It's even less appropriate to pick nits like a fucking rhesus monkey.
STOP IT.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #8
91. Here's a man who protested in Tahrir Square and is sending
a supportive Youtube video to those protesting in New York. He's wearing a button down shirt and glasses that are decidedly western, but if you can get past that, it is touching and a great sign that the barriers around the world are coming down and class consciousness is being raised everywhere, to the oligarchs detriment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gamiUa1_jok&feature=player_embedded
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #8
105. no, lame is...
calling people lame while they are getting off their ass and doing something they believe in.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. Maybe he's tying together the treatment of Palestine with the treatment of the poor in the U.S.?
There are some parallels.

Or maybe not. Maybe he's just protesting them both.

Either way. He's doing something.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #17
54. He could just be trying to keep his neck warm.
:shrug:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Or both. Or three?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. He has three necks?
Odd.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. The three reasons to wear it. Yours and my two.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 11:50 PM by Hissyspit
I guess the guy's symbolism and utilitarianism can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. So he's got 3 necks AND a performing symbolism and a performing utilitarianism?
Dude needs a tv show.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #61
65. Nah, newspaper will do just fine.
Yeah, I guess he can't possibly have a political protest reason to be wearing it, what with him being a political protester and all.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. He might.
For Rachel Ray, though, she just thought it went nice with her hair.



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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. Rachel Ray is an idiot.
There is no evidence that this guy is. He's holding up a protest newspaper, not a Dunkin' Donuts latte.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #66
88. Yeah. A fashion statement. Except that's just a checked scarf.
But the Keffiyah is becoming a fashion statement.

Like white guys wearing Dashikis in 1973 or white afros. (The Brady Bunch did it!) There are things you just don't go just buy on Amazon and toss on because you think it makes you look "cool"

Your white privilege doesn't give you the right to traipse over someone's history and culture and pluck off and adorn yourself with the pieces you find "cool"

And yet I'm the racist.

:rofl:
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #88
94. Actually I have the right
to adorn myself with most anything I damn well please. It's a scarf, not some great Egyptian artifact he stole. Get a grip.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #88
96. wth? You don't know anything about this guy, who his parents are, where
they're from ...... or, how much money he has or doesn't have. 'White privilege'??
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pauljulian Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #88
102. re: Yeah. A fashion statement. Except that's just a checked scarf.
Kinda interesting that the folks dissing this man seem to have some kind of insight as to his motivation for wearing the thing... barring the man showing up here and telling us exactly why he's wearing it, it's all just speculation...

The dude's sartorial tastes are not the focus of the photo, but the newspaper, which I am applauding until my hands are raw.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #88
121. Ha. My dad was one of those white guys wearing a dashiki in 1973.
He had some odd fashion choices. He's dead, now, so even if I was inclined to lecture him about it, I couldn't. Thanks for the memory.

I think the fight over the dude's Keffiyeh is ridiculous, but as someone who witnessed the muddling of the message at the Iraq War protests by everyone from Free Mumia to Free Palestine, I can't say which is goofier- thinking that wearing it is somehow making a positive contribution to long term middle east peace, or thinking he's not 'allowed' to wear it because he's not Palestinian.

Usually I can pick a side, but both arguments are exercises in abject silliness IMHO.

And there's always the possibility that the kid IS Palestinian.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:38 AM
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82. Love your answer! nt
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #5
28. Obviously You do not see the linkage between the Arab Spring and Occupy Wall Street Movements!


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crunch60 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #28
69. So happy you clarified that
This is a global solidarity movement. We are the Possible Society.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
30. me thinks you don't like the movement
your criticism is a bit superficial and irrelevant.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #30
42. Seconding that.
Talk about a truly pathetic attempt at deflection and minimization.

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #30
45. No I'm just not a big fan of white kids wearing the identity of another culture for kicks.
I don't think it's cool to wear the symbol of a tribe/race/group as a fashion statement. Which is what the Palestinian scarf is becoming.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #45
52. Becoming? White kids at my college were wearing them
in the early 80s.

Whatever. The point is, the MSM is covering the protests, which is good.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. It's called a Keffiyeh.
If you're going to fight over it, at least know what it is.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #56
68. This comment should have been directed toward the poster who called it..
"the Palestinian scarf"
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #68
74. Just chimin' in.
Linearity, like all things, should be practiced in moderation.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #52
70. I'm not fighting.
:shrug:
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #45
85. You're doubling down on your stupidity.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #45
98. Yeah, the important thing is what the guy is wearing.
Talk about picking nits.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #45
99. what a phony-ass retort
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 10:14 AM by fascisthunter
you are not a fan of this movement... your pointing out the scarf is nothing but a bullshit attempt to marginalize people in this movement and to take attention away from the message the kid is holding. Come down off that high horse.

PS - people can wear what they want ms. Fashion Police. Incredibly goofy.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:59 PM
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63. You are the one coming across as an elitist here.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:37 AM
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103. You should have seen me in my pink and black bandana.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #103
136. *wolf-whistle*
Oops! Sexist?
My bad! (but ur still cute)

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #136
142. Thanks...
:blush:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #5
108.  as a fashion statement.
Sans-culottes, anyone?

:eyes:
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #5
135. I have one at home. My favorite Uncle gave it to me.
He was sort of an important person in Palestinian/U.S. charitable organizations a few years back.

I wear it to keep my neck warm when it's cold out.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:32 PM
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9. Um, his fly is open, no?
The revolution will not take place on Twitter.
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crunch60 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #9
71. fly open--so?
Can we please forget about the fly issue and scarves! Focus on the fact that these people are out there, fighting off cops, eating pizza, giving their time for an extremely important cause. To help bring about change, not only for us, but for all your children. I commend and support them. Long live Global Revolution!
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:51 PM
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14. LOL! That is pretty creative by the WSJ!
I laughed, and hopefully there aren't going to be 30+ threads a day about the media not covering this.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #14
38. That is not the WSJ! It is a independent publication! " The Occupied Wall Street Journal?"
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 09:07 PM by sce56
Now, they have their own newspaper. It debuted on Saturday with a print run of 50,000, after two independent journalists in New York started a campaign using the online fund-raising platform Kickstarter. “This movement has sometimes been misrepresented,” said Arun Gupta, 46, one of the two primary organizers of the project. “This paper is for the general public to let them know what is going on here.” The four-page broadsheet includes a story by Mr. Gupta headlined “The Revolution Begins at Home,” an essay by the former New York Times war correspondent Chris Hedges urging people to participate in the protests, and a “Declaration of the Occupation” approved at a meeting of protesters on Sept. 29.

“There are no excuses left,” Mr. Hedges writes in a piece reprinted from the site Truthdig, where has a regular column.
.....Either you obstruct, in the only form left to us, which is civil disobedience, the plundering by the criminal class on Wall Street and accelerated destruction of the ecosystem that sustains the human species, or become the passive enabler of a monstrous evil. Either you taste, feel and smell the intoxication of freedom and revolt or sink into the miasma of despair and apathy. Either you are a rebel or a slave.

Mr. Gupta, and the other main organizer, Jed Brandt, 38, both have experience working on the Indypendent, a left-leaning paper that publishes about 16 issues a year and that Mr. Gupta co-founded 11 years ago. The two men opened an account on Kickstarter on Thursday, Mr. Brandt said, describing the paper as a public art project. Within eight hours, he said, they had raised more than $12,000. The papers were printed Friday night in Long Island City, Queens, and delivered to Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan, where protesters have been camping, on Saturday morning.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 12:52 PM
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15. That is awesome!!!
.
.
.
.
(P.S., tell the fellow his fly is open...)
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. Look again the zipper handle is at the top of the fly so it is not open or it is busted!
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. No it isn't. Look again. You can see the tongue of the zipper up. The fly flap
just needs a little touch of an iron to make it lie like it's supposed to.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #26
51. Crap is that all you children are taking away from this.
This kid like many today, most likely hasn't got a lot of extra change and cant afford to be Wall st. perfect. What is far more important is the message he represents and not the "cut of his jib", so to speak. That last part has to read with an oxford accent.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #51
115. No. But the old XYZ trick is ridiculing the messenger and that takes away from the
message. I posted to set the record straight. What is your excuse?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:19 PM
Response to Original message
18. Occupy Wall Street now publishing its own newspaper!!!!
read about here
and note
there is place to donate to the people who write it, if you are so minded.

Some protesters have wished aloud for reporting more in line with their own conception of themselves.

Now, they have their own newspaper. It debuted on Saturday with a print run of 50,000, after two independent journalists in New York started a campaign using the online fund-raising platform Kickstarter.

“This movement has sometimes been misrepresented,” said Arun Gupta, 46, one of the two primary organizers of the project. “This paper is for the general public to let them know what is going on here.”

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/occupying-and-now-publishing-too/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. I love this.
:)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:24 PM
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24. Ditto n/t
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:19 PM
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20. rec'd
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:19 PM
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21. Excellent.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Just brilliant.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Wow. Move over Mother Jones, the underground newspapers are
back. Glad to see it. Hopefully they will include a net version.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Reminds me of the underground papers of the 1960s (wasn't born until 1970).
This is great!
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #23
43. The Rag -- 60's underground paper reborn on the net
Check it out: The Rag

Used to write for it when there were typewriters and rubber cement involved in the production.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #18
55. +1... love it, love it, love it, love it. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #18
76. Excellent
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
32. Can somebody get them to post that in .pdf Format?


http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/occupying-and-now-publishing-too/

Just before noon, Chelsea Potter stood on the corner of Broadway and Liberty Street holding a sheaf of newspapers and offering them to passers-by. “Excuse me,” she said to a man in a tan raincoat. “Would you like a copy of The Occupied Wall Street Journal?” The man accepted the paper without breaking stride then looked at it as he continued walking.

Over the last two weeks, as people participating in a protest called Occupy Wall Street have called attention to what they say are inequities in the economic system, the ways in which news organizations have covered the protests have been a subject of hot debate.

Some protesters have wished aloud for reporting more in line with their own conception of themselves. Now, they have their own newspaper. It debuted on Saturday with a print run of 50,000, after two independent journalists in New York started a campaign using the online fund-raising platform Kickstarter.



Would be great to get that posted on line where everyone can download a copy!
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:20 PM
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34. the revolution eventually may be televised
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. I doubt it.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. Streamed, more likely. -nt
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. but if not...
...it will continue to grow in scope and size!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #34
78. Maybe, maybe not. However, it WILL be tweeted and blogged n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:21 PM
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36. K & R!
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:02 PM
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37. kickety
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:07 PM
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39. k&r nt
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:09 PM
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40. Up, up and away.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:18 PM
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41. k&r
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:24 PM
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49. That would be the MSM taking note, all right! Wow!
Rec'd!
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:13 AM
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73. K & R - Beautiful!
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:23 AM
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80. K&R
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w0nderer Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:02 AM
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83. k&r n/t
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yellowwood Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:05 AM
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86. The Wall Street Journal Is Not a Friend
My guess is that the Wall Street Journal intentionally used this photo of the guy with the scarf to suggest that there is something dangerous in this movement. They could have picked some other representative. They thought that it would scare the heck out of right-wingers. It probably does.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:37 PM
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124. That's not the *REAL* Wall St. Journal.
Last time I checked, the Wall St. Journal doesn't even use photographs.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:20 AM
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87. Has anyone seen a copy?
Was it possibly Photoshopped?

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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 08:58 AM
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93. Hallelujah!!! K & R!
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:38 AM
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95. "WE are the People we have been waiting for." -President Barack Obama-
This dovetails with the old Native American saying:
"Don't look outside of yourself for leadership."

We need to stay involved, to be active, to apply pressure and to elect DEmocrats to every office possible so the nation can be moved forward instead of froze in place.
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:11 AM
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100. K&R
THAT'S a Wall Street Journal worth reading!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:41 AM
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104. Sweet! This sure is a creative revolution.
:bounce:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:52 AM
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106. OK. I take it back. These cultures are HONORED that you are draping their symbols around your neck
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 11:53 AM by alphafemale
Your sweaty necks.


I mean what culture symbol wouldn't be honored by being adopted blindly by some white kids?
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:55 AM
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107. nup
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 11:55 AM by alphafemale
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #107
114. jesus...I was hoping you'd sleep on it
And realize you're the only one in this nise size thread being a douche.

Guess not.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:02 PM
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116. Maybe he's part palestinian.
Who cares anyway? He's not there for the fashion show.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:07 PM
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117. Get over yourself. n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #106
122. I invented underpants
now, I want royalties.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #106
140. You know they sell those at H&M right?
:shrug:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:14 PM
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110. Cmon, people. He's not there for the fashion show.
Maybe he's of palestinian descent, and yeah, so what, his zipper is busted. He is not there to be a fashion model. I think he looks just fine.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:41 PM
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138. however
has anyone noticed his fly is open?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:53 PM
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126. Fuckin' A!! KICK. nt
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