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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:19 PM
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If you deserve to be summarily executed for merely advocating acts of terror
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 01:22 PM by whatchamacallit
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:24 PM
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1. You don't; 'Advocating' is usually NOT the same as actively planning.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 01:28 PM by elleng
Details and nuance are important to our First Amendment jurisprudence.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:35 PM
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2. What jurisprudence? There was no judicial involvement in this assassination.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:54 PM
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9. Your premise was
'if you deserve to be summarily executed for merely advocating acts,' I responded there is jurisprudence as to first amendment, advocacy, which contains nuance.

I would further argue that there is NO MERELY re: advocating ACTS OF TERROR.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:38 PM
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5. American lives - so precious...
As long as a single terrorist plots against us, we are justified in mass murder. What a twisted world.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:36 PM
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3. He was the head of Al-Qaeda in Yemen. Much more than just an advocate.
Quit coddling the terrorist.

He's not some pit bull who never had a choice.
He chose to declare war on this Country.
He knew the consequences even if you don't.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:44 PM
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7. If a terrorist is one who commits acts of terror
we got some explaining to do.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:53 PM
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18. sorry, I thought you were implying that the US is a terrorist nation.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:05 PM
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14. A terrorist is one who
uses violence and threats thereof for 'political' reasons.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:06 PM
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15. Thank you, that describes us well. n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:40 PM
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28. What about Republicans who talk about the "Second Amendment Solution"?
Are they also terrorists?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:39 PM
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27. Do you have any proof that he was the head of the Al Qaeda in Yemen?
Why didn't we simply extradite him legally and then go in and get him?

The Constitution does not give the president the authority to order summary executions in foreign countries. That is the problem. Should we amend the Constitution to permit this?

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:37 PM
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4. No you don't
Though it's sure going to bring attention to bear upon you.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:39 PM
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6. I notice the focus is kept to him
Got anything to say about us?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:55 PM
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10. Since when do we advocate acts of terror?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:00 PM
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12. Not only advocate but carry them out.
See the CIA involvement in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Congo, Mozambique, Angola, Chile, Nicaragua, Honduras, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, El Salvador...to name a few places. And, that's not even mentioning the Pentagon.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:01 PM
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34. OP was clearly aimed at individuals
Are you saying we can't go after specific terrorists because the nation as such has been wrong? That we because we are Americans deserve to be plotted against? That's as dumb as saying Americans are so wonderful, only they deserve due process, just the opposite.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:02 PM
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13. If the "collateral" slaughter of innocents
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 02:04 PM by whatchamacallit
in pursuit of imagined safety, isn't terror, what is? Have another look at that white hat, cowboy.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:10 PM
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16. I LOVE your sense of irony.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:12 PM
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17. The United States is also the only nation ever found guilty of aggression by the IJC.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:55 PM
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:57 PM
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20. For actively planning and executing, a few hundred missiles, at least.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 02:59 PM by saras
All of these people...

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right

...should have been incinerated. Collateral damage be damned - take their whole towns out in case they have sympathizers or hidden arms caches.

Go after anyone who supports them - their employers, their families, their communities - bomb 'em all back to the Stone age. If a state appears to produce too many of them, level the whole fucking state and replace its government with America-trained torturers. Sic 'em on anyone who owns a gun, because they might let the enemy have them or otherwise support them, and if they're not supporting the enemy, why do they need guns anyways? Criminals? I mean, they're terrorists, right? They have no rights.

And then we move on to the bankers and corporations that fund the terrorists. And the Tea Party, and their hometowns.

Okay, I've changed my mind. I now support summary execution of terrorists, as well as wholesale destruction of their habitat.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:02 PM
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21. There was way more than advocacy going on
and to ignore that is to provide a false premis to begin with.

Oranizers and the active support for terrorism is a whole 'nother ball game.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:43 PM
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29. If you are talking about conspiracy to commit terrorism,
some of these right-wing loud-mouths could find themselves fitting that description one of these days. I do not expect a president to simply liquidate them a la Stalin. I hope a president will not simply liquidate them a la Stalin.

What about people who kill abortion doctors? Should we send in drones?
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:05 PM
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22. It's not about deserving anything.
He was a threat to innocents, an avowed combatant, and under the protection of his tribe. He was a warned enemy and unreachable to arrest. The SWAT team took him out. No problem.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:34 PM
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24. Driven by our fear of what might happen
we are far more than a threat to innocents. We slaughter them indiscriminately. Americans, it's all about us....
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AngkorWot Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:22 PM
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23. That's like saying Hitler merely advocated gassing the jews.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:37 PM
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26. I've seen some lame analogies in here
but this takes the cake. Congratulations.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:35 PM
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25. Al Awlaki was an actual terrorist who participated
in plots to kill Americans.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:44 PM
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30. Sounds like someone who should have been at minimum, under indictment.
Such a threat would have charges against them, without a doubt.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:47 PM
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31. My post isn't about him
or what he may or may not have been. It's about us. It's about the death and destruction we rain-down on others to avoid potential terror.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:12 PM
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33. the evidence presented is that he did not.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:39 PM
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36. There is more than enough in the public domain to convince
any rational person this guy was in the terrorism biz.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:12 PM
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32. so when do we start assassinating members of the Michigan Militia?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:26 PM
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35. "we as a nation"
How many of you are there?
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