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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:41 PM
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I kind-of think of registered Democrats who vote for other parties like unions do of strikebreakers.
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frankcjames Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:44 PM
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1. But aren't they smarter than average ?
I think of registered Democrats as being more intelligent than most voters. And ... there are times when the smartest thing to do is vote for somebody else.

Not often, though.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:47 PM
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3. This is in terms of breaking solidarity with a decision at which we arrived as a group.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:04 PM
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5. The term is "quisling." Or "phony registration to mess up the Primary."
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:46 PM
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2. I Think Of Party Members
Who demand loyalty votes for poor candidates as party robots.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:02 PM
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4. I'm sorry but the union contract we agreed to ... to use your analogy
The "contract" we agreed to is not being honored by the president. You're trying to suggest that the president is the contract, but he's not, he's the one who told us about the contract we'd get, so to speak, if we elected him. He has failed to honor most of what he campaigned about,he's become like a union leader that became bought and paid for.

Unions may vote persons into position within their organization, but there obligations are to the union and the union contracts, not the individuals running the union. If anyone is a scab, it's Obama. His contract was supposedly going to put the middle class first, jobs, foreclosures, bank baddies, and environmental sensibilities; instead he's a bought and paid for stooge of Wall Street, the filthy rich, the Chamber of Commerce, and we middle-class...excuse me, used-to-be-middle-class are getting tired of the scab president.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:17 PM
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7. So far, the membership is not contesting him.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:56 PM
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16. Yeah we are. You wouldn't feel the need to post this tripe if we weren't.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:27 PM
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25. I guess we'll both know for sure after primary season is over.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:16 PM
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6. I didn't realize I was voting for a party
Blind allegiance requires no effort.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:20 PM
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10. It's called "solidarity" when the membership makes a decision together.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:36 PM
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29. Decisions are dispensed from party leaders
Solidarity means doing what you are told.

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:38 PM
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31. Did Howard Dean get to do this?
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:48 PM
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32. Howard Dean is not a party leader
He's a politician. He does what he's told.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:11 PM
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33. Howard Dean was the chairman of the Democratic National Commitee from 2005 to 2009.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:58 PM
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35. And?
Are you implying that the chairman of the DNC is a leadership position?

:rofl:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:29 PM
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37. Yes.
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:17 PM
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8. I think that those who follow parties and/or people, rather than ideas...
are devoid of a personal code of values.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:21 PM
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11. Would you also vote against forming a union?
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:23 PM
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22. That would depend on the ideas that a particular union advocated.
There is no doubt that unions have been a force for good as they facilitated the establishment of a seat at the table for workers; however, I believe that in some ways they have become far too politicized and top-heavy.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:19 PM
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9. And should everyone vote for Democratic politicians who actually break strikes and bust unions?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:22 PM
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12. Are you talking about FDR's stance against public-sector unions?
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:31 PM
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13. Or even union busting politicians like Nader?
:eyes:

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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:15 AM
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44. +1
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 03:34 PM
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14. I vote for the individual, not the party.
Frankly, I don't give a damn what people like you think of me or my vote. The Constitution never said that I had to vote like a party robot to exercise my rights.

Blindly-loyal party shills irritate me to no end.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:03 PM
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15. i like turtles
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 04:58 PM
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17. I think of people who mindlessly vote for political parties..
...as corporate-enabling, ignorant robots.

Happy now?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:28 PM
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26. I try to respect the choice of my fellow partisans.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:37 PM
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18. I believe the proper name for such people is "Scabs". Don't know the origin, but it sounds right.
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Recovered Repug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:46 PM
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19. I think threads that only contain subject lines and nothing else
are like hemorrhoids. They're a pain in the ass and you can't wait for them to end.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:26 PM
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24. You wouldn't have to wait for anything if you didn't click on them.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:55 PM
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20. That's nice dear. n/t
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 05:59 PM
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21. I kind of think I'm not in a cult, though some would love nothing better than to run it like one. nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:24 PM
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23. Are unions also cults for expecting solidarity?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:32 PM
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27. likes all those Vermont scabs who keep deserting their party to vote for Sanders, bastards...scum.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:35 PM
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28. Thanks for the Deep Thoughts, Jack Handey
:crazy:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:37 PM
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30. That's as far as it shoots.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:38 PM
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34. I'm sure they are wounded by your words. As a registered Democrat Union member
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 07:43 PM by Edweird
that is unwilling to vote for RW policies, no matter what letter behind the politicians name, I don't give a crap what you think about anything.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 08:02 PM
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36. That's interesting. I kind of think that people who vote "Dem" with no concern for the issues...
are sort of like fans at a sporting event.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:03 PM
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38. In which sport do the spectators choose their team's players?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:12 PM
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39. Sporting teams are all about winning and have no ideology, that's the point.
I know that is hard for you to grasp, but that is the concept you constantly support -winning with no need for ideological principles.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:22 PM
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40. I would imagine that that spectators who chose the players on their team, would want them to win.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:42 PM
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41. Look, I don't really care if you want to keep ignoring the point, but....
The question is "What do you win/" and "What are you fighting for?"
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:51 PM
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43. We win the leadership and/or representation of the person that the majority of the party selected.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:41 AM
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47. ......

"Your story has become tiresome."



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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:45 AM
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48. That may be because your analogy never fit to begin with.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:59 PM
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42. Blind allegiance to a party that's failing is irresponsible to this nation.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 11:38 PM by Lucian
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:16 AM
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45. I would too if the Democratic Party was a party of the working-class.
But it's not, and so it doesn't deserve my solidarity. At all.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:14 AM
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46. Simplistic analogy that is wrong.
Dem actually votes for another candidate that has a different agenda then their registered party, however the scab still does the same job as picketers so no you are wrong kind-of.
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