I got a phonecall from a friend in New York who said

[malaise]

that more and more people are coming out on the streets to support the protesters.
A new day is dawning!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. That's great news, my dear malaise!

Thanks for the report!

[Divernan]

48. Wall St. protests featured as lead story on BBC in the UK the last few days.

I'd been on an environmental & wildlife study/holiday in the Scottish Highlands for a week - No emails/papers/TV. I got back into Edinburgh Sunday afternoon & went into city centre to pick up a concert ticket. I was stunned to see a huge, elevated outdoor news screen in an open area/square featuring video of Wall Street protests,with New York's "finest" whacking protesters with night sticks. Got back to my hotel and tuned in BBC, which was featuring this as a lead story every hour, along with coverage of Brit. demonstrations against their govt.'s military spending, unemployment, etc.

The BBC report enthusiastically emphasized that the US protests were growing daily, showed lots of terrific signs US protesters were carrying, showed US police beating up protestors, and interviewed US protesters for their comments.

The Brits I talked to, from estate owners to retirees to taxi drivers are furious that their govt. is building two new Aircraft Carriers for the Royal Navy, at a cost of 5.2 billion pounds. The government's "rationale" for this expenditure was described as "barking mad" in Britain's current economy. Opponents did concede it gives a 5 year boost to the nation's ship builders - but the ultimate idiocy was the fact that there are not now and will not in the foreseeable future be any planes to put aboard these carriers!

These ships are due to enter service in 2014 and 2016, respectively. To quote the Brit govt., "The carriers will be the biggest and most powerful surface warships ever constructed for the Royal Navy and represent a step change in capability, enabling the delivery of increased strategic effect and influence around the world."

In other words, we see the United States' "govt. using public funding as a tool to enrich the Military Industrial Complex" dysfunction spreading elsewhere. Many in the UK want that money spent on infrastructure - creating as many jobs as the ship building venture, and pumping as much money into the economy, but resulting in tangible improvements to their country and quality of life. The economy is bad enough in the UK that there is a push by some political interests to raise the retirement age to 70. This got an outraged response from the people I talked to there.

So keep it up, Wall Street protesters! The world is watching - because the BBC broadcasts go out worldwide.

[RKP5637]

2. +1000 +++ n/t

[raccoon]

3. k&r. nt

[geardaddy]

4. K and R!

[CrispyQ]

5. I hope this grows & grows & grows!

:patriot:

[snappyturtle]

6. Oh that's wonderful news! People ARE waking up! nt

[Brigid]

13. I had often wondered when that would finally happen.

Maybe, just maybe, it has. :)

[Doremus]

7. K&R

[Kurovski]

8. 99%

That's alot, ain't it?

[malaise]

10. A whole lot bro

:fistbump:

[Kurovski]

12. C'mere...

:hug:

[Kurovski]

9. Hey wait...doesn't supporting protesters equal protesting?

[Ikonoklast]

15. Look, keep Algebra out of this, mmmk?

Just enjoy the moment.

[Kurovski]

63. I was.

I even got all "huggy".

I never passed algebra, even after summer school. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. It is growing...

[Diclotican]

14. malaise

malaise

Change start, when people stand up, and walk out for telling the power that enough is enough. The Berlin Walls tearing down in 1989, happened becouse people in the east was tired about everything.. And desided to stand up and walk, instead off sitting down and take it as they had been for more than 40 year..

And when the first ripple was going true the wall, it all was flowing over, and in the end, no one could stop the water for flowing over and destroy 40 year of cold war.. And it happened mostly thanks to the peopole itself.. The government in DDR was paralyzed and was not able to channel this new things into something FOR the government.. ANd in the end, the pepole got tired about the old regime, and topled it, peacefully. Even tho the government first tried to stop the utprising by all means nessesary..

And I doubt somehow that the US government, on state level or federal level wil do less than the old communist regime of East Europe when it came to try to repress it all.. They have alleready shown what they are capable of in NYC..

Diclotican

[JDPriestly]

20. You are right, Diocletian.

The conduct of the police on the bridge was similar to that of a police state.

There is YouTube video showing the demonstrators walking along the pedestrian bridge and then the police deliberately leading them onto the street part of the bridge and then cornering them. It was entrapment. I think the police were seeking an opportunity to ID the demonstrators so that they can snoop into their lives, maybe draft some informers from those with record or those with outstanding warrants. That is a typical tactic of the police in an authoritarian state -- extort cooperation from informants. Of course, I cannot read minds and could not prove what the police were or were not thinking.

But, this is best guess. Once I saw how the police drew the protestors into the trap, my first thought was "Why would they do that? Why make themselves so much work? Why waste money on arresting do many people after deliberately entrapping them?" The only things I could think of were the ones I mentioned -- IDing the protestors to identify "troublemakers," and trying to find a few with past brushes with the law who could perhaps be made into informants.

If you are from Eastern Europe or have lived in a totalitarian state, you know the drill. The point is to silence people, to intimidate them into being "cooperative." Thomas Jefferson would turn over in his grave as would John Adams and George Washington. They did not risk their lives to establish a totalitarian state.

The worst is that Fox News describes these people as wanting to destroy capitalism. Maybe a few of them do, but most of them want the same thing that the average American want -- capitalism with integrity, honesty and fairness.

[Diclotican]

27. JDPriestly

JDPriestly

It is sad to se it happened in US. I guess, when you never have experienced police State tactics, you are blind to it, when it start, and are waking up to the reality after it had been a reality for a while.. Even in Eastern Europe, when the wall was been teared down, many was oblivius to the fact, that they had been living on a lie, and in a police state for 40 or so years.. Even today, after 20 year after the cold war ended, many older men and womans in the eastern europeans country loung for the day, when you had fare more structure than today - and you had a pention to live by.. And they are either forgetting the police state or they just dosen't want to be rembembed when they was afraid of the secret Police.. And the treat that a bad joke could end in a 10 year prison sentence if the wrong pepole was hearing you making the joke..

Fox news is no more than a propganda media outlet for the extreme right in the US.. Dr Gobbles, the master of Nazi-Germany propaganda, could NOT have doing a better job than Fox news are doing.. I guess Dr Gobbels would tear himselfs with enwy, what Fox news have managed to twist and turn the facts for more than 15 year now... It wil take at least a generation, to make the poision going away from the US..

Diclotican

[Fire Walk With Me]

43. To you and Diclotican, great posts!

[Johnny Noshoes]

49. It took some effort...

It took some effort on the part of the police to divert people from the Brooklyn Bridge walkway to the road surface. The pedestrian walkway entrance is very obvious and rises above the road surface down the center of the bridge. You would have to really work at getting people to move onto that roadway. If that isn't entrapment I'm the next lottery winner.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Funny just finished reading a book on the '68

movement and El Presidente... I had flashbacks to the you tube. Only thing missing were them snipers.

[malaise]

21. Super post - deserves its own thread

:fistbump:

[Diclotican]

30. malaise

malaise

I don't know, it was that good, but at least I think I got some of it right.. The powers to be is afraid of real pepole power, if just they was not that dam good of splitting pepole against eatch other all the time, they powers to be, would be fare more carefull, and be thankfully they was able to have some of their wealth.. I guess they stop beeing afraid in the US.. In Europe, even with all the economical meltdowns happening all over the place, the Powers to be IS afraid of the people..

:toast:

Diclotican

[malaise]

31. DId you know that they're preventing speakers at the protest

from using mikes to address the people?

THey sicken me.

[Diclotican]

33. malaise

malaise

That I dosen't know, but it is relly telling about how dangrous this is, for the powers that be. If they was alowed to use mikes to adress the pepole, more pepole would learn about things - and maybe react.. The revolutions in 1989, happened mostly becose many was using all the new tools of that age.. The chinese Dissents on Tiamen Square mastered the Telefax far better than their communist leaders, and the same happened in eastern europe, who also used the word of the mouth, to get information around..

Information is the most important things here and it is IMPORTANT to get the information out, what this is all about.. Not just some who want to destroy capitalism as FOX news want to point it.. But really about making the playing field level.. And fair..

US are in deep economical problems this days, and everyone - also the big and powerfull need to chip in to get the ship on the right track again.. If everyone, also the top 1 percent paid more into the coffens, then might US was to recover faster than it might do today. It is unfair that some groups of pepole are not paying anything to the public good.. It is unfair in US, as it is in Norway.. I would said it border to direct criminal what some groups are doing.. The result can be far more dangrous for them, than they imagine.. I guess they belive that "small pepole" are not to try to revolt again when the cold war ended..

But I guess, pepole power wil raise again, when it is bad enough times.. And the last cople of years have defently been bad for millions pepole around the world.. Even I can understand that in the underground, a lot of anger is brewing, and can blow up to a fire anytime soon.. The big revolutions of the 1700s, the 1900s, started in many cases, when enough was enough.. Even tho the result was less than stellar, both in the 1700s and in the 1900s.. But in the long run, it was making the life better, as the powerfull understood one thing. It was better to apease the working man and woman, than to risk heads rolling in the streets as it did in France between 1789-93..
Or, what happened in 1917, when Imperial Russia, was on the loosing side of the world war one.. And lost far more than some land, but also their king Tsar Nicolai 2 of Russia, (who by the way was first cusin with our King Haakon 7, and as a result of the murder of the russian monarc King Haakon desided that no norwigian royal was to wisit USSR before the regime was not more.. It took more than 70 year, before King Harald V of Norway, wisited Russia in 1993.) And indeed, Russia changed to something that no one belived in 1917...

I dont belive US wil be like this, I hope that US can transform in a peacefull way, where the american public wil get more to say - and the powerfull just have to give a little, to the greater good.. Bloody revolutions never end happy..

Diclotican

[certainot]

44. meanwhile the billionaires' think tanks yell through 1000 RW radio staions

[JuniperLea]

60. That is why...

We are constantly being told how we feel by the media. They repeat the lies and expect everyone to believe them. The worldwide antiwar protests that happened when Bush took "Shock and Awe" to Iraq were swept under the carpet. The media, who work for the powers-that-be, didn't want us to see the power WE hold. That protest was marginalized by lack of news coverage, even though those of us who dig around for our news were seeing the big picture... and it was BIG!

I hope this protest grows to that level!

[BeHereNow]

66. Great to hear from you- I was just with a friend last night from Berlin

She grew up there and was talking about the wall,
how she would be riding in a car with friends down
a strasse and suddenly the street would end-
they would be facing the wall and have to turn around.

She moved here before the fall of the wall, but I think
she was, in her way, saying basically what you did.

We certainly have a big wall of our own to tear down here in the US.
Between the "owners" and the "workers" to borrow a phrase from
Eugene V. Debs, my hero.

BHN

[Diclotican]

68. BeHereNow

BeHereNow

True.. But I guess the wall on our heads, is more difficult than tearing down the fycial berlin.. Even now, 20 year after the wall was downed, it is still a wall in the population, between East and West germans.. It wil take a long time before that wall is off the mind..

But I guess your friend, are discover a different berlin of today, than it was 20 year ago..

Diclotican

[bdamomma]

16. that is great,

I hope it continues to spread across the US, it needs to.

99% Poor
1% Rich

[flamingdem]

17. sounds like fun

they had better be ready for the cold however brrr

[cantbeserious]

18. Good News - Wall Street Is Such a Great Place For An Occupation

eom

[ZombieHorde]

19. Exciting. nt

[fedupinBushcountry]

22. My son lives in NYC

He went last Thursday on his day off and here is a video he made of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAyurQErVJs&feature=player_embedded

[malaise]

50. Lovely

Thanks

[greytdemocrat]

23. Yep!!

It's Tuesday.

[Left Coast2020]

24. Protests should begin in front of Congress....

specifically the HOR where they only passed some little things for Jobs Bill.

[libmom74]

28. Those begin October 6th.

[eilen]

25. My son tells me that tomorrow, everyone is walking out at 2pm

from where ever they are.
We are not in NYC, but upstate.

[malaise]

32. Yes that's the word

People are just joining and I'm lovin' it

[louslobbs]

26. K&R n/t Great news.

Lou

[Fire Walk With Me]

29. Whoo-hoo!

:woohoo::hi:

[Mr Deltoid]

34. Our way is from the bottom up

We cannot rely on anyone at the top helping us. They are all tied in with it.

[RoccoR5955]

35. This coming weekend is a holiday weekend...

expect more people to join!

[calimary]

36. Excellent! Great news, malaise!

Thank you! And thank your friend, too!

:toast: :yourock: :patriot:

[Whisp]

37. I am glad to hear that. Wish I could be there.

[closeupready]

38. K&R

nt

[mother earth]

39. Can't be there, donate to RebuildTheDream...support OWS.

[a kennedy]

40. kickin' this baby......

:applause: :patriot:

[midnight]

41. Thanks for this encouraging news...

[Greybnk48]

42. My husband's in NJ on business.

He and a buddy flew in today for training sessions tomorrow. Instead of going right to their hotel, they hopped on a train in Newark and went into Manhattan. Among other things, they spent a couple of hours with the protesters!! I'm so jealous.

[malaise]

56. Lucky hubby

:hi:

[DesertFlower]

45. K&R. nt

[certainot]

46. for another location to protest in NY, near penn station.....

i think limbaugh's original station, WABC, is near penn station. he's calling protestors idiots and has been describing public employees, union members, teachers as leeches, bottom feeders, scum, etc.

no one represents the GOP/wall street's principles and morals better than limbaugh.

and no one has done more over the last 20 years, as lead voice for those 1000 giant think tank-coordinated soapboxes, to enable the deregulation and greed.

[lunatica]

51. When his dittoheads show up they might get a real education

They'll be able to hear some facts for a change.

[ClassWarrior]

47. I wanna go, I wanna go, I wanna go...

NGU.

[Enthusiast]

52. kr

I pray this is true because it is the only pathway to correct the misdirection of the nation.

[sandyj999]

53. Wish I could be one of them! n/t

[sandyj999]

54. Wish I Was There! n/t

[BEZERKO]

55. Sounds good to me!

[hue]

57. the USA Spring!!! :-) k & r n/t

[ChiciB1]

58. This Is Growing ALL OVER The US & Has Many Other Countries Looking

at us with support. Even down here in the state of Florida we have protests scheduled for at least 9 cities, the last I looked scheduled for Oct. 6th. I HAVE heard that Tampa & Tallahassee started early, but have no hard facts.

EVEN IN FLORIDA! We are glad to see this activism because it's been gone for so long. At least in my part of the state. We are RED, so I may have missed out on other places. But even Orlando says they have a protest plan and they think it will be LARGE.

Just my input... Of which I've been attacked a LOT lately, but whatever. I still voice my opinion.

[caseymoz]

59. I would be more serious and less optimistic.

Trends can change. It's too early to tell if dawn is the correct metaphor here. There's too many important things going wrong in too many ways to think changing it is going to be in any way easy.


If this movement fizzles after too much optimism, it spreads cynicism and makes restarting any movement that much more difficult.

[JuniperLea]

61. If we all had that attitude...

It sure would fizzle.

[caseymoz]

65. Optimism does nothing for you.

Except relieve stress. More than that and it simply misleads you. It's part of what's gone wrong with this country. Mob optimism. "We're the greatest country on earth. We can do no wrong, as long as we don't acknowledge any wrong". Is that what you want to carry into a revolution?

This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "a new dawn." You know that a day is dawning because it gets light outside. You don't have dawns that fizzle, or that or put down, or that lead to benighted decades of civil war, or that you can retroactively see were not dawns after all. In contrast, you could only honestly cite this as a dawn in retrospect, which you don't have. Not yet. Other than that, it's misleading pre-propaganda.

This isn't going to be won by the marches, (though they can lead to something else) or calling every development a "dawn of a new day." Too much has gone wrong with this country for that to be the case now. Trade your optimism now for pride when it's done.

[caseymoz]

67. Maybe I should say . . .

trade your optimism for grim determination, and then pride when it's done.

[mod mom]

62. I hope their presence serves a reminder to those who work nearby

that the people will no longer accept the status quo.

Have to wonder if a few of the Wall Street gangsters are starting to sweat a little.