Amanda Knox is lucky

[malaise]

She may or may not win the appeal, and we'll know in a few minutes, but she had a fair trial and the right to appeal.
There are others in Gitmo still waiting for a trial and still others have been droned to death.

[Horse with no Name]

1. I've heard that she hasn't had a fair trial

but I am not familiar with Italian law and I am not familiar enough with the actual facts of the case.

With that being said, I hope that justice is done.

I agree with the comment about the Gitmo prisoners.

[malaise]

4. Well her family don't think she's had a fair trial

and the Italians say she did. Like you I haven't followed it but her appeal is being heard so it seems fair to me.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Of course, the people conducting the trial ALWAYS say the defendent

got a fair trial.

The Scottsboro Boys got a fair trial, too. Several of them, in fact.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. pc

:popcorn:

[MADem]

3. She did not have a fair trial--she was railroaded by the prosecution using bullshit

and falsified DNA "evidence." They wanted and needed a conviction and didn't care who got the shaft.

They had no case against her. She was convicted because she didn't behave they way they felt she should.

If she does not win the appeal, I will be appalled.

[polly7]

13. No. Their report as to their reasoning for the guilty verdict is lengthy

and considers a large amount of evidence. The judges and lay-judges who decided the case appear far from stupid, or naive and easily swayed, or out to frame anyone. From their report, it appears they considered everything very carefully.

http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/2011/3/Massei_Report.pdf

[MADem]

27. Lengthy doesn't necessarily mean logical, and the DNA was bull.

She is free because the DNA was bull and because she didn't do it.

The prosecution needed a murderer, and she was handy and couldn't fight back effectively, at least not at the outset.

[sabrina 1]

14. It wasn't the prosecutor who told her to lie to the police.

Or to lie about another innocent person, getting him arrested as the possible murderer. A man who lost his business as a result of her accusations and his reputation, which is always hard to get back no matter how wrongfully accused you have been. She didn't feel the need to apologize to him either.

There is more than one side to this story, and the the victim's family who were so graceful and who said nothing throughout this whole ordeal, believe she is guilty.

So one family believes she is guilty, one family does not. Those are opinions and pretty evenly balanced, but ultimately not relevant. She did not help herself at all in the beginning by her own actions which had nothing to do with the prosecutor, not to mention that is more than one prosecutor in their system, they have several of them all of whom conducted themselves very professionally, the ONE who had issues was focused on and it is never mentioned that their system is not like ours.

I don't know if she is guilty or not, if not, I hope she is released, but a lot of the negativity towards her around the world, was her family's, her supporters and her own doing. They acted very badly unlike the murdered girl's family who certainly could have done the same thing. If she is released, I am sure Meredith's family will continue to conduct themselves with dignity.

The Italy bashing was ugly also. And did not endear her supporters to Europeans or many Americans, watching it all unfold. It came across as what the world now sees as typical American bullying of other nations. And a sense of entitlement simply because they are American. Her boyfriend's family by contrast, acted completely differently and if he is innocent, his family too had reason to be as upset as hers. But like Meredith's, they maintained a dignified attitude and respected the process. Throwing a temper tantrum, blaming the country, blaming Europe, the judicial system etc was cringe worthy as it only confirmed for many people, the already terrible image we have around the world.

[malaise]

18. I'm betting she gets off

Judge reading the verdict now

[MADem]

24. She is acquitted. She has to pay a restitution to the guy she pointed the finger at.

Her former boyfriend is free as well.

They had no damn case.

[MADem]

20. I lived in Italy for seven years. I'm familiar with the way they police.

From the police to the Guardia, they are pretty heavy handed. You can proceed confidently in Italy if you have diplomatic immunity or fall under the SOFA. Otherwise, step carefully.

I happen to like Italy a great deal, but let's not sugarcoat the truth-- it is a corrupt nation, led by a crazed pervert who likes to screw teenaged girls. It was actually a more laizzez faire sort of place when they changed their leadership like one changes one's underwear.

Because a young girl doesn't behave with sufficient decorum, and is frightened and pushed around, is no reason to convict her of murder.

They've nailed her for pointing the finger the wrong way, she will have to pay a fine/restitution, but acquitted her of murder. Just now. Her boyfriend is free as well.

[sabrina 1]

39. My sister spent a year in Italy also and she loved it, but like anywhere

there are people who are heavy handed and as for Burlusconi the Italian people should be as ashamed of him as we are of Bush. I went there to visit my sister and loved it also. She got married there and it was hysterical getting all the paperwork since neither she nor her husband were Italian. But the court clerks and just about everyone there, they do love romance, helped them get it and even overlooked a few things for 'amore' they said. Lol.

I see she has been found not guilty, good if that is the case. How about her boyfriend?

[MADem]

40. He is also free.

I love Italy--great people, food, language, culture, art, lifestyle.

I don't especially love the camorra, the mafia, the corruption, the need to pay a bribe to get your phone hooked up, the streetlight fixed, or any other essential service from the municipality where you live. I particularly dislike Berlusconi and his hair plugs and perversion. He's like Mussolini.

The people are great, though, and you can find some nice public servants amongst the corrupt ones, particularly if you have an amusing story to tell them.

[malaise]

23. Ding ding she wins the appeal -murder conviction overturned

Guilty of defamation

[sabrina 1]

5. Yes, but she is in Italy where they cannot hold innocent, uncharged

people hostage without access to any judicial process while they are tortured for over seven years before being released. Then when they are released, and try to get some justice by suing the criminals, our great Democratic Justice Dept. blocks all of those efforts, claiming, what else, National Security concerns.

She is lucky. Maybe one day we will return to a system where no human being will denied their day in court.

[Renew Deal]

6. She got railroaded in the first trial and they're trying it again this time.

I don't know what you mean by "she had a fair trial."

[rsmith6621]

7. Having Bad DNA or the lack off

...is a fair trial......Get real malaise..... Frankly I could care less about the Gitmo inmates.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. She had a trial, fair is still up in the air

Italian law is not the same as US law and their CSI's are clearly not up to Gill Grishom's standards.

[EOTE]

9. She is not lucky and she hasn't received a fair trial.

Just because someone has to go through less hell than someone else does not make them "lucky". I really hate it when people are told they're lucky when they've been fucked over extremely bad.

[Lucian]

10. This is just another one of those Casey Anthony spotlights that I couldn't care less about.

[Myrina]

15. +10

n/t

[RandomKoolzip]

32. Exactly. Couldn't care less. I don't even know who this person is.

[Raine]

43. Love how people brag on how clueless they are

:eyes: and I thought that was just a repug trait. :wow:

[RandomKoolzip]

47. Yeah, I'm a fucking republican because I don't know who Amanda goddamn Knox is.

Dur-hey. :rollseyes:

[WildEyedLiberal]

36. And yet, you've cared enough to post in at least two threads about it

Odd.

[Rebubula]

37. Troy Davis is more apt

Innocent person railroaded into a guilty verdict.


I guess since she is white and cute - she is not deserving of the same sympathy and energy as Troy Davis...

[demmiblue]

11. Having a fair trial is not luck; it is the way it should be (though I don't know if it was fair).

There are many here that give a pass to the PTB in terms of Gitmo and drones.

[alsame]

12. She's lucky this happened in a country that doesn't have

the death penalty. Otherwise she could be dead by now, guilty or not.

[banned from Kos]

16. one of the two males in the flat is a murderer - Amanda covered up the truth

She is not innocent - she is complicit.

[malaise]

21. She won the appeal - verdict overturned for murder

Guilty of defamation

[MADem]

25. No--the murderer has long left the country. IMO. NT

[Renew Deal]

26. Guess you were wrong.

[banned from Kos]

35. No - the murderer is serving a 30-yr term - I only said Amanda was not

forthright.

We know she lied.

[devilgrrl]

19. I think she's a punk who couldn't care less that her roommate was murdered

whether she's guilty or not - her character is sketchy.

[uppityperson]

28. She should be imprisoned for not caring about her roommate. Wow.

[devilgrrl]

29. She couldn't care to begin with.

Why would she now?

[uppityperson]

33. So she should be in jail for not caring? Wow.

Ed to add, but wait! You don't care about her, so does that mean you should be in jail, or called a dismal human being or any of those other things you've been writing?

[MADem]

42. That logic doesn't make a lick of sense, does it?

Even assholes (and I am not saying Knox is one) deserve to be convicted/acquitted on the merits, not on their personalities.

[elias7]

48. Amazed to hear that on DU.

Things sure have changed. You sure you in the right place?

[countryjake]

22. She's Free!

[Broderick]

31. Totally the right call

[countryjake]

41. It may or may not be the right call, but I get the point of the OP...

a cute little white American girl walks away from a murder conviction in a foreign country, while the USA is STILL holding who knows how many innocent people, prisoners, without ever even charging them with anything.

The chutzpah of a superpower. Pop the champagne corks and celebrate.

[JuniperLea]

46. Thank you for stating the obvious...

Which was overlooked by so many in their attempt to give their ill-informed opinion as people who merely had THE NEWS from which to garner their information.

Yikes... this place is scary as hell.

[Uben]

30. Lucky? If innocent, I'd say she was very UNLUCKY!

How do you equate being tried falsely for the murder of someone to luck? And then, you string it together with Gitmo detainees and terrorists killed by drones? That is totally absurd.

Gosh, you think innocence might have something to do with the verdict?

[malaise]

34. Well way luckier than Trroy Davis n/t

[Rebubula]

38. True...

...but 2 wrongs do not make a right....

[JVS]

44. I refuse to regard someone not having her rights violated as lucky or privileged.

She's getting nothing more than what she is due.

Now the other people are very unfortunate, but that does not make her lucky.

[JuniperLea]

45. You are correct in that malaise...

I don't know if she was guilty or not, neither does anyone else who wasn't in that court room every single day of the trial... but you will see many 'experts' in this thread who think they know best... based on what they heard... get this... wait for it...


IN THE NEWS!!!

:rofl:

Oh boy, seems there's more than ONE born every minute!

[Swede]

49. Prosecutor Giuliano Mignini has made elaborate conspiracy accusations before.

On ABC's 20/20,they had 2 men on that were prosecuted by Mignini. One called him unbalanced. Both had their charges dropped. Occam's razor.