DU.....Please SHOW ME.....

[FrenchieCat]

I'm starting this thread because I want those saying that the Tea Party has every right to be part of the OWS movement to please stop that propaganda or show me.

Today, I have had to refute those who are trying to assert that the Tea Party was formed to protest Bank Bail outs. I say that the Tea Party was formed to protest the anger of some that Pres. Obama was proposing programs to provide families avoid foreclosures.

So, if someone can show me the Tea Party protest PRIOR to Santelli's rant a month after the President was inaugurated, in where he asked people to protest the fact that they might have to pay for their neighbor's poor decision, I'd like to see it.

I need a Tea Party Protest which would have occurred prior to THIS rant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQQfzXQ6UjA&feature=related

Headline the next day....Friday, 20 Feb 2009
Should America Join Santelli's "Tea Party" Protesting Mortgage Relief?

Rick Santelli's "rant of the year" has touched a nerve with those who feel the government is promoting "bad behavior" when it tries to help 9 million U.S. families avoid foreclosure.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29299044/Should_America_Join_Santelli_s_Tea_Party_Protesting_Mortgage_Relief

Tea Party protests were initially to protest mortgage relief, not bank bail outs.....
They allowed the media to get others to believe they were protesting
bank bailouts....but that wasn't their aim. These protests started less than a month
after this President was inaugurated, as soon as he proposed programs to help homeowners.

so ENOUGH with the propaganda!

[WhiteTara]

1. Tea Party = Koch Brothers and Dick Armey.

The puppets on the street are just extras that paid a day rate.

[FrenchieCat]

2. My thoughts......

I want to know if anyone believes that about the Tea Party protest....
that they were first initiated to protest bank bailouts (which occurred in 2008).

Thanks in advance! :hi:

[CTyankee]

8. It's all phony. The relief for homeowners was just a sham, a way to insert the

Tea Party wedge and make it look like a grass roots phenomenon. It morphed into lots of racist shit, too, but that is to be expected from these vile people. And the MSM went right along with the sham. Just like they did with W's "ranch" in Crawford.

I hope the OWS has uncorked the bottle so all of this vicious poison can drain out...

[Whisp]

21. there was no Tea Party in 2008. whoever says so is very wrong.

CNN started advertising for them about a month or so after Obama was inaugurated.

best of my recollection, anyways. which isn't all that great sometimes.

[Little Star]

3. I remember it the same way as you. That ass Santelli was the one..

who blew the dog whistle that gave birth to the tea-partiers. I can't stand him!

[FrenchieCat]

4. And it was because he felt that the Government shouldn't help those

who were being foreclosed on.....

[Little Star]

13. That's exactly how I remember it. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

27. The top down infrastructure was already in place before the Tea Party. Santelli was the messenger.

Domain names were already registered, web sites already were already created and poised for launch, and "leaders" were appointed.

[Whisp]

5. the ones that want the Tea Party at the protest

might actually want their despicable Obama signs there. is my guess.

[FrenchieCat]

7. But then why would such a person post here?

Someone who is sooo wrong about the facts of what actually happened
at the very beginning? :shrug:

[DesertFlower]

6. i agree. never heard of the tea party before

obama was elected.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Yep......

They were made to grow even more during the Health Care Debate....
but none of the Tea Party's aims would qualify them to take a part
in the current Occupy Wall Street protest. In fact, the Tea Party
is a big part of the problem.

[Whisp]

24. why anyone of any kind of left perspective would want the Baggers there....

oiy!

the only movement they belong in is the flush bowel kind

[CTyankee]

11. ain't that a co-inkydinky?

[malaise]

16. You are 100% correct

:fistbump:

[meegbear]

9. And who are those saying that the Tea Party has every right to be part of the OWS movement?

Link(s)?

[FrenchieCat]

14. I cannot link to those comments, as that would make this thread

qualified for the lock.

But one of the thread is here at GD and is one in which I participated.

[meegbear]

18. Them PM me the link title

[meegbear]

26. Thanks ...

talking out of their ass. It's not even apples and oranges, more like apples and telephones.

[Little Star]

19. OWS needs them about as much as they need Ron Paul. UGH!

[RockaFowler]

12. I'm sick of the whole false tea party

And I don't believe they should be there!!

[Little Star]

15. They were astroturfed in their infancy & were not bright enough to know it. n/t

[kctim]

20. Then how can the OWS protest

claim to represent 99% of the people if 99% of the people should not be there?

[Whisp]

25. surely, you kiddeth....

:crazy:

[Luminous Animal]

28. I have no problem with any tea partier attending OWS. But if "The Tea Party" sought to endorse

OWS, I've little doubt that the General Assembly would reject that endorsement.

[FrenchieCat]

32. Why would they attend OWS, when their entire agenda is the opposite

of what OWS protestors want? :shrug:

[Luminous Animal]

34. I have been in intermittent contact with many of my old high school friends

and acquaintances, several have been to tea party meetings, a couple of them are active. Those the most active are also the most right wing religious and wouldn't even entertain discussing 99.99% of the items on the OWS General Assembly's agenda. Keep in mind that these are men and women in their early to mid 50s.

The Tea Party is not a monolith. The top down messaging will stay on point, but for some that I know, there is undirected anger looking for a movement. They, personally, do not have an agenda but want answers and solutions. They are watching their adult & college age children struggle... they are not seeing much future for their college age children and even less for their grandchildren. What they do see is Fox News, CNN, & MSNBC and none of those three give much relief from pro-corporate narrative.

To say the least, my conversations with them (for those who have allowed the conversations to continue) have been interesting but fortunately, we've all been willing to listen to each other. For me, as an activist, it has been satisfying to see cracks in their assertions.

[FrenchieCat]

35. Well, you are describing folks whith a gripe but without a movement....

That's different from those who bought into what the Corporate media sold them,
and actually believe all of that, and who support Republicans and despise Democrats.

[Luminous Animal]

37. They do describe themselves as Tea Party members. They do see themselves,

though not particularly active, as part of a movement. They'll go to a rally now and again, write their congresscritter based on recommendations from the Tea Party "leaders" but they are not organizational in any sense nor do they attend regular meetings.

OWS is purposely non-partisan. There is no reason for any one there to turn away people who are willing to be part of the solution and not part of the problem no matter what political label they slap on themselves.

[FrenchieCat]

38. "willing to be part of the solution"?

Tea Party is a big part of the problem.

Have you seen the shit that they are pulling since they won in 2010?

Anyways...it will all sort itself out...so whatever.

[kctim]

40. And that makes sense

but the poster said they should not be there at all.

[FarLeftFist]

17. Why would a group who OPPOSES mortgage relief for middle class homeowners want to join...

A movement based on less corporate control and wanting more Govt action? There is a great video on the front page of DU that shows a man talking to a FOX news reporter stating that they WANT Obama to help the poor, advocating FOR universal health insurance, etc. This movement is the exact opposite of the Tea Party. The TP tries to PROTECT the top 1%. They are their Messiah.

[FrenchieCat]

22. That's my understanding as well......

I was even wondering why "Free Market no Regulation" Ron Paul Supporters were in there trying to co opted this movement which is the exact opposite from what Ron Paul and his supporters Believe.

[lunatica]

23. The Tea Party was bankrolled to disrupt Democratic Town Hall meetings

It was created and nurtured to be the Party of No. The loudmouths who took their guns to the meetings declaring their 2nd Amendment rights like anyone was threatening them. They were awakened by Sarah Palins Banshee Siren Songs and whipped into a frenzy of hate by the Koch brothers minions and bused in to be loud and brainlessly rude.

[leftstreet]

36. +1

[deaniac21]

29. Here is the history from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

[FrenchieCat]

31. From your link.....

First national protests

On February 19, 2009,<52> in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, CNBC Business News editor Rick Santelli criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages, which had just been announced the day before. He said that those plans were "promoting bad behavior"<53> by "subsidizing losers' mortgages". He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather and dump the derivatives in the Chicago River on July 1.<54><55><56> A number of the floor traders around him cheered on his proposal, to the amusement of the hosts in the studio. Santelli's "rant" became a viral video after being featured on the Drudge Report.<57>

Overnight, websites such as ChicagoTeaParty.com (registered in August 2008 by Chicagoan Zack Christenson, radio producer for conservative talk show host Milt Rosenberg,) were live within 12 hours.<58> About 10 hours after Santelli's remarks, reTeaParty.com was bought to coordinate Tea Parties scheduled for Independence Day and, as of March 4, was reported to be receiving 11,000 visitors a day.<58>

According to The New Yorker writer Ben McGrath<52> and New York Times reporter Kate Zernike,<42> this is where the movement was first inspired to coalesce under the collective banner of "Tea Party". By the next day, guests on Fox News had already begun to mention this new "Tea Party".<59>

As reported by The Huffington Post, a Facebook page was developed on February 20 calling for Tea Party protests across the country.<60> Soon, the "Nationwide Chicago Tea Party" protest was coordinated across over 40 different cities for February 27, 2009, thus establishing the first national modern Tea Party protest.<61><62> The movement has been supported nationally by at least 12 prominent individuals and their associated organizations.<63>

[deaniac21]

44. It just looked comprehensive so I provided a link. I wasn't

interested enough to actually read it. That would be time I could never get back.

[abelenkpe]

30. Tea party is for taxed enough already

They were anti tax protests. After Obama was elected they all thought their taxes were going to go up. They still think the president is trying to raise their taxes.
Somehow they miss the point that when democrats talk about letting the bush tax cuts expire that they are also trying to keep the tax cuts for everyone making under 250,000 a year (200,000 for individuals) but ONLY raise them on those who can afford to pay more. (thank you FOX news)
They blame the economic crisis on government regulations and policies, the poor, immigrants, and irresponsible youth for taking out loans they couldn't afford. Never do they blame the financial industry, banks, lobbyists or the wealthy. Tea partiers are part of the 99 percent but still fight for policies that harm them and keep them down.
Do they belong at the OWS protests? Despite not wanting them around because I'm sick of their stubborn stupidity, they actually are part of the 99 percent but I'd be surprised if they showed up at all. And if they do, can't imagine tea partiers or libertarians would stay once they realize that unions also support OWS. Especially after spending the past two years foaming at the mouth at how all public sector unions are evil.

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. TEABAGGERS = MINUTEMAN! They are the same group. They just changed their name.

They are racist, xenophobic, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic FREAKS who have NO PLACE NEAR the OWS!

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105240028



<snip>
The IREHR report documented several examples of Minuteman leaders morphing into Tea Party figures. Among them:

Eight state chapter leaders of the Patriot Action Network (The IREHR report refers to Resistnet, which has morphed into Patriot Action Network), the second largest Tea Party group in the country, are former state chapter leaders of either the Minuteman Project or the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.
Tea Party Express event organizer Kristinn Taylor is the former media spokesperson for the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.
The two leaders of TeaParty.org (also known as 1776 Tea Party) transitioned into their roles directly from top leadership positions with the Minuteman Project. TeaParty.org head Stephen Eichler was the executive director of the Minuteman Project and Tea Party.org co-director Tim Bueler was its media director before they assumed control of Tea Party.org in the fall of 2009. Bueler is also the publicist for birther and North American Union conspriacist Jerome Corsi. The IHRER report describes Tea Party.org as "the one national faction most directly connected to the Minuteman Project and the anti-immigrant movement."<snip>

MORE at Media Matters link above.

NO Democrat, Liberal or Progressive should be supporting the Teabaggers participating in ANYTHING we do.

[stevenleser]

39. I am so glad I am on record on national tv calling the Tea Party a Sham and a Fraud 4 days before

their first ever protest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW5K84qhvHo

[zalinda]

41. If you are talking about the 'leaders' of the Tea Party

you are correct. But not all who joined the Tea Party are like the 'leaders'. People joined the Tea Party because they are angry, period. This was the only party that matched what they are feeling. And, yes, the majority of those in the Tea Party may be Republicans, there are also Independents and Democrats, those that feel that they have no voice.

The OWS is exactly what some who had joined the Tea Party were angry about. Wouldn't you want them to join our collective anger, rather than a Republicans? The normal human beings who are suffering, and joined the Tea Party, are not the ones you see on TV. As I've said before, if you are drowning, you will take help from the first person who has the strength to offer it.

zalinda

[Capitalocracy]

43. Well, the real leaders of the Tea Party are part of the 1%. nt

[Capitalocracy]

42. Well, they have the "right" to in the sense that people have the right to protest...

and it's not some sort of private protest where people who disagree aren't welcome. But is it logical in terms of the ideology they hold for them to protest, or for all the Ron Paul signs to be there? No, doesn't make any sense at all.

[JoeyT]

45. The Tea Party before the health care reform battles

was about fifteen libertarians sitting around crying to one another about how terribly oppressed white men were.
Now that their financiers have decided it isn't cost effective to keep busing all those Hoverrounds from place to place, they're pretty much back down to that.

I don't remember any complaining about the bank bailouts from them.

[slipslidingaway]

47. The bailouts had not happened in 2007 when they raised millions in one day ...

the "tea party" idea was taken over by others.

15 liberterians contributed millions in one day???

[slipslidingaway]

46. Ron Paul Tea Party 2007 Los Angeles,Ca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGB8BeUWtwA

Michael Moore is right when he says there is not any particular party or movement behind the protests.

Everyone has a right to be there.

Wrong and wrong IMO...

"...Today, I have had to refute those who are trying to assert that the Tea Party was formed to protest Bank Bail outs. I say that the Tea Party was formed to protest the anger of some that Pres. Obama was proposing programs to provide families avoid foreclosures..."


Tea Party 2007: Ron Paul Sets a New Campaign Fund-Raising Record
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/488021/tea_party_2007_ron_paul_sets_a_new.html?cat=9

"...And just like before, this fund drive was not organized by the Ron Paul campaign offices but by Ron Paul's supporters themselves. And for those who might miss the significance in the date of the first fund raising drive since it was on a date more famous in Britain than in America (Guy Fawkes Night - Gunpowder Plot) today's drive should be more familiar to those familiar with American history because December 16th, 2007 is the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, an event that was emblematic of the then coming American Revolution..."

Ron Paul: The Tea Party Is Now Corporately Owned
http://freakoutnation.com/2011/02/24/ron-paul-the-tea-party-is-now-corporately-owned/

"...Dr. Paul admits that the Tea Party is now corporately owned. Original Tea Partiers give credit to its inception to Dr. Paul. Worth noting is that Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act, leaving him fairly ostracized from his own party. While many of his political beliefs I give pause to, auditing the Fed is not one of them.

Corporatism in the Tea Party negates the grassroots movement which it once claimed to be — have you heard them recently still claim their party to be a grassroots movement?"


Ron Paul Helped Inspire the Tea Party Movement, and Now It Could Take Him Down
http://www.alternet.org/news/145630/ron_paul_helped_inspire_the_tea_party_movement,_and_now_it_could_take_him_down/

"...Sarah Palin may be the face of the Tea Party movement today, but it started with Ron Paul in 2007..."


Google "ron paul tea party 2007"

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=ron+paul+tea+party+2007&pbx=1&oq=ron+paul+tea+party+2007&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=0l0l3l36474705l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=569ce67a91048ad5&biw=1366&bih=596