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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 03:59 PM Original message |
Gay men seek right to donate blood |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. I thought they "fixed" this? nt |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That was in the UK and only celibate gays. |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Is there a questionaire that asks if your're gay when you give blood? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Yes. It also asks if you've had sex with a man who has had gay sex. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. They also ask if you've ever exchanged money for sex |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. That was very bad of you. But I laughed...nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
91. LOL, damn. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
94. yeah but that question only defers you for a year |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Ok, I don't recall them qualifying it with a one year period |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. don't think this is a great idea |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. They can say that with as much certainty about "gay blood" as "straight blood" |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Well, I'm sure there are good scientific reasons for the ban |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Hetero blood has a tiny risk, too, ya know? |
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TriMera (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Then you had better not get a blood transfusion. You know, |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It's been policy since 1985 and yes, all blood is tested. |
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TriMera (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Thank you. n/t |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. I agree- especially since there are blood-borne diseases... |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
86. But the tests aren't 100% reliable |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. NO test is 100% accurate. |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. Then... |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. You're absolutely right n/t |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Exactly. EVERYONE should be ruled out with that criteria. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. i would hope they do it with ALL blood seeing how a number of hetro also have/had aids |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Where are you getting this information from????? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Can you link us to "studies showing that gay men tend to be more promiscuous? |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Hmm, there seems to be a lot of politics around these studies |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Not politics, religion. That's the church pushing that meme. |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I don't see how allowing the small percentage of gay men |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Way to move the goalposts. There is always a shortage; always a need. |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I'm sure the supply will be there |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I care because am a blood drive coordinator and not a homophobe. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. yet you write above you hold a dim view of all men, so why single out gay men? Why not all men? |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. yes, all men, and that includes gay men |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. Most men are not angles, I agree. However, everything else you write works for women also. AND |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. now you are just being sarcastic |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. No, not being sarcastic. You hold men in a dim view, so ban all men. AND then anyone |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. I don't know |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. OK, I'll bite. If you basing this on your own experience... |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. heh heh |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Sorry. Happily married here. |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. that doesn't mean |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. does it really matter when it comes to the safety of our blood. the risk is there. |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. How about a link to those studies so I can see where you are getting your information?. n/t |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. He pulled it out of his |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. lol, I think a lot of people get their information from that exact place. Thanks for the laugh. n/ |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. "gay men tend to be more promiscuous?" |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. first... |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. agree- just like hepatitis |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. They do it, but there are flaws in the process. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. And how is it that they do not ask about heterosexual risk factors |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. They do, to a point. They ask about being paid for sex, IV drug use, tattoos, etc. |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. Then they better screen out "straight" black men. Could be on the down-low, you know. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. yikes... |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. Blood is never infected with AIDS |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
93. Homophobic to the extreme. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. The NY State AIDS Institute puts the probability of getting HIV infected blood at |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
97. There are a battery of tests that donated blood must go through |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
123. Are you fucking serious? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. That's crazy... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The policy was put in place when testing was not as advanced as it is now. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. Fear drives stupidity to high places... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
14. i thought they had ended this. nt |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. That was in the UK and only celibate gays. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. no fuckin way.... shameful. nt |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
39. I'm not allowed to donate |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Your deferral is VERY different. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
41. Here's the CDC's data on new cases HIV infections for 2009. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. You understand that we have fancy tests that can detect HIV now, right? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. You understand that they are not perfect? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. So no one should donate blood? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
104. Its called risk minimization and even the ARC and others have not made the case |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #104 |
133. They did make the case - just didn't convince the FDA in 2006 under the Bush administration. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
121. They are worried more about survey error in changing the lifetime ban than anything else |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. Which is still not 100% perfect and, *MORE IMPORTANTLY*, detects the antibodies that... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I replied to this ridiculous notion upthread |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Your upthread reply proves nothing. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Can you cite your source? I contend you're wrong. HIV tests are extremely accurate. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. In your link, it talks about the window period. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I added this |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Yes, they're the same for everyone. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Yes, they're the same for everyone. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. The "Window" can be up to six months. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. lol, read your own copy and paste. |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Thanks Tesha. n/t |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. good stats, Tesha |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
88. Delete. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
90. You forgot to mention the piece right below your graph: |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #90 |
138. Those numbers are a lot less disproportionate than the numbers for MSM. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. You are using the incidence rate from one year out of a 30 year epidemic |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. 'Seems to me like we should use a pretty recent year; 2009 is the latest data on... |
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TeamsterDem (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
51. WTF? Gay men cannot donate blood? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Not since 1985. |
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TeamsterDem (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Thanks for the answer, Nikki. It's as I suspected: More American paranoia |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. What you are missing is that the tests are not perfect |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I replied to this ridiculous notion upthread |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
103. But have not answered the issues it raises |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Please show us that an increased statistical risk exists. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Actually Nicki already cited number from a model that show that |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Of course it's miniscule. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Any risk without commensurate increase in reward is a bad thing |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Don't conflate my argument with other posters. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. You stated much the same as she did in post 95 |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. The threat of lawsuits is a typical libertarian argument against any progressive policy change. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #118 |
128. I do not see this as political right vs left vs libertarian vs socialist |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. I'm wondering, what other activities should gay men be barred from participating. |
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TeamsterDem (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
89. Maybe not, but I'm not convinced that banning gay men from donating avoids any risk |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
109. Its fairly straight forward |
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TeamsterDem (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. Your argument presumes there is additional risk posed by gay men |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Even the supporters of changing the rules admit that there is the minimal possibility of undetected |
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TeamsterDem (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. That some others agree with you isn't my argument |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #116 |
141. Being gay is not a risk. You sound like you are protecting teh gays by not allowing them |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #109 |
140. "If there is no major good to be gained, why add additional risk?" What additional risk? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
55. I too have a lifetime deferral, but I support this |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. The Red Cross has been trying to lift ban for YEARS. |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
73. "red cross" Get the feeling you are dealing... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
101. They are also asking for total legal indemnity which the Fed Government is not willing to provide |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. So why not change the deferral to, say, 8 months since you last had a new sexual partner? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Exactly. The lifetime deferral when a man has had gay sex since 1977 is ridiculous. |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
92. I could make comments on statistics and reliability of tests and how the HIV virus is leaving the |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
98. For all those who support this ban on public health grounds |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I wholeheartedly agree... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. I am under the lifetime deferral as well |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #102 |
119. What's your "deferral" for? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #119 |
130. Same one that is the topic here |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #102 |
125. You've brought up your friend dying from contaminated blood products |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #125 |
131. It was very early |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #102 |
127. When I used to lie and give |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #98 |
124. +1. nt |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
100. Worldwide, HIV has always been a heterosexual virus. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
107. John Kerry says "not a single piece of scientific evidence supports the ban" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. John Kerry is not a scientist |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #110 |
117. Kerry's statement is based on reports he read from Scientists, that's why he is trying to lift the |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #110 |
122. Yeah, he's not a stem-cell researcher but he has an opinion that doesn't jibe with.. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #122 |
132. Also, think about the 2006 attempts to lift - under what administration was the FDA? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
112. It looks like all these years later, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #112 |
126. i heard about this a couple years ago and really could not believe. my two BIL's are the type |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #112 |
136. People born in certain African countries are banned. |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
134. Blood donation rules IMO need to be re-evaluated. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. I agree with part of your post. |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Further clarification and response: |
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