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LuckyTheDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:09 PM Original message |
OK, tell me again why socialism is a bad thing |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Capitalism makes rich people richer and that's the most important thing in the world. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because it's socialism! |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. Socialism attempts to maximize the well being of the population, not to maximize total wealth |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
4. Ask Russia and China - they abandoned it. |
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socialshockwave (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. They abandoned it allright. |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Yep - I doubt any advocate of Socialism here would want to live in |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
74. Doubt all you want, but having lived in both I would take |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I would be interested to know more about this |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. In one sentence, it was a matter of living a good fulfilling life |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. I felt much that way at Hedonism in Jamaica |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Russia and China didn't have socialism -- they had Stalinist and Maoist communism |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. You have proved only that power corrupts no matter which form of government |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. You are confusing political systems with economic systems. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. They are different? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. Of course they are different. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I agree -- and I support people bonding together to have cooperatives and |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
61. You can't separate the two. Socialism requires that a small group of |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. You are mistaken. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Seriously? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. No. Socialism would allow more people to reach their full potential than capitalism can. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. There is no "potential" in a socialist society |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I'm done with this. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I've read Engels, I've read Marx, I've read Parenti, Chomsky, Keynes, Kant, |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Your views on socialism are the same things I've heard on right-wing hate radio. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Well, |
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Stardust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #90 |
132. You've lived in Sweden and can actually say, "There's no self, no excellence?" |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. No Popper? I am Open Society myself. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. In fact, I'm particularly interested in |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. I'll admit I have no clue what Camebert is, but I'll try and answer this. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #91 |
115. You can get camembert at your local grocery store |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
128. Capitalism took 6 or 8 hundred years to develop and dominate... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
101. As J. Edgar Hoover always specifically stated .... "totalitarian communism" .... not socialism ...!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Deleted message |
banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. So did you prefer the Soviet system or Maoism? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. No, I am just a realist who admires Canada/Germany and other market economies |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. um... their healthcare is socialized |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Capitalism generates the wealth to pay for it. nt |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Capitalism doesn't generate wealth. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. This is the End Game answer... it's a winner |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. They both do and should be taxed at the same rate. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
121. It would certainly be a boon for tax free investments. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
96. The German system would fail without capitalism |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
99. K/R --- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
98. Socialism is respected all over the world ... that's why Hitler co-opted the NAZI party .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
102. Why would anyone prefer "totalitarian communism" which is not socialism ... ???? |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. The worldwide revolution failed |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. Universal health care is socialist. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
100. Capitalism is simply exploitation --- of nature, natural resources and labor -- humanity -- planet - |
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Puregonzo1188 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
111. Soviet Union and China also claimed to be democratic, as do the Democratic Republic of Korea. |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why is it you believe capitalism is superior? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. Pure socialism tends to end up |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. I'm a Democratic Socialist so I can tell you how it's a good thing |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. it's in the Bible |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
10. That depens on what kind of socialism you mean |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Damn - that may be the best post I have ever read here. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. you should try a right wing site |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. omg 'The gene pool will be the better for it in the long run.' I did NOT just read that on DU ?! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Boiled down to its essence, capitalism is eugenics. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I thought we liked science here instead of messianic bullshit |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. How is 'smart or clean' science? |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I suppose that's debatable |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Care to explain what he said that was "messianic bullshit?" |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. what part wasn't? n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. not an answer |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Well, why don't you take a stab at it, genius? It's pretty frickin' simple. n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. no that's your problem, know-it-all... it isn't simple. Answer the question above |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. It's absolutely simple |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. well then, you have all the answers |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. No, I don't see the irony. n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. lol... alrighty then! (nt) |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Yeah, I was preparing a courteous response, but that sentence convinced me it would be a waste of |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. I can be very courteous, and quite logical and reasonable, if you care to rethink that. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
53. Along with "I like social stratification" - |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. How am I a fascist because I like social stratification? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. You don't sound Fascist, though you do sound like a Randain. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Do you not like it either? I mean -- excellence? Why do I have to be Randian to aspire to anything? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That's what all capitalists say. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I didn't say anything about capitalism specifically |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
95. Just taking one particular faucet of excellence, |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
114. Don't forget Zaum :) |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. I am impressed. But with this movement originating in 1913 |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. I am VERY prejudiced toward excellence when I buy music! |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. :) n/t |
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exelwood (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Yes, horned rim glasses and fast cars... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
130. I am fine with a socialist/democracy, like FDR put into place, and I |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Multiple millions of people exterminated by their own governments |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
104. You mean totalitarian communism .... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. Socialism for corporations = "stimulus". Socialism for human beings = ZOMG WELFARE1!!!1! nt |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. There are many flavors of capitalism, and not all are inconsistent with socialism |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
105. Capitalism is over -- it's an evil -- and you can't regulate an evil -- we tried -- !! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
21. Socialism is a good thing. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
87. Question... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. Capitalism is not superior, but I can tell you why people think it is superior. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
106. Because they were taught in their classrooms that capitalism = democracy .... |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
26. Because Hitler was a socialist. Duh! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
107. No -- Hitler was a dictator who co-opted the NAZI party and turned it upside down ... !!! |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. They were also very nationalist and rabidly anti-Semitic even before Hitler |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #117 |
125. All of Western Europe was "rabidly anti-Semitic" thanks to the Vatican/Christianity -- !! |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. That is incorrect |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
119. Honestly I didn't think I needed a /sarc tag |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Duh ... !! .... and then I came along .... !!! |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
32. I prefer a mixed economy |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Don't call myself Socialist........... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Agreed! |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. I lived in a social democratic state |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Wow. You do realize Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, the strongest examples of social-democracy |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. I lived in Sweden |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. And they cannot stand the Muslims n/t |
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PragmaticLiberal (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. How would you define socialism? |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
45. "If folks like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh ... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
57. Capitalism is not superior to Socialism, if true Socialism ever happens. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. great post |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. I can't because socialism is a good thing. eom |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
88. If we dropped the labels of "capitalism" and "socialism" for just a moment... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
108. You can't have democracy without economic democracy -- capitalism ain't it -- !!! |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #108 |
131. As I said, lets move beyond the labels for just a sec |
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socialshockwave (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
89. My problem |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. The USSR launched the first satellite I'd say that's a techinoglai achievement. |
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socialshockwave (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Yes, but: |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #92 |
112. Those kinds of achievements are all well and good |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
109. No dictatorship is socialism .... USSR was "totalitarian communism" per J. Edgar Hoover --!! |
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reformist2 (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
97. Forget both "isms" - lets just work together to create a new system that works. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
103. I think capitalism can be a fine thing... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Capitalism is an evil -- you can't regulate an evil --NEW DEAL did that .... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. It's not a living thing that you can ascribe a term like evil to... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #113 |
123. Rape is a tool of war -- is it an evil? Of course capitalism is an evil system -- !! |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
116. Capitalism = those who post on the internet in ALL CAPS make the rules. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. +1. Nice ;) |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
120. Because it validates the marginally intelligent inheritor class as worthy. |
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FreeJoe (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
126. I prefer a blend |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
127. Stiglitz at OWS: "[Banks] are supposed to allocate capital and manage risk, |
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