They're Not Laughing Anymore... A Hedge Fund Manager Writes This:

[WillyT]

<snip>

And while it would be easy to write off these so-called protests as diffuse expressions of general twentysomething malaise, as they have grown, they have developed into something more dangerous: Organizing and promoting an "occupation" distinguishes this effort as that of a mob.

There is no right to disrupt traffic or occupy other people's property, no matter if it's one lunatic individual or the 99% of the public protesters claim to represent. What's so lamentable about "Occupy Wall Street" isn't even their collectivist goals but the means by which they go about to achieve them: force and intimidation.

Merriam-Webster defines "occupy" as "to take or hold possession or control of," which is exactly what the protestors have done. Just yesterday, 700 people were arrested in New York blocking cars on the Brooklyn Bridge. "These are our streets, we will occupy them" proclaims the Chicago group's fliers. Yet it's not the ideas they hope will persuade onlookers, but their obstruction. For more than two weeks they've camped out in front of the Chicago Board of Trade and other financial centers, banging drums, barking demands and disrupting people working in neighboring offices.

Capitalism, the system "Occupy Wall Street" so feverishly wants to bury, operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat. Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good, but as independent individuals with their own lives. From the professional on the trading floor to the kid selling lemonade, investors know that if you want something from someone else, you can't simply demand it by occupation, you have to trade for it, just as others must trade with you.

That's the justice protestors are seeking to destroy.

<snip>

Jonathan Hoenig is managing member at Capitalistpig Hedge Fund LLC.

Link: http://www.smartmoney.com/invest/markets/occupy-wall-street-a-sad-display-1317656344023/?link=SM_clm_sum

:kick:

[ixion]

1. they're getting nervous, and that's a good sign

and Mr. Hoenig can go take a flying f**k at the moon.

[kestrel91316]

27. Nervous? I effin' hope they are terrified.

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. Anonymous appear to have well considered this, and their initial volley was to strike fear.

[Enthusiast]

203. kr.............Well,

Let's wheel one of these babies out there.

[drmeow]

218. I SOOOO agree eod

[kestrel91316]

236. Completely appropriate. As one of my favorite authors, Ferenc Mate, said in

his fantastic book A Reasonable Life, regarding CEOs and such who leave their trail of tears and damaged lives/environment for the sake of profits: A tisket, a tasket, let's fill that little basket (re the basket that catches the heads).

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[peace frog]

146. Mohandas K. Gandhi quote:

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

We've cleared the first two and have just entered the third realm.

[MsPithy]

152. EXCELLENT POINT!

Well worth shouting out the recognition of your excellent point. Truisms are true, and are so fucking predictable. Rich people will never change, let's hope it doesn't end with guillotines, this time.

[peace frog]

163. Guillotine, hardly

but the police have many weapons in their arsenal against peaceful demonstration. Pray they are not ordered to use them.

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[peace frog]

199. "Deleted message" Shucks, what did I miss?

Anyone see it? Thanks.

[Aaria]

227. They should pray that they stay peaceful.

[roguevalley]

167. what a chicken shit mother fucker. I hope someone gives him

a bad day. He earned it, the COWARD!!

[vanbean]

174. Mr. Hoenig needs to redefine his version of capitalism.

[Bozita]

214. John Maynard Keynes quote on capitalism ...

Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all. - John Maynard Keynes

[kestrel91316]

237. I'm stealing that one for my siggy!!

[Bozita]

259. It looks good on you!

Wear it in good health.

[Tunkamerica]

2. Don't we own the streets? I mean, local tax dollars came from people

too few come from these companies.

[Capitalocracy]

9. Whose streets?

Our streets.

[jtrockville]

17. OUR STREETS!!

[Leopolds Ghost]

34. Well, except for the ones they want to privatize.

[redgiant]

50. Also belong to the people trying to use *their* streets to...

...like actually get to work.

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[Ikonoklast]

66. Aren't you precious?

Please name one person who was prevented from going to work by a protestor in NYC.

I'll wait.

[TomClash]

194. I've walked by the protesters at more than one location

almost every day since this started. I never had a problem getting to work. They're more polite than the tourists.

[MedicalAdmin]

217. Ooooooo. I got one.

I heard from the son of my barber's nephew's daughter's grandfather's butcher's tailor's second cousin, twice removed that he heard that is was the grandson of the that lady in the 80's on welfare who was driving that cadillac.

Or maybe the unibomber.



Where do they get these sockpuppets?

[SammyWinstonJack]

67. Well bless your heart. Wall St thanks you for your support,

:silly:

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[sabrina 1]

116. Police blocked traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge!

Just correcting the false info that it was the protestors for you. They also blocked traffic last weekend on 12th St. Go talk to the NYPD. Anyone who had a problem getting to work, had it because of the NYPD. $4.6 million dollars from Morgan Chase wouldn't have anything to do with the NYPD protecting their interests, I'm sure!

[white_wolf]

129. If protesters blocking traffic annoys you, you are going to hate this story:

http://www.marxist.com/belgium-street-cleaners-paralyse-brussels.htm

[oldbanjo]

220. That was interesting. THANKS

[Fumesucker]

148. Welcome to DU..

A lot of red giants eventually explode as a supernova..

I hope you enjoy your stay.

:hi:

[socialist_n_TN]

154. Well we undoubtedly know whose side

YOU'RE on.

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[JDPriestly]

172. When did this happen? Wasn't it over the weekend?

Fewer people work on the weekend. Besides, the protestors understood that the police were directing them onto the street and away from the pedestrian walkway above the street where they were walking.

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This PBS report is false.
Posted by JDPriestly in Political Videos
Tue Oct 04th 2011, 12:08 AM


Here is the video showing the police LEADING THE PROTESTORS HEADED TO AND ON THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ONTO THE BRIDGE.

This is police misreporting of what happened. The police entered the street portion of the bridge first. Protestors on the walkway jumped down because they believed that the police wanted them on the street. Quite a few protestors have told the version of the story in which the police led the protestors to the street portion of the bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz172asCf2M

[Devil_Fish]

246. What I saw in that video was police leading people onto the road way. NT

[JDPriestly]

258. Precisely, and I heard on the radio today that someone is suing about this.

It's just a radio report, so I don't know if it is true.

[SemperEadem]

173. get to work robbing the people, you mean

after all, there's all those obscene bonuses they have to collect.

Also, they're so rich, they don't need to work... they pillage for the amusement the suffering of "little people" brings.

[rbixby]

181. Pretty low post count for such trolling.....

you'd think they'd have learned by now....

[Enthusiast]

204. Yeah?

[GreenStormCloud]

88. The people who drive on the streets also own them.

In fact, those streets were made FOR cars, trucks, busses, and such. There are sidewalks for people who are on foot.

[kenfrequed]

122. Uhm... no.

The are paid for both by walkers and drivers. You don't honestly think that the entire cost of the highway system of the state of New York and the road system of the city of New Yoork is paid for exclusively with parking tickets, fines, and vehiclle registration.... do you?

[GreenStormCloud]

183. There are sections of the bridge for walkers and sections for cars.N/T

[kenfrequed]

190. That doesn't answer my question

Actually that kind of dodges it. You seemed to imply that people that walk do not pay for roads by suggeting they do not own them. Prove that the walkers don't pitch in for the freeways, highways, and biways. That was the challenge. It was not "find some part of the city that people that walk 'own' ?" Unlike roads which tend to get state and federal assistance which is paid by drivers and nondrivers alike.

[GreenStormCloud]

211. Read again my first post in this sub-thread.

I said that people who drive ALSO own them. You implied that walkers completely own the road to the exclusion of everyone else. Since both have ownership interest then there is a conflict in who uses the road. I am sure that you would agree that walking in traffic is dangerous to both walker and driver. So society has designated different sections of the road for each to de-conflict them. In fact, this division of the road into driving and walking section is universal to all modern socities. When the person on foot gets into the vehicle lanes he interfers with the driver's right to peaceful use of the driving lanes.

[Liberalynn]

231. Good catch!

The Wall Street asshats are the ones who want it all without working for anything.

[Kennah]

3. After Eric Cantor gets a wedgie and shoved into his locker, Jonathan Hoenig needs the same.

[femrap]

108. I like that image....nt.

[Enthusiast]

205. Me too.

[bluestate10]

245. Me three. nt

[daleanime]

138. save money....

use the same locker.:evilgrin:

[brewens]

215. An atomic wedgie, a swirley and then crammed into his locker! n/t

[TexasTowelie]

4. Jonathan Hoenig is one of the capitalist pigs that belong in jail.

Why would anybody care what that shithead says?

[redgiant]

49. What law(s) did he violate? n/t

[lunatica]

53. If you really want to know Google is your friend

[redgiant]

56. It's quicker to ask the one...

...who has actually said he should be in jail (which implies commission of a crime). Or, do we jail people because we don't like them?

[Raine]

150. Google it and find out whether "we just don't like him" or he has actually

committed a jailable offense. :shrug:

[Indydem]

187. I did teh Google and I can't find the offense. Any help?

[kestrel91316]

240. redgiant to flameout in 3...2...1...

[redgiant]

262. I'm still here...

...but an answer to my question is not. I wonder why.

[Morning Dew]

5. Correction

Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good, but as serfs and pawns in a scheme to take all the wealth.

[RKP5637]

13. And highly rewards sociopathic like behavior. n/t

[quakerboy]

161. The Randian goal

[mindwalker_i]

22. Maybe actual capitalism would work

But these guys have gamed the system so much to eliminate capitalism that the argument is disingenuous at best.

[CoffeeCat]

212. NO DOUBT! This is not capitalism any more...

...and how dare they suggest that the perverted economic system in our country
right now, represents capitalism.

The corporations OWN our government. They've bribed our politicians, who churn out
purchased legislation for all of the big industries.

It's a sick perversion of capitalism.

[white_wolf]

239. Actually this is capitalism.

The means of production are in private hands and operated for profit. That is capitalism.

[Melinda]

99. Amazing. That's the line that jumped out as I read the OP - and you said the very thing I thought!

I swear to whatever higher power there may be that was exactly what went thru my mind when I read it. Then I began reading responses, and bam! there you are.

Serfs and pawns.... that spot on description recalls the photograph taken in the last week or so of our "betters" sipping champagne on the balcony as they laughed at the little people below. It also recalls lessons of history and bloody revolutions. Wall St. needs to learns that people don't like chains.

Well done, gf. Well done. :hug:

[Confusious]

226. As someone once said

I have no problem with Jesus, it's his followers I can't stand.

same goes for capitalism.

If there were rules in place to protect the little guy, and keep the big guys from fucking us all over, it would be a fine system.

[firehorse]

6. hedge fund grifters are as bad as the S&L grifters

At least the S&L ones went to jail.

[DCKit]

44. Not all of them. Too few of them.

It was just for show.

[bengalherder]

7. Now there's some one who feels 'entitled'.

We don't need you Mr. Hoenig. You have nothing to trade in the parlance of your essay. You do shit for work on this earth, you lazy parasite.

But you need us. Because we do the real work that keeps you safe in your comfy cocoon.

Mind your head....

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. +1000000!

:applause:

[geardaddy]

87. Well-played

:applause:

[grasswire]

8. his ilk

This fellow and his ilk say this: "Capitalism, the system "Occupy Wall Street" so feverishly wants to bury, operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat."

But they won't admit that their kind of capitalism operates on racketeering, theft, fraud and intimidation.

[Arctic Dave]

24. You forgot to add, murder.

Other then that, I 100% agree.

[RagAss]

10. You ain't seen shit yet, you little fucking criminal.

[RKP5637]

14. I'm wondering when some of the poorer teabaggers are going to wake up and

realize how badly they've been F'ed over by the wall street and banking gangsters. They just might break away from Fox News just long enough to get a breath of fresh air. Then, all hell is going to break loose if it finally dawns on them they have some of the same issues as the protesters.

[redgiant]

52. What law(s) did he violate? n/t

[lunatica]

54. Google is your friend

[redgiant]

55. It's quicker to ask the one...

...who has said he is a criminal. I mean, no one would say someone else is a criminal unless they knew that for a fact, right?

[lunatica]

63. Ask the poster for a link

That's what old who really want to know do. If you doubt the story ask for a credible source. Otherwise you just sound like you're calling someone out and like you don't have a clue.

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[Enthusiast]

206. RW Plant is on ignore......nt

[Raine]

151. In the time it's taken you to keep asking you could've Googled it

and then you would know.

[redgiant]

265. I did Google it...

...before I asked the question. Perhaps the person who claimed this guy is a criminal has access to some special information. It's one thing to disagree with someone, it's another to label them as a criminal. I understand that more than a few people here think all capitalists are criminals (or should be) but that's probably not what was meant.

[SemperEadem]

177. you're defending him as if you have a junior high school crush on him

why is him being scoffed at by those who really don't care how you think ruffling your feathers so much? What personally do you have at stake in defending him and making him out to be a saint? Is he paying your bills or something?

Madame protests too much, methinks.

[redgiant]

266. See #261

Personally, I think labeling people you disagree with as criminals or someone who should be in jail is a dangerous road to travel. Perhaps that notion is more prevalent than I thought.

[Skittles]

11. LOL

because we know the financial elites NEVER use "force and intimidation" :rofl:

[RKP5637]

16. Yep, not one bully in that crew, just good old boys working hard each day

to make a couple of bucks, just plain old patriotic Americans. :rofl:

[Dawson Leery]

12. Time to return to Kennedy era tax rates for these thugs!

[Historic NY]

15. They're not just hippies Jonathan...& the hippies were right..

http://thirdcoastdigest.com/2010/04/40-things-the-hippies-were-right-about/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKEZoY-TMG4

[mmonk]

23. And still are.

[calimary]

25. Yes. Still ARE.

[Enthusiast]

207. Right on!

[pa28]

18. "to take or hold possession or control of," which is exactly what the protestors have done.

That's the salient point and what we have to keep in mind. The goal was "occupy Wall Street" and the protesters have already succeeded.

This is just the beginning of a larger movement. There is no need for hand wringing over lack of message because OWS has already struck a chord with the simple act of turning out in opposition to the organized concentration of wealth.

They don't need to say anything at all; just the fact protesters have turned out quietly and peacefully in numbers seems to scare the hell out of them. Screaming radicals are much easier to marginalize.

[marions ghost]

145. right

Everyone knows why they're there.

The corporates know VERY well why the OWS protestors are there. :eyes:

Anyone who doesn't know WHY they're there is lying or truly delusional.

[chill_wind]

19. K & R.

First they mock you...

[quaker bill]

20. "you have to trade for it"

what is compliance and cooperation worth?

[Generic Other]

29. sometimes your life

just sayin'

[SomethingFishy]

21. "There is no right to disrupt traffic or occupy other people's propert"

But there is the right to steal peoples retirement money, their pensions, their investments and walk away scott free.

Fuck this guy and his two sets of rules.

[redgiant]

58. Can you provide a link...

...where he has said there is a right to "steal peoples (sic) retirement money...and walk away scott free?" Such a double standard would be wrong.

[SomethingFishy]

60. No I can't.

But if you don't know how many people lost their retirement crash in the economic crash in 2008 you can educate yourself with Google.

[redgiant]

62. Yeah, but you said...

...this individual had two sets of rules. He's come out against illegally occupying public streets or private property. Just wanted to know your source for saying he thinks stealing retirement money is okay so I could hate him too.

[SomethingFishy]

64. Try the movie Inside Job.

Of course you could just assume that he's the only honest person on Wall Street if that makes you feel better... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Also as an after thought... you could go down to Wall Street and tell those damn hippies how horrible they are being to the poor Wall Street Hedge Fund Manager, I'm sure they will appreciate it.

[Melinda]

101. Oooh, I'm liking the way your posting. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[SomethingFishy]

166. Thanks!

Am a bit surprised to find someone defending Wall Street Hedge Fund Managers on a Democratic site but hey, everyone needs a hobby!

[Fuddnik]

168. Stick around. You'll be surprised about a lot of shit some people support.

[kestrel91316]

242. The RW sends lots of trolls over here to play. Plenty of them work 9-5 and are

obviously paid, too.

[redgiant]

261. Ironically...

...the last time I was accused of being a troll was on a political forum that was open to all, but overwhelmingly dominated by fairly extreme RW types. Why was I labeled a troll? Because I challenged the outright falsehoods, hyperbole, unsupported accusations, and rumor being spread about Obama in particular and liberal Democrats in general. I was accused of being a DU troll. So, thanks for the welcome. I guess both ends of the spectrum react the exact same way when their beliefs are challenged. Very enlightening.

[SammyWinstonJack]

69. "Illegally occupying public streets"

Public being the operative word here.

Are you for real?

Or maybe you're a Hedge Fund manager.

[Cherchez la Femme]

114. so obtuse one wonders if he's a comedian

still, he's no Bill Hicks

[coalition_unwilling]

77. One can publicly denounce one set of behaviors whilst saying

absolutely nothing about another equally odious set of behaviors. It's not a crime but it's certainly hypocrisy. Grow up and\or go back to Free Republic.

[Cherchez la Femme]

115. ssssh, you can't tell anyone to go back to Free Republic

for some reason that's against the law here :shrug:

[coalition_unwilling]

196. Oops. I can't keep all those arcane rules straight. But thanks for

the heads up. I'll restrain myself henceforward. :)

[rbixby]

182. So which RW ogranization is paying you to troll here?

Just curious....do they pay you by the hour or by the post?

[crim son]

201. I'm thinking, redgiant, that we are doing some generalizing here

based on what we've observed, read and seen reported. There has been major, deliberate fraud perpetuated by some major players on Wall Street. You are asking wonderful questions and I wonder if perhaps you are missing the big picture.

I don't like generalizations either; they weaken an argument. Having said that, how do you think we came to find ourselves in this national economic mess? I'd like to hear your opinion, especially as I can expect from you documented fact and not hyperbole.

[me b zola]

223. What brings you to DU?

[Cherchez la Femme]

112. Since you so need links, here's one for you:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asshat

...if the hat fits, wear it. :shrug:

[AllyCat]

157. Ummm...that is exactly what they are doing. This criminal didn't SAY it,

but they do it everyday and don't believe it is stealing...just them "living their own lives".

[MedicalAdmin]

219. Mom always said...

"Watch what they do and ignore what they say. What they do is who they are."


Wall Street steals. I don't give a flying fig what they say. The same goes for our corrupt political class.

[truedelphi]

188. And it should be pointed out that from what I have heard

The police forced the protesters onto the bridge, and then some of the protesters were shoved from the bridge sidewalk out into the pavement. Then they could be arrested for blocking traffic.

[Fuzz]

26. Hey asshole, the top 1% own the casino and the people making the rules, it's not capitalism anymore.

[eppur_se_muova]

28. "Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good" ... pffffft.

Capitalism treats men as disposable commodities, anytime there is even a marginal chance it might boost profits.

[JVS]

41. He's absolutely right. Capitalism treats men as sacrifices to the private good.

[Critters2]

94. Touche'! nt

[caveat_imperator]

171. "Capitalism treats men as disposable commodities,

anytime there is even a marginal chance it might boost profits."
That's what I think as well. And I'm sure Jonathan Hoenig knows that that happy capitalist world he wrote about is bullshit.

[PETRUS]

31. Wow

What a bunch of obtuse hooey.

[dogknob]

32. An addict will do/say anything to get his/her next fix... n/t

[geardaddy]

93. You win the thread.

:thumbsup:

[napoleon_in_rags]

33. Voluntary trade? Ha.

What the voluntary trade facade hides is a system of complete domination, executed by information control. Example of how it works: a person may want a cookie for a low price, but when it turns out that cookie contains an addictive mind controlling chemical like nicotine or the seeds of a disease, (which the cookie maker alone controls the treatment for) than that person is no longer free not to buy from that company, it is a matter of physical necessity that they do. Forced customers is the most lucrative business model of all, whether they come from no-bid government contracts in a time of war, or from lobbyists rigging the legislature, or from the fine print of a contract people signed binding them to a product that they would surely one day no longer want for its inferior qualities, yet were legally bound to keep purchasing. All the justifications for these are propped up by fallacies, usually centered on the idea that consumers have time to fully research every product before buying, or that there are products consumers don't HAVE to buy. Don't like your ER bill? Well you should have shopped around while you were having that heart attack!

The system is based on exploiting an information asymmetry, the fact that the true nature of the cookie is known only to the seller, not the buyer. Once the power of this asymmetry is understood, then the logical step becomes to control the information inputs of potential buyers, through ads, controlling media sources, and so on. This way unfavorable trade is essentially ensured, and the elites no longer have to produce quality for a free market, they now DEFINE quality for a slave market by telling them what to think.

Yet still, you basically have to spell out how dumb this kind of thing is: No, that little girl with the lemonade stand doesn't control lobbyists in DC. No, she doesn't control the messaging to millions of America through TV networks and radio. No, she doesn't get multi-million dollar bonuses, have the power to tap illegal surveillance networks to suppress free thought, hire mercenary armies or armies of PIs to harass targets or crush competition rising beyond the lemonade stand level. That little girl with the lemonade stand goes to work every day, but doesn't really make enough to live in from it. She is part of the 99%, not the elite.

[JDPriestly]

175. information asymmetry

That's what the subprime mortgages were about -- very good term for it.

The buyers had no idea as to what they were getting into or why they were being asked to have a friend co-sign their mortgage. And many were told when they signed the mortgage documents that they would be able to refinance if the rates went up.

The average person did not understand the first thing about economics back then. Many, many people have learned the hard way just how crooked many of the folks on Wall Street and in the lending business are.

And a few of those who have learned are occupying Wall Street. It really is about time that someone did something to put these arrogant fat cats in their places.

Information asymmetry. Is it capitalism when you take advantage of a huge disparity not only in income but in knowledge to oppress ordinary people for your own enrichment and aggrandizement? I don't think that is the idea at all. That sounds more like feudalism to me.

[Honeycombe8]

35. Trade for it? Society doesn't "trade" Wall Street for its basic rights, and

the freedom from being defrauded and ruining our economy.

What a bizarre way to view things. They are beyond hope.

[The Doctor.]

36. F'ing idiots. They think they can just keep squeezing productivity, health, life, and the future

of the middle class and not wind up paying for it somehow?

Only the very, very top of the mountain folks are going to remain unscathed as the curtain comes down. All you mere multi-millionaires are going straight under the fucking bus.

[highplainsdem]

37. Just what you'd expect from an Ayn Rand fan who wrote a book called "Greed Is Good." He used

the same "trade" argument to justify discrimination by employers:

http://crooksandliars.com/2008/02/18/jonathan-hoenig-i-think-the-employer-has-the-right-to-discriminate

[Aerows]

73. Here's some real gems from that article

"Hoenig: ...but Vikki I think the employer has the right to discriminate. They offer a trade, the employee can take it or leave it. Get in a discussion of rights, then absolutely the employer has the right to fire an employee for any reason.

The employer has the right to hire and fire whoever he wants, whether they are smoker, whether they are fat, whether they are Jewish or Black."

This guy thinks it's just fine to discriminate. In other words, he completely believes in stacking the deck against people, and will do anything to preserve an advantage for the elite. He comes right out and says it.

That's why people are protesting - they know the deck is stacked, and that's why this guy is so against the protesters. He's afraid that they might undo some of his efforts to keep the deck stacked for his own benefit.

Guys like this are sociopaths - they don't believe that we are all in this world together, and they care about no one but their own power and wealth.

[adigal]

81. I read a study of psychopaths, said Wall Street would have been second choice

to find psychopaths/sociopaths if he couldn't have studied prisoners. That always makes me chuckle!

[socialist_n_TN]

162. From my song "Reaganville" (c) 2010

MVM Publishing, ASCAP:

"In this corporacracy masquerading as democracy,
You can die on your feet or live on your knees.
Cause the rich don't care that the deck is stacked,
It's in their favor until they're under attack,
It's only class war when we fight back.
Communist, Marxist, socialist and more,
Call me anything, but a capitalist whore.
Cause I'm not for sale to a system that's corrupt,
That gives it all to a few and leaves the rest bankrupt.
No I'm not for sale for a dollar bill,
I'll stand with the people, here in Reaganville."

[unionworks]

228. love your song!

Great lyrics. Wish you would post it!

[socialist_n_TN]

257. Thanks. That's just the rap at the end

I'm not quite finished with it the project yet. I'm done tracking and I've even got it mixed, but I still need to master it.

Then I've got to figure out what the hell I'm going to do with it. :) I've actually got three songs on this particular project and they're ALL highly political. I guess I'll try to put together a web site and put them on there.

[RainDog]

38. the kids with the lemonade stand are organizing to kneecap the fat cats

who are so powerful they write laws to favor themselves.

which is why collective assembly/action for those without the money to buy the govt is a right. since "Goldman Sachs" runs the world - people are going to the seat of power and telling it to power share - because money is power in this nation.

capitalism isn't some magic genie in a bottle that fixes all ills. capitalism must be regulated for democracy to survive.

[Tabasco_Dave]

39. That champagne isn't tasting so good now is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PiXDTK_CBY :rofl:

[LatteLibertine]

40. We're no longer asking.

[Skidmore]

42. What a rosy romantic view of capitalism this guy has.

He truly believes that "independent individuals" are empowered by it. "..sacrificing for the public good...?" Who is doing the sacrificing? Not him or any other "independent individuals" like him. What they are trading is peoples' lives and livelihoods. They are trading life and death. They have been occupying the house that labor built for way too long.

[quaker bill]

43. The 40 hour work week

was not obtained by "independent individuals", "trading for it". Most modern labor rights were obtained by collective demand by a movement. OWS, so far, is only a vague foreshadowing of the movement that gained these rights and benefits. People literally died to get these rights and a fair shake from the system. This is our actual past, you can even see it in the movies.

[sofa king]

45. So when the twentysomethings have nothing, and nothing to trade....

...Then they should just check out and accept it. Because that's justice.

The protestors do not seem to agree, and people with nothing have nothing left to lose. So now what?

I don't know if anyone can stop what's coming next.

[malaise]

46. Fuck you Jonathan

Now go and pay your taxes

[deutsey]

47. Something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Hoenig? n/t

[reformist2]

48. The irony is that if they don't share the wealth, their wealth will evaporate.

If the rich continue to HOARD the wealth of this nation, prices will collapse, and along with it the value of their stocks and bonds and real estate.

[sarcasmo]

75. +1

[lunatica]

51. Awwww! Poor little victim

OccupyWallStreet won't let me trade! Whaaaa! How will I ever become a billionaire if I can't trade and speculate on the price of gas?!

[Quantess]

57. Getting more and more difficult to write off these "so called protests"

isn't it?

He should be thankful there is no more guillotine, no French peasants with pitchforks waiting for him.

[marmar]

59. "That's the justice protestors are seeking to destroy."

A veritable banquet of bullshit.


This dude needs to stop drinking

[HughBeaumont]

61. Capitalisn't operates on a Darwinist "Winner take everything" mantra.

People's lives are sacrificed daily for the greed of a few. It plays by one rule, dictated by one individual: "I want everything. You can try and get some of it, but at the same time, I will do my godDAMNEDest to make sure you don't get even a CRUMB."

Who is this piglet trying to bullshit?

[Blue_Tires]

70. Satire? Or is that real?

[Major Nikon]

78. Coulter was on Fox yesterday comparing the protesters to Hitler

The scary part is not in these shitbags thinking duplicitous rhetoric is a valid political tool. The really scary part is the unwillingness of the rest of the MSM to call bullshit on them.

[HughBeaumont]

128. Very much real. Hoenig ain't no Faux regular for nothin'.

[City of Mills]

71. Can you count, suckas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I9_pZ85zIQ

[JNelson6563]

72. Yeah, cause when I think "capitalism" I think "justice"

What a stinky pantload.

[sarcasmo]

74. I wonder when the suits will hire body guards to escort them to work?

[Name removed]

89. Deleted message

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[Viking12]

149. OWS: Job Creators!

[Greybnk48]

76. Hey Jonathan! Your trading game is rigged. So my advice

to you is, go fuck yourself!

[otohara]

79. Sad Is Losing Your 401K - Asshole

sad is losing your house, your job, your health insurance.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. GOOD... now DC needs to get nervous and act in a way

that helps the rest of us. Notice though they are trying to make this into a red conspiracy.

[bullwinkle428]

82. "Jobs are a necessary evil" - this is an exact quote spouted by one

of this guy's philosophical twins this morning on NPR. :mad:

I guess this clown fails to comprehend that if he reduces "head count" to some level that exists in his wet dreams, there won't be enough people out there with the money to actually purchase his product and sustain his business!

[bvar22]

83. Pig!

"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that nation states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."
----Bolivian Reform President Evo Morales

FDR said much the same thing in 1944 with his Economic Bill of Rights.
Unfortunately, FDR & THAT Democratic Party are long DEAD,
but the seeds are still with us.


We reformed Politics
the Old Fashioned Way.

We BOUGHT BOTH Parties!
Hahahahahahahahaha!
Cherish your memories, SUCKERS
because we're TAKING everything else!



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity with the 99!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Oilwellian]

84. Here's his mug

Jonathan Hoenig is the Managing Member of a private investment partnership. A former floor trader at the Chicago Board of Trade, Hoenig's first book, Greed is Good: The Capitalist Pig Guide to Investing was published by HarperCollins. He is a frequent commentator in the financial press, and has written for publications including The Wall Street Journal Europe, Wired, Maxim and Smartmoney.com. Hoenig has been featured in numerous publications including The Wall Street Journal, Institutional Investor and The Chronicle of Higher Education. Jonathan was named one of The Chicago Sun-Times "Thirty Under Thirty" and Crain's "Forty Under Forty." He is a member of the Economic Club of Chicago.

And Media Matters has been watching this douche bag for quite some time:

Jonathan Hoenig On Cashin' In: Kids "Are Not Learning In The Public Schools ... They'd Do Better On The Streets"
September 03, 2011 1:07 pm ET filed under MMtv
Fox Regular Hoenig: "Governor Romney Is Right," Corporations Are People
August 12, 2011 8:58 pm ET filed under MMtv
Hoenig On Reid's Call To Tax Rich: "Society Of Sacrifice Is... Built On Masters And Slaves" "Reid... Wants To Be That Master"
July 09, 2011 12:19 pm ET filed under MMtv
On Fox, Jonathan Hoenig Says Obama's ATM Comment Is A "Ted Kaczynski, Luddite Argument" About Technology
June 18, 2011 12:35 pm ET filed under MMtv
On Cashin' In, Hoenig Defends Oil Companies Against "Witch Hunt" By Democrats
May 21, 2011 12:31 pm ET filed under MMtv
Cashin' In Panelists Attack Federal Workers As Overpaid
May 07, 2011 1:38 pm ET filed under MMtv
Hoenig on Cashin' In: "Wealthy Earners Should Pay Even Less. The Poor Should Pay Much More" In Taxes
March 05, 2011 12:52 pm ET filed under MMtv
Fox panelist Byrnes calls for phasing out Social Security while Hoenig calls for "scrap" it altogether
November 13, 2010 5:01 pm ET filed under MMtv
Hoenig on Cashin' In: "The unions have ruined every industry in which they've dominated"
October 02, 2010 11:50 am ET filed under MMtv
Hoenig freaks out over $50 million clean burning stove program, calls for "disgusting" "horrid" UN to be shut down
September 25, 2010 12:26 pm ET filed under MMtv
Market bull: Right-wing media dress up political attacks as stock analysis
August 04, 2010 11:04 am ET filed under Research
Fox's Business crew launches a class war against the poor
June 26, 2010 5:06 pm ET filed under Blog
Jarrett, Hoenig repeat discredited attacks that Frank, Dodd, Fannie and Freddie responsible for economic crisis
June 26, 2010 2:37 pm ET filed under MMtv
EPI's Dorsey destroys notion that 40% of U.S. tax filers not paying their fair share of taxes
June 26, 2010 11:59 am ET filed under MMtv
Conservative media defend BP by claiming Obama is "demonizing" the company
June 16, 2010 11:16 pm ET filed under Research
About that “not a reflection of the opinions of Fox News” disclaimer
June 02, 2010 8:52 pm ET filed under Blog
Hoenig repeats discredited claim that "Social Security is, by definition, a Ponzi scheme"
May 29, 2010 3:38 pm ET filed under MMtv
Fox's "$165 billion" "union bailout" is neither
May 25, 2010 1:00 am ET filed under Research
Fox chyron asks if Obama is "Killing the American Dream?"
May 01, 2010 3:35 pm ET filed under MMtv
On Fox, Capitalistpig's Hoenig says Obama has "a hatred for capitalism"
January 09, 2010 1:38 pm ET filed under MMtv
Beck, Fox News lead conservative media in uniformly decrying "McCarthy"-like violation of Humana's "free speech" rights
September 23, 2009 4:06 pm ET filed under Research
On Fox, Capitalistpig's Hoenig calls proposed executive pay regulation "another step towards total fascist rule"
May 16, 2009 12:36 pm ET filed under MMtv
Capitalistpig's Hoenig berated AFL-CIO's Acuff for disputing Hoenig's suggestion that employers "have a right to fire" workers who unionize
March 13, 2009 9:15 am ET filed under MMtv
Cavuto guest Hoenig: "hy should I be responsible for paying for Joe Biden's brain aneurysms?"
August 23, 2008 5:04 pm ET filed under Research
O'Reilly's guest Hoenig again advocated military strikes on Iran while discussing economy
July 17, 2008 7:59 pm ET filed under Research
On Your World, for a third time, Hoenig advocates military attack to boost stock market
July 11, 2006 2:24 pm ET filed under MMtv
On Your World, Hoenig again advocated military action to help the stock market -- this time against North Korea
June 20, 2006 2:12 pm ET filed under Research
Cavuto guest Hoenig: "f you want to see the Dow go up," bomb Iran
June 06, 2006 5:40 pm ET filed under MMtv
Cavuto guest Hoenig: If Moussaoui is not executed, stock market will suffer
April 13, 2006 4:41 pm ET filed under MMtv

http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/jonathan_hoenig

[barbtries]

117. what a terrible person.

amazingly i can still be surprised.

[HughBeaumont]

126. Ugh. Thought he looked familiar. He's on Faux quite a bit and CNBC every so often.

[burnsei sensei]

132. This is a peculiarly manipulative individual.

Persuasiveness is a characteristic of good argument.
It is also the currency of democracy.
He is not persuasive, he is manipulative, and he's had his way
in a lot of things.
It seems to me that he has not heard the word "no"
enough.
No, we don't have the resources.
You will have to wait.
You must share this or that.
I'm sure these statements are not part of his world.

[The Wizard]

184. A face fit for

a sucker punch.

[Yon_Yonson]

185. A different shadow

[kestrel91316]

243. I think he should be first in line for the Express Head/neck Separation Device (TM).

[reACTIONary]

251. LOL!!! He's a professional talking head....

... his "job" is manufacturing feel-good bull shit for those who know, deep down inside, something with them is not right.

[reformist2]

252. You know what they say, everyone has the face they deserve at age 50...

He's just a little early!

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. Democracy sucks, doesn't it John?

You have no problem threatening and demanding the closing of my school, or my highways, or my library, but when someone interferes with your precious f'ing commute you squeal like the pig you are. "Gasp! Where's the justice???"

It shouldn't be "threat" it should be "in reality". We'll win when there aren't enough cops and jail cells to clear the brooklyn bridge for the morning commute.

[supernova]

86. +100

Wish I could rec this post.

[Doctor_J]

91. Hedge fund managers are the absolute dregs of humanity

they make nothing, trade nothing, take no risk, and yet get all of the benefits that the tax code proffers on actual entrepeneurs. They're filthy parasites whom no one would miss if they all became unemployed and indigent tomorrow.

[Critters2]

92. "Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good,..."

Since when?

[Doctor_J]

95. He's right. It treats men as sacrifices for the good of a few sociopaths

like the author

[Critters2]

97. Yep. I missed the nuance. Thanks! nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

96. It treats men as sacrifices for the PRIVATE good of the capitalist

:wow:

[Critters2]

98. When you're right, you're right. nt

[Maraya1969]

100. Look at what this ass is selling at capitalistpig.com

Nazzi currency

http://www.capitalistpig.com/merchandise.html

Collectivist Currency (2011)
In the 12 years between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis massacred over 20 million people. Fueling their murderous evil was the philosophy of collectivism, so integral to Nazi society that it was inscribed around the edge of every Nazi Reichsmark coin.

"Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual") concretizes the collectivist belief that individuals have no rights and that "the greater good" is the only standard of value. Under such a system, man is not an end to himself, only a tool to be sacrificed for the Führer, autocrat or ruling mob.

Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.

Shipped with excerpts from Leonard Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels, each authentic Reichsmark coin contains 5 grams of silver and serves as a foreboding reminder of the dangerous evil of sacrifice for "the public good."
$24.99

[geardaddy]

102. What a twunt.

[Name removed]

105. Deleted message

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[socialist_n_TN]

165. I think so. I've been calling it that for 40+ years

Welcome to DU. :)

[Doctor_J]

111. The Nazis killed the Bolsheviks, you lying piece of shit

Here's hoping when the guillotines get oiled up this steaming turd volunteers so he can be martyred and have his name be revered forever by the morons and sociopaths he hangs out with.

[SOS]

130. This imbecile thinks the Nazis were "collectivist" LOL

He's a sad Ayn Rand leftover who can't accept the fact that his beloved objectivism is dead.

[kenfrequed]

137. Uhm

When did people become so absolutely historically ignorant? There is almost nothing about Nazism that is collectivist. They actually tended to use private business, bust unions, screamed nationalist slogans, enriched I G Farber and IBM, were lauded on by the capitalist class in this country... etc etc. Oh wait. Never mind. The schmuck cannot hear and is more concerned with spin than knowledge.

[Blue Meany]

103. I don't think they want to bury free-market capitalism, they want to resurrect it

out of the ashes of the socialism for the rich system that we have right now.

Here's an example of the "voluntary" trade that is orchestrated by Wall Street: my retirement account has to, BY LAW be invested in mutual funds, bond funds, or money market funds--all products of Wall Street firms. If I want to invest in something else--and my choice would be invest in local enterprises that I know about and serve the community I live in--I'd have to pay a hefty penalty to take "my" money out to do this. This amounts to a subsidy for Wall Street. These are coerced trades not voluntary trades. Let's de-regulate our retirement funds and then say how well Wall Street does at "creating" wealth.

[a2liberal]

136. I don't mean to contradict the general spirit of your message

which I agree with, but there are ways to do more unique investments in an IRA. Look into self-directed IRAs as a starting point in your research if you're interested. Of course, the conscious that manage these generally charge hefty fees so in reality it usually becomes a way for wealthier (or upper middle class) folks to take better advantage of the tax advantages of retirement accounts. But I believe there are ways to do it cheaply if you look hard enough. Again, I don't mean to argue against the spirit of your message, just wanted to give you this info in case you find it useful.

[deaniac21]

104. Hoenig is from Glencoe, Illinois and attended New Trier High School

in Winnetka, Illinois. Hoenig is a former floor trader at the Chicago Board of Trade, whose first book was published when he was 22. He is a member of the Economic Club of Chicago and a vocal supporter of Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism.<1> His brother Stephen died at the age of 19.<2>

[Fantastic Anarchist]

106. That guy's a moron ...

Everyone knows that capitalists "occupy" (in his definition of the word) our surplus value. They also plunder and occupy the peoples' treasury. The occupy resources, means of production and everything else they can get their greedy hands on.

"Property is theft!"

[Cherchez la Femme]

107. Not Capitalism but Criminalism is the main focus.

:nopity: for the Hedge Fund manager and those of his ilk.

Speculators used to be hanged.

[robertpaulsen]

109. "Capitalism...operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat."

Really, Mr. Hoenig? Try asking this guy if it's voluntary and if he didn't face occupation and threat:



Or this guy :



Or this guy:





Shall I go on?

[barbtries]

113. this guy wrote a book.

the title is Greed is Good. i kid you not.

http://www.amazon.com/Greed-Good-Capitalist-Guide-Investing/dp/0887309844/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317747640&sr=8-1

[Myrina]

118. waaaaaaah poor wittle millionaire ...

Fuck him and everyone he works with.

[katty]

119. gee.."force and intimidation"?: can you say Goldman Sachs, et al

-like we have not had their 24/7 casino royale, spun confections they called: 'investments' shoved down our financial throats for decades-backed up by our corrupt body politic?!!

[kenfrequed]

120. Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good, but as independent individuals with the

Actually capitalism treats people as potential sacrifices for the private bottom line. Anything you can do to make money is fine and anyone you use, abuse, and discard is just fine. What a bunch of libertarian crapola. The barest scan indicates we are dealing with a friggin Randroid to me..

[Lifelong Protester]

256. Exactly what I thought

capitalists DO see people as sacrifices to corporate greed. Use, abuse, discard. Yep, that is unregulated capitalism.

I hope these guys have brown streaks in their undergarments (sorry, I know that is an inelegant image...)

[kenfrequed]

260. Meh

I'm thinking that the misdirected anger of the astroturf tea party is about to refocus on the real villains of the modern age. The wealthiest parasites and the banksters.

[tcaudilllg]

121. He's trying to keep us from laying hands on him...

but the hands are already there.

[Worship Money]

123. Capitalism operates

On the principle of the gun in your motherfucking face.

[chrisa]

124. This has to be satire

"Capitalistpig Hedge Fund LLC?" lol

Think about it - all of the author's complaints are actually what Wall Street businesses are hated for. Also, nobody ever wanted the bull removed. This has the type of irony that an Onion piece would have.

Sounds like satire or a bad troll.

[fascisthunter]

127. "A"Typical Sociopath... there ya go!

[DeSwiss]

131. K&R n/t

[KansDem]

133. This writer may not have realized it, but he provided the validation for unions!

Capitalism, the system "Occupy Wall Street" so feverishly wants to bury, operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat.

So, why can't a group of workers voluntarily trade their skills and labor?

In so-called "Right to work" states, the workers are "threatened" when they attempt to "voluntarily trade" their work for wages...

[Blue Owl]

134. Turn the fucking heat up

Another notch!

[Matariki]

135. Ha!

Must suck to be you Jonathan Hoenig.

[Kurovski]

139. K&R.

Oh my.

[ladywnch]

140. it's long past time for them to be afraid!

it is about time they realize, there ARE more of US than there are of THEM.

They terrorized us for years.......pay backs are a bitch ain't they?!

They can't arrest us all......who will do their labor for them...wipe their asses for them.......who will buy their deadly, poisonous products if we're all in the pokey? Capitalism depends on consumers.....if we're all in jail, we can't shop

These guys are still carrying on like they have all the balls in the world. While they're swinging them around they better come to the understanding that EVEN ELEPHANTS CAN BE CASTRATED.

[Kerrytravelers]

141. "Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices..."

Tell that to the people who have their health care taken away and then die. They weren't sacrificed in the name of the almighty dollar, were they?

[Matariki]

142. It's the American Equinox

and he should be nervous.

[abelenkpe]

143. yeah, right....

"Capitalism, the system "Occupy Wall Street" so feverishly wants to bury, operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat. Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good, but as independent individuals with their own lives. From the professional on the trading floor to the kid selling lemonade, investors know that if you want something from someone else, you can't simply demand it by occupation, you have to trade for it, just as others must trade with you."

Is it a fair trade when most salesmen are trained and encouraged to sell customers more than what they need or were looking for? Is it a fair trade when in order to retire, get needed health care and not starve one is forced to gamble with their savings because no one would ever be able to honestly save for their retirement with saving rates at .25%? and then to enter the gambling casino of wall street one needs a special education or insider knowledge to possibly have a chance at keeping up with a rigged game and HFT? Is it a fair trade when home buyers are told to "get in now or be priced out forever!" "Home prices only go up!" "I know you can afford a fixed rate mortgage but why do that when you can pay less and upgrade in a year or two?"

The financial industry has been preying on customers and continues to prey on customers, nickel and dime-ing struggling workers while lavishing their CEOs with bonuses and outrageous salaries. The financial industry has sacrificed nothing, while the rest have been struggling. They are in serious need of a comeuppance and the first political party to stand up to the FIRE industry will be seen as a hero. Stand by and continue to do nothing and risk losing. The elections are ours to lose. The republicans are crazy lunatics. They should be easy to beat. If democrats lose it will be because they didn't ever take a big stand for American workers against corporations and the financial industry.

[Yon_Yonson]

144. Your a greedy stingy one Mr. Hoenig! It's time for you to be really afraid

"There is no right to disrupt traffic or occupy other people's property, no matter if it's one lunatic individual or the 99% of the public protesters claim to represent. What's so lamentable about "Occupy Wall Street" isn't even their collectivist goals but the means by which they go about to achieve them: force and intimidation."



You say 'force and intimidation' and I say it's time you and your cohorts start paying your fair share! I am frankly done paying for you fuckups!

[pam4water]

147. Shad up hedge fund jerk!

[vssmith]

153. If this guy lived during the American Revolution he would be a Tory.

[hifiguy]

155. Maybe someday they will tear this asshole down

and put up a human being in his place.

What a colossal shithead.

[AllyCat]

156. Capitalism without regulation only protects "man" like him at the expense of the rest of us

As expected, he has no basis to understand why we are angry. They are STEALING our money and our livelihoods so they can have "justice" and "capitalism" and "live their own lives".

Cannot seem to get clearance to comment on this article though. Funny that...

[RedCloud]

158. They are hedging they can change your lifestyle of ease and fear.

[spin]

159. I'll bet a lot of rich Wall Street types are applying for concealed carry permits ...

in New York City.

Arming Goldman Sachs With Pistols: Alice Schroeder
By Alice Schroeder - Dec 3, 2009 1:57 PM ET

***snip***

“I just wrote my first reference for a gun permit,” said a friend, who told me of swearing to the good character of a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who applied to the local police for a permit to buy a pistol. The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank....emphasis added

I called Goldman Sachs spokesman Lucas van Praag to ask whether it’s true that Goldman partners feel they need handguns to protect themselves from the angry proletariat. He didn’t call me back. The New York Police Department has told me that “as a preliminary matter, it appears that some of the records you requested may be in the possession of this department” after I asked for information on approved handgun permits for bankers. The NYPD also said it will be a while before it can name names.

***snip***

Cool Hand Lloyd

No, talk of Goldman and guns plays right into the way Wall- Streeters like to think of themselves. Even those who were bailed out believe they are tough, macho Clint Eastwoods of the financial frontier, protecting the fistful of dollars in one hand with the Glock in the other. The last thing they want is to be so reasonably paid that the peasants have no interest in lynching them.

And if the proles really do appear brandishing pitchforks at the doors of Park Avenue and the gates of Round Hill Road, you can be sure that the Goldman guys and their families will be holed up in their safe rooms with their firearms. If nothing else, that pistol permit might go part way toward explaining why they won’t be standing outside with the rest of the crowd, broke and humiliated, saying, “Damn, I was on the wrong side of a trade with Goldman again.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2009-12-03/arming-goldman-sachs-with-pistols-alice-schroeder-correct-.html

Son of a Gun: More Celebrities Than Ever Are Carrying Firearms
Monday September 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT


From left: Marc Anthony, Robert De Niro and Donald Trump

They might not be dangerous, but they're armed.

Seeking an added layer of protection, more high-profile celebrities are seeking permits to carry guns in New York City, according to New York's Daily News.

Among the big names licensed to pack heat: Marc Anthony, Robert De Niro, Donald Trump, and his son, Donald Jr., Mets third baseman David Wright, and Martha Stewart's daughter, radio host Alexis Stewart.

***snip***

Gun permit aren't easy, or cheap, to get. Applicants must show that they often carry large amounts of cash or valuables, or that they are being threatened in some way. And the application alone costs a nonrefundable $340.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20429404,00.html

There are certain privileges which the rich, the famous and the well connected receive in the Big Apple.

[ut oh]

164. Oh the poooooor hedge fund manager... not...

"Capitalism, the system "Occupy Wall Street" so feverishly wants to bury, operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat. Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good, but as independent individuals with their own lives. From the professional on the trading floor to the kid selling lemonade, investors know that if you want something from someone else, you can't simply demand it by occupation, you have to trade for it, just as others must trade with you."


This may be what Capitalism was supposed to be, but with the current system, it is not even close. It is now a system that the power brokers/uber rich manipulate to enrich themselves further. People are not treated as "independent individuals", but as commodities or resources to be exploited for maximum profit. A hedge fund manager trying to claim otherwise is just more crocodile tears in my opinion. They just was OWS to go away to they can pretend they are kings of the world again and continue to manipulate our money for their profit...

[Blue_In_AK]

169. Waaaaahhhh....

I LOVE it.

[JDPriestly]

170. The report that the protestors "occupied" the street of the Brooklyn Bridge

is apparently quite false. This lie must be destroyed for what it is. Ava and other protestors describe how the police led them onto the street portion of the bridge. I have seen video of a white shirt leading the protestors on as if he were a drum major. At the time he did that, protestors were proceeding either down the pedestrian portion of the bridge or following directly behind the white shirt.

There is video of this. When the hearings come in November, this lie will be exposed for what it is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz172asCf2M

If the police officers had wanted to stop the protestors as they entered the neck where you see the officers leading the crowd, they could have done it. But instead, they ran ahead to set a trap further up the street so that they would be able to corral the protestors and arrest them.

The police could have dispersed the crowd before it entered the bridge. They chose not to do so. The protestors were headed down the pedestrian walkway and jumped down to the street because they interpreted the police officers' conduct as directing them into the street.

The police are either guilty of entrapping the protestors or, on second thought, possibly of simply not communicating to enough of the protestors. The police are supposed to be the responsible authorities. They are responsible when things like that go wrong.

The protestors are anything but anarchists.

Interestingly, what happened on the Brooklyn Bridge is a mirror of what happened in the housing crisis. The people who were supposed be policing the bankers, the people who were supposed to be directing traffic gave the wrong signals. When ordinary people responded in a logical manner, by getting into mortgages that everyone assumed they would pay in the "new economy," the whole fraud fell apart. But who got blamed? Not the authorities who were responsible for deciding and enforcing the rules. Not the bankers and mortgage salesmen who were profiting from the rule violations and carelessness -- but the ordinary people who were fooled into signing the mortgage documents and here, the protestors, who thought the police were directing them INTO THE STREET.

Now, when someone is in charge, they take responsibility. And when things go wrong, the responsible person is to blame.

May I add that if capitalism operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat, why are the banks foreclosing on houses based on failure to pay fees of which the homeowners were not warned when they bought their houses?

Seems to me there was no voluntary trade in a lot of the foreclosures because the mortgage terms were not clearly stated or presented.

[stockholmer]

176. the oligarchic form of crony-capitalism practised today treats people as disposable commodities

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

178. Someone call the WHHHHHAAMBULENCE

Fuck you, Jonathan Hoenig. I'm glad your days of raping this country are being disrupted.

[Bonhomme Richard]

179. This isn't fear. Just the opposite. It is arrogance.

We have a very long way to go. He, and they, are convinced this is a flash in the pan and that they are still in control. Equating what he does to a child with a lemonade stand is ludicrous and he knows it but he is playing to a base that is shrinking.
Things will change when he fears leaving his home.

[Bonhomme Richard]

180. These guys really do believe they are untouchable. n/t

[mother earth]

186. Wall Street has been seeking to bury Main St! No free pass on this!

[TomClash]

189. LOOK AT THIS SELF-DESCRIBED PIG

http://www.capitalistpig.com/

[Tom Ripley]

193. I would assume that he needs lots of money to buy a sex life

[TomClash]

197. Ewww!

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Tom Ripley]

200. Thanks!

[Pacifist Patriot]

195. That he wrote a book entitled "Greed is Good" says it all for me.

[chervilant]

244. hmm...

Someone should tell him that picture is NOT flattering...

[TomClash]

247. Precisely nt

[Rex]

191. All capitalist pigs need to die a beggars death.

Alone, cold and starving. Capitalism was GREAT when we had oversight and regulations in place. I refuse to believe the system is unfixable until we get rid of the CRIMINAL FUCKWADS that got us here!

[Tom Ripley]

192. That's one pig who is terrified by the knowledge that he bleeds red, not green or gold

[defendandprotect]

198. Right -- Hedge Funds represent "justice" of capitalism and Wall Street -- !! ROFL

Capitalism, the system "Occupy Wall Street" so feverishly wants to bury, operates on the principle of voluntary trade, not occupation and threat.

There would be no capitalism is not for the protection of the US government -- which protected

them as they destroyed other nations and their peoples, exploited their resources and did violence

to their people --

Capitalism treats men not as sacrifices for the public good, but as independent individuals with their own lives. From the professional on the trading floor to the kid selling lemonade, investors know that if you want something from someone else, you can't simply demand it by occupation, you have to trade for it, just as others must trade with you.

Rather capitalism exploits labor -- and finally, even all of humanity in its destruction of nature.

There's no longer any real "investment" on Wall Street -- only speculuation, a casino game --

we all know that a steady/even market makes no real profit -- it is fluctuating markets and the

opportunity to drop and fall other people's "stocks/investments" where real money can be siphoned

off!


That's the justice protestors are seeking to destroy.

There is no justice in capitalism -- it's an evil -- and it needs to be dismantled and ended.

If we truly want democracy, then we need economic democracy -- and capitalism ain't it!


Capitalism is a system invented to steal from the many --

In but a few hundred years, capitalism has given us Ozone Holes and Global Warming --

destruction of nature and the planet --

Who are the "lunatics" among us, really?


There is no right to disrupt traffic or occupy other people's property -- ?

But there is a right to destroy seeds and drinking water --

To engineer markets to create recession and depression --

To "harvest slave labor all over the globe" --


And all with no response from the public -- ?





:nuke:

[DaveJ]

232. Left out, "you have to trade for it, just as others must trade with you"

"Trade for it" after everything has been taken away and 99% are left with NOTHING. How does that trade thing work again?

I should not say we have nothing, though, because we have our intelligence, ingenuity, sole, spirit, and numbers, which all adds up to our strength. The rich are weak in all regards.

[defendandprotect]

255. Love the second paragraph -- !!!

People make the economy -- not private banks --

And, sadly, had we never engaged in "bus-i-ness" to provide profit for the few

we would probably still have our planet and a healthy environment/nature.


:hi:

[EdinGA]

202. oops! wrong button!

Willy, I hit the wrong button and unrecced this post. I've alerted the moderator and hopefully it will go away. I'm very sorry and meant no offense, honest.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

208. Oh cry me a river

And stop projecting, Hoenig. You don't 'trade' with criminals. When you try to "negotiate" or "trade" with criminals you get screwed - just like the 99% have been for the last 30 - 50 years.

Time for "trade" and "negotiation" are over, dimwit. NEVER, EVER has power - be it political or economic or both, been surrendered willingly. It is TAKEN BY FORCE and that, you snivelling little nimrod, is the only option the 99% have left.

And so we have arrived to take our power back.

[TxVietVet]

209. The asshat has a complaint? Off with his f*ckin' head.

:nuke:

:sarcasm:

[TxVietVet]

210. That bastard wouldn't know what justice was if it bit him in the ass.

:mad:

[Beartracks]

213. They want to "bury" capitalism?

I thought they wanted to make it fair and balanced like it used to be.

The feeling persists that "protesters" MUST be "socialists." :eyes:

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[nichomachus]

216. I'm guessing a lot of plutocrats are stocking up

on Kaopectate and Immodium AD

[louslobbs]

221. He sits there milking the system stealing from all of us, but gets upset when we take a stand for

ourselves to stop them from butchering the lot of us. They want to steal our earned benefits, but how dare we take to the streets and demand fairness to stop this pig and his like, from feeling so entitled to continue their theft from the rest of us with the system they have rigged so well. He and those of his ilk can go f*ck themselves in Macy's window.
Lou

[truth2power]

222. Poor, poor baby! Waaaa...

:nopity: :rofl:

[nxylas]

224. Yeah, capitalism doesn't work by occupation and threat

Not unless somebody has some oil that it wants, anyway. Or unless there's a dangerous outbreak of democracy that needs to be put down (eg. Allende's Chile).

[librechik]

225. We shpuld treat traders etc like anti-abortion protestors treat wwomen at the PP clinic

Up in their faces with the disgusting pics of hungry children and old folks in wheelchairs!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

229. Mr. Hoenig how dare you tell us that we are seeking to

destroy justice when it was Wall Street that screwed up.
What's so "lamentable" about achieving goals through "force and intimidation" when that's exactly what our founding fathers did in our first revolution.
Mr. Hoenig you have every right to be afraid of what might be coming.

[KoKo]

230. See the "Hedgies" run and squeall..SEE THEM RUN!!

:puke: on them

[JEB]

233. Jonathan Hoenig

Proud member of the parasite class...if he's so proud of his roads why doesn't he pay his fair share of the taxes?

[DinahMoeHum]

234. Psss psss psss psss psss! Psss psss psss psss psss!

Mrrrrrrrrrraow!

[gateley]

235. "That's the justice protestors are seeking to destroy."

Fuck you.

[markpkessinger]

238. Re: "There is no right to disrupt traffic . . . "

. . . to which I would add the rejoinder, "Neither is there any constitutional right to drive down a particular street on demand."

[kestrel91316]

241. Wake up and smell the coffee, America. WALL STREET IS RUN BY AND FOR THE

BENEFIT OF ORGANIZED CRIME.

[blackspade]

248. This guy is an idiot.

Who obviously knows nothing about capitalism or historical economics.

He is likely one of the reasons why the economy is a train wreck.
Thanks, asshole!

[w0nderer]

249. k&r for reading later n/t

[mckara]

250. Off with His Head!

[janet118]

253. Response to Mr. Hedge Fund Mgr. courtesy of Malvina Reynolds

It isn't nice to block the doorway,
It isn't nice to go to jail,
There are nicer ways to do it,
But the nice ways always fail.

chorus:
It isn't nice, it isn't nice,
You told us once, you told us twice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.

It isn't nice to carry banners
Or to sit in on the floor,
Or to shout our cry of Freedom
At the hotel and the store.
chorus

We have tried negotiations
And the three-man picket line,1
Mr. Charlie2 didn't see us
And he might as well be blind.

Now our new ways aren't nice
When we deal with men of ice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.

[caseymoz]

254. I don't read nervousness there.

But at least they're noticing. Their response is, "how dare they?"

I'd tell him, if you abuse the social contract, and commit crimes like stealing to provide for an ever more lavish lifestyle, if you guarantee that wealth has to flow to you from other people, you begin to get warnings from people that your abuse depends on their keeping their side of the social contracts. Little warnings at first like, blocking traffic.

I'd try to say to him, "You idiot, you're seeing the warnings of REAL class warfare to come, not the bullshit propaganda you've said is class warfare, either." And it's not the fault of "those people" because crowd in their situation would statistically be doing exactly what they are doing. Guaranteed. Dig in your heels and push back too much, and no law will stop it.

[Kievan Rus]

263. "Capitalistpig Hedge Fund"...well, at least this dude is honest about himself

[Zorra]

264. "Capitalism, the system "Occupy Wall Street" so feverishly wants to bury"

Most of us just want to bury Wall St. and establish a democracy free from the control of wealthy private interests.