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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 04:56 AM
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First Livestream was blacked out, second cops all around the country seize belongings
This is an all out WAR on the protesters. Disable communications and then hit the supplies. Military tactics.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:00 AM
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1. These posts are the first thing I'm seeing this morning...
That it happened in multiple cities; someone mentioned it sounds like a coordinated military-style tactic.

Shit.

:(

I have a hard time following events on livestream, so I appreciate what you all pick up and post.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:28 AM
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4. it does indeed appear coordinated.
but this is to be expected. The Powers the Be aren't simply going to roll over. It's going to take time, and it's not going to be easy. We need to keep clear, calm minds, pure hearts, and stick to our stated goal: The end of corruption and collusion at both the corporate and governmental levels, and we will win.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:32 AM
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6. Very well said. May I quote you? :)
:hi:

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:38 AM
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7. Thanks very much. Please feel free!
:hi:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:24 AM
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2. I'm in the UK
and can get into Livestream without any difficulty.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:25 AM
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3. Police protect and serve the 1%.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:29 AM
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5. exactly. Spot on.
And they're making that very clear.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:47 AM
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8. Is the blocked livestream the kind of thing that Anonymous can help with?

There was a link yesterday to the page where they ... solicit volunteers, so to speak.

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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 05:51 AM
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9. Precisely the reaction we should expect from the Guardians of the Hierarchy.
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 05:55 AM by GliderGuider
The piece below is from a couple of years ago, and describes the power elite's defense systems in more detail. We now have the dubious pleasure of seeing the defense mechanisms of the power-consolidating hierarchy that is at the core of our global industrialized civilization at work in all their naked majesty.

The Guardian Institutions of Hierarchy

The Guardians are the corporate, economic, financial, political, legal, religious, educational and communications institutions that form the structural skeleton of our civilization.

Corporations and businesses cooperate with economic and financial institutions to set the value of work and control the money supply. In this role it doesn't make any difference whether an economy is capitalist, socialist or communist. The core beliefs it guards are always the same: ownership and growth. In our Western civilization these institutions are the pumps that move power (transfigured into wealth) away from the powerless and to the powerful.

Political institutions encode, enshrine and manage the application of social power. Politics is the institution that legitimizes all the others. Because of its unique ability to make laws and its access to legalized violence to defend them, politics is the primary self-defense mechanism of the power hierarchy of civilization. In this view it doesn't matter if the political system is democratic or authoritarian, capitalist or socialist, liberal or fascist, feudal, monarchic or dictatorial. As long as the political system can make laws and use institutionalized violence (i.e. police) to enforce them, any political system will fulfill this core function. From this point of view the differences between them are largely cosmetic. Even the differences between parties in a democratic system are a useful irrelevancy – useful to those in power by giving the powerless a calming illusion of control. Politics as a social system invariably works to the benefit of those at the tip of the power pyramid.

Legal institutions enforce the norms of the hierarchy in ways too numerous to count. These range from the protection of privilege (one law for the rich, one for the poor) to the preferential defense of property rights over human rights. Along with the police force it empowers, the legal system is the tip of the spear that keeps the power-holders safe from the powerless. In the terms of our metaphor, legal institutions maintain the integrity of the semi-permeable membrane of social class.

Religious institutions (as distinct from the religions they purport to enshrine) are primarily normative social structures. Many incorporate an overt message that we should be content with things as they are. There are often injunctions against questioning authority, as all authority is seen to devolve from the supernatural – as it has ever since the shamans of the early agricultural era. Like legal institutions, they guard the integrity of social classes, though in our civilization the role of religion has been handed over largely to the legal sphere with its more overt control mechanisms.

Educational institutions teach successive generations how the system works. It gives those at the tip of the pyramid the tools to integrate into it and manipulate it. At the same time it trains everyone involved to see the pyramid of hierarchy as the only possible way the world can work. Those who do not accede to the top of the system learn to be content that the perceived order is natural, inevitable, beneficial, and unquestionable. An interesting twist in modern education is that we are now taught that the rights of the powerful are acquired through merit rather than birth (though many PhDs have learned otherwise).

Communications media reinforce the message of the inevitability and beneficence of our social hierarchy by enlisting people in the power/growth/ownership paradigm. They do this through overt messages like advertising, covert messages embedded in the story lines of entertainment and of course the selective editing and presentation style of news programs. People who are programmed by this constant messaging come to regard any values that challenge the existing structure as incomprehensible, self-evidently absurd, dangerous or even insane.

Edited to add: I may catch flak for this, but I think it needs saying. Ted Kaczynski, whatever else may be said about his actions, had the great misfortune of being right.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:09 AM
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11. Hey Glider...
I'd would love to see you post this in its own OP. It is really good stuff.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:19 AM
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10. Who is coordinating this? DHS? DOJ? Blackwater/Xe? Hard to believe nobody's in charge.
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 06:20 AM by leveymg
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:16 AM
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12. Fallout from the 'Patriot Act.'
Who are the Patriots now?


They want the protesters to react with violence. Someone on High has decided OWS has to be shut down before it gains more momentum.


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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 07:48 AM
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13. This is my gut feeling also. nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 08:40 AM
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14. DHS
would be my bet.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 09:11 AM
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15. More specifically, has Operation GARDENPLOT been activated?
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 09:17 AM by leveymg
Or, whatever the follow-on civil disorder suppression program might today be called. From the following, DHS has overall federal civilian control while NorthCom has command at least of the military response component.

If so, the spooks and the feds think this is a real threat. That would indicate the Occupy Movement is working. Taher Square, anyone? From the Wiki:

Operation Garden Plot is a general U.S. Army and National Guard plan to respond to major domestic civil disturbances within the United States. The plan was developed in response to the civil disorders of the 1960s and is now under the control of the U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM). It provides Federal military and law enforcement assistance to local governments during times of major civil disturbances.

Garden Plot was last activated (as Noble Eagle) to provide military assistance to civil authorities following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. The Pentagon also activated it to restore order during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.

Under Homeland Security restructuring, it has been suggested that similar models be followed.

"Oversight of these homeland security missions should be provided by the National Guard Bureau based on the long-standing Garden Plot model in which National Guard units are trained and equipped to support civil authorities in crowd control and civil disturbance missions." Testimony of Major General Richard C. Alexander, ANGUS (Ret.), Executive Director, National Guard Association of the United States, Senate Appropriations Committee Hearing on Homeland Defense, April 11, 2002<1>


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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 09:14 AM
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16. What?
Cops are seizing belongings around the country? What's going on?
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