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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:22 PM
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Panetta : the need for increases in NATO military spending is one of the “lessons of Libya”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/world/panetta-exhorts-european-nato-members-to-share-defense-spending.html?_r=1


BRUSSELS — With the Pentagon facing severe budget cuts, Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta asked NATO’s European members on Wednesday to heed the lessons of the Libya war and cooperate on much-needed defense spending in order “not to hollow out this alliance.”

Mr. Panetta, in his first European speech as defense secretary, http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4895 handed out praise as well as criticism, speaking with care in the aftermath of a fiercely phrased warning in June http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/world/europe/11nato.html by his predecessor, Robert M. Gates, that NATO risked irrelevance because of its failures to invest in defense.

Mr. Gates said that NATO had become a two-tiered alliance divided between those who bore the burden of defense spending and those along for a free ride.

He warned of “a dim if not dismal future” for the alliance unless its European members increased their participation, and he said that Washington would not forever pay for European security when the Europeans could do that for themselves.


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As a European (and luckily Sweden is not in NATO), I say they can stick their war machine up their arse.

:thumbsdown:

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A superb NATO-related article:

Lies, War, and Empire: NATO’s “Humanitarian Imperialism” in Libya (Video + Article)


http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/08/26/lies-war-and-empire-nato%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Chumanitarian-imperialism%E2%80%9D-in-libya/

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It has been said, “In war, truth is the first casualty.” Libya is no exception. From the lies that started the war, to the rebels linked to al-Qaeda, ethnically cleansing black Libyans, killing civilians, propaganda, PR firms, intelligence agents, and possible occupation; Libya is a more complex story than the fairy tale we have been sold. Reality always is.

What Were the ‘Reasons’ for ‘Intervention’?

We were sold the case for war in Libya as a “humanitarian intervention.” We were told, of course, that we “needed” to intervene in Libya because Muammar Gaddafi was killing his own people in large numbers; those people, on the same token, were presented as peaceful protesters resisting the 40-plus year reign of a brutal dictator.

In early March of 2011, news headlines in Western nations reported that Gaddafi would kill half a million people.<1> On March 18, as the UN agreed to launch air strikes on Libya, it was reported that Gaddafi had begun an assault against the rebel-held town of Benghazi. The Daily Mail reported that Gaddafi had threatened to send in his African mercenaries to crush the rebellion.<2> Reports of Libyan government tanks sitting outside Benghazi poised for an invasion were propagated in the Western media.<3> In the lead-up to the United Nations imposing a no-fly zone, reports spread rapidly through the media of Libyan government jets bombing the rebels.<4> Even in February, the New York Times – the sacred temple for the ‘stenographers of power’ we call “journalists” – reported that Gaddafi was amassing “thousands of mercenaries” to defend Tripoli and crush the rebels.<5> Italy’s Foreign Minister declared that over 1,000 people were killed in the fighting in February, citing the number as “credible.”<6> Even a top official with Human Rights Watch declared the rebels to be “peaceful protesters” who “are nice, sincere people who want a better future for Libya.”<7> The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights declared that “thousands” of people were likely killed by Gaddafi, “and called for international intervention to protect civilians.”<8> In April, reports spread near and far at lightning speed of Gaddafi’s forces using rape as a weapon of war, with the first sentence in a Daily Mail article declaring, “Children as young as eight are being raped in front of their families by Gaddafi’s forces in Libya,” with Gaddafi handing out Viagra to his troops in a planned and organized effort to promote rape.<9>

As it turned out, these claims – as posterity notes – turned out to be largely false and contrived. Doctors Without Borders and Amnesty International both investigated the claims of rape, and “have found no first-hand evidence in Libya that rapes are systematic and being used as part of war strategy,” and their investigations in Eastern Libya “have not turned up significant hard evidence supporting allegations of rapes by Qaddafi’s forces.” Yet, just as these reports came out, Hillary Clinton declared that the U.S. is “deeply concerned by reports of wide-scale rape” in Libya.<10> Even U.S. military and intelligence officials had to admit that, “there is no evidence that Libyan military forces are being given Viagra and engaging in systematic rape against women in rebel areas”; at the same time Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, “told a closed-door meeting of officials at the UN that the Libyan military is using rape as a weapon in the war with the rebels and some had been issued the anti-impotency drug. She reportedly offered no evidence to backup the claim.”<11>


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article is heavily footnoted and sourced (127 total footnotes) with hyperlinks as well
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:23 PM
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1. No, the lesson should be to stop installing and supporting dictator
regimes and let people in every country enjoy a people's democracy. More guns to shoot at "bad guys" has little to do with security and much to do with wasting more money on death.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:32 PM
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8. Who installed Quaddafi? eom
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:25 PM
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2. Erect bogeyman. Wave flag. Send in the bombers...and give the MIC more money.
Works every time.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:27 PM
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5. Ain't THAT the truth and nothing but.
The last bogeyman that was real was the Austrian Corporal with the Chaplin moustache. And that was a looooooong time ago.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:26 PM
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3. Empire building for his department
:thumbsdown: indeed.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:27 PM
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4. go away panetta
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:27 PM
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6. Four of the five PIIGS countries are NATO members
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 01:28 PM by KamaAina
only Ireland is not.

So of course Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain will take a break from going broke in order to binge on military spending. :sarcasm:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 01:31 PM
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7. Panetta, the military's stooge, should let the EU pay for its own defense now. nt
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