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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:19 PM Original message |
Naomi Klein: Protesters Are Seeking Change in the Streets Because It Won’t Come From the Ballot Box |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. Four boxes of liberty |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
83. Use in that order. n/t |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. She's absolutely right. n/t |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. That kinda sounds like they don't support Democracy ..... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Democracy goes way beyond the right to elect a Republican or Democrat to high office. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. I don't see this as anarchy. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
58. shouldn't be tagged as "radical", imo, either |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. "we" |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You are far too smart and too handsome. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. "we" agree. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. "We" are delighted to see you. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I'm experiencing |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. No, this is TRUE demoncracy, as opposed to voting for one of 2 corporate candidates. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. hmm... |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. No, sounds like you are not the name you chose |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
53. No doubt.... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
97. I have seen a lot of that |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. The real story is not being told by the M$M. When that happens we the people need to excercise our |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
40. There is no democracy involved in the politics of today |
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ScottLand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
48. Too many people think you can just vote yourself a better future. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
52. You actually think we have a democracy? |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
79. bingo!!! |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
55. Well put |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
77. Damn Straight!!! |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
105. And what did the 'hippies' (your word, not mine) accomplish? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. We changed the World. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #106 |
115. I don't know if that's a serious attempt at an answer |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
107. New Flash! The U.S. had to withdraw ALL of the GI's from Vietnam. |
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UnrepentantLiberal (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 07:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
57. This isn't a democracy, it's a republic, and this republic is now run by |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Please don't engage in meme propogation. |
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UnrepentantLiberal (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
78. I'm aware that is a republican talking point but it happens to be true. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #78 |
90. tossing the baby out with the bathwater? And no, it isn't true. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Deja Vu. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
59. Boy are you out of the loop. nm |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
65. You don't live in a Democracy, you live in a Corporate Representative Republic. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
70. it's hard to describe the system we have as "democracy" |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
73. I think it shows they want REAL democracy not the kind that goes to the highest donor. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
75. She was asked about not voting - that is not what she meant. She is |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
89. Just curious, oldhippie, didn't you use "Civil Disobedience" when LBJ ruled the roost? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
93. Natural/ordained right of the people to change conditions when government is deemed corrupted --- |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
99. +1000000 |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. Naomi Klein rocks! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. But - But -But - |
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dogknob (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Thank you for clarifying that for those with the handicap of a literal mind... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. No problem - |
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dogknob (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. EXACTLY WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?!?!?!?!??! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Specifically, back in the day, we were all united in our visceral hatred of all |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. I feel sold out. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
62. I was hoping for more of a Nelson Mandela but I get your point. n/t |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
100. Hmm |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. And, |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
84. yeah, I love the re-training meme |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
94. Or -- they could simply start their own business --- !!! ROFL |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. In taking your notion of reverting to the |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R! |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. No danger that the Obama corporate centrist approach is going to save the American middle-class. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
61. Centrists are the old conservatives abandoned by the wacko right. nm |
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Brigid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. Many of the young are not fooled. |
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bengalherder (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. The sixties were exhausting and I cannot blame |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:17 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. You weren't alone. Just invisible. Like many of us. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
85. yeah, well sometimes it's like being Cassandra |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. "Protesters Are Seeking Change in the Streets Because It Won?t Come From the Ballot Box" |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. "What is the definition of insanity...?"— Whatever the people publishing the definition say it is. |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Actually, I was referring to Einstein's definition... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Incumbents are re-elected because a better challenger does not rise to the surface. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #51 |
80. The "system" doesnt let them rise to the surface. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
102. What a tangled web we weave. |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
104. Even so, it is ultimately the responsibility of you, me and anyone else... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 02:45 AM Response to Reply #104 |
113. But the point is, we cannot effect the change we want by simply casting votes. |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. "...we cannot effect the change we want by simply casting votes." |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. OK, let's say there were only one presidential candidate on the ballot. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
64. I guess you still fall for the "free and honest" election meme. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Or "accidents". Particularly in small airplanes. n/t |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. I hope Elizabeth Warren is very careful. nm |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
87. again, you have a collusive media |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
91. There is no doubt that incumbents have "one-up" on their challengers; however,... |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
15. Up, up for more eyeballs. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Thank you. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
18. I've reached that conclusion myself since the '08 election. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
20. "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal." Emma Goldman |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
68. There it is.... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
109. Yes, truly. I can only hope that as time goes on, more & more people will see the truth of it. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
76. Great Douglass quote!!! n/t |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
110. I'm very glad you appreciated it. (nt) |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
22. kick... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
30. Deleted message |
davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
34. True this. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
35. Still.....waiting .............on ...............the ..........new .............record.. |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
36. Grave times for Americans |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
37. It may start coming from the ballet box when we deal with election fraud... |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
39. Thank you, OWS, for restoring our hope! |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
42. Change isn't coming from the top down |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
43. True dat. However, it still matters who holds office |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. A movement you WILL NOT get with a Republican president. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. Is death by a 1000 cuts a "small victory" over decapitation? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
111. You have a chance to escape after the first few cuts. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. What country? You mean the one where |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
44. You say you want a revolution?(apologies to The Beatles) |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:00 AM Response to Original message |
49. We want & need change, & we weren't getting it. It's time |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 05:05 AM Response to Original message |
50. Bingo. Thanks for posting. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
54. Kicked and recommended! |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
56. K & R (n/t) |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
63. It won't come from the ballot box because the elections are RIGGED!! |
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PotatoChip (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
66. Thank you for the link(s) |
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FlyByNight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
69. K & R |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
71. The ballot box is RIGGED. nt |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
72. recommend |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
86. Ballot "Box".. How Quaint! |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
88. I am encouraged.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
92. K/R -- Government is ignoring the will of the people -- !! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
95. Kicked and recommended. |
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Anatos (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
96. So close!... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
98. Aww, too bad for them that they have to live with the other voters! |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
103. K&R. 2008 was a great opportunity for Hope and Change. |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
108. kickety |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
112. k&r n/t |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-11 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
114. Kick thx BBI nt |
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