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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:19 AM
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OWS + Tea Party = somethings happenin here
How can the two sides come together?
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:23 AM
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1. I think I'll pass on coming together with batshit crazy people - nt
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LeftofObama Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:29 AM
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4. I agree.
Maybe when they educate themselves and act like normal human beings I will acknowledge their existance. Until then they are dilusional fools that need to be ignored.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:32 AM
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5. Divide and conquer
Personally, I think we should find some common ground and come together and after winning the battale against the banks and the MIC/wars, then we can fight over taxes and healthcare. If christians, sunnis, shiites were able to come together in Egypt, we should be able to do the same in the US of A
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:39 AM
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8. You do not seem to understand who the teabaggers are
There is no common ground, they are for or against what they are told, when they are told. Good luck with the crazy people though, let me know how it works out for you.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:06 AM
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38. I get it
I was reading up on their activities at the height of the healthcare debate. The problem is that they are also part of th 99ers and without them this movement goes no where. The american people better unite or start talking about splitting up cos if we cant find a common enemy in the big banks and the war machines, then we better split up now
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:41 AM
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49. You do not appear to know anything about the teabaggers
They have NOTHING in common with OWS, they support the banks. The only way they will join in is when they realize they were used as tools and are no longer a teabagger.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:31 AM
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57. I am no expert on the tea baggers
but I know they hate corporate welfare ala TARP. You know, I used to joke that if there were ever to be a revolution in this country, it will be liberals fighting republicans ins`tead of the bankers and war profiteers that are fing us over. Obama needs a right cover to end the wars and undo a lot of the anti civil liberty policies and that is what the sensible segment of the tea party can provide.

Good luck trying to win a revolution with one hand tied behind your back. Just tell me how it goes when this movement fizzles out.
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:17 AM
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78. The teabaggers are corporate pawns
Their opposition to the TARP program was cover to attack President Obama from day one. They are a small minority who have nothing in common with the Occupy Wall Street movement that is protesting the corrupt practices of Wall Street and the banking industry.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:52 AM
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65. The baggers don't have a coherent agenda about the banks/wall st. at all...
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 09:53 AM by Erose999
They oppose the bailouts (which is pretty much their only common ground with OWS).

They are all for "golden parachute" exec compensation.

They are all for the banks screwing people with bad practices (forclosures, fees, derivatives trading, etc).

They oppose Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.

They say they support "free trade" yet they claim to oppose NAFTA.

They oppose regulations on anything, even safety regulations on oil drilling.

They have a dangerous Fundie X-ian agenda on social issues.

They are idiots and their agenda is contradictory and created by their corporate leaders for the purpose of expanding corporate influence and power.

Fuck teabaggers. Every last one of them.

If the occupy allies itself with the 'bagger movement then I'm OUT.





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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #38
56. With them, OWS becomes part of the tea party movement, not the
other way around.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:59 AM
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68. not true
Remember the tea party is just as disgusted with progressives as we are disgusted with them so only a segment open minded enough to work with us will show up. The vast majority will still be liberals/progressives and the demands will reflect progressive ideals with 1 or 2 issues both sides agree with.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:09 AM
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72. When their puppeteers get through manipulating them (freedom works, et al)..
they will do as they are told like they always do. Healthcare townhalls 2009... HELLOOOOO! :eyes:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:48 PM
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114. Bullshit!
Who are you one of these media talking heads? We know who in the hell they are and what they are about you aren't convincing us of a damn thing! Do you really think we haven't been watching these ignorant mfkers since Obama took office.Your trying too damn hard.

If this movement does what you say it will be all about those teabaggers again and their agenda, same thing with this "NO LABELS" bullshit it is all about getting rid of some of the Democratic voters so that the republiCONS can win.

If their were to be a third party whoever the candidate is would in reality be a Republicon just like some of these lying ass so called Democrats who are on the Koch brothers and no telling who elses'payroll.

I tell you what the republicons need to win so that they can get what they have been itching for,a good ASS KICKIN! The people are not going to keep taking too much more of their shit!GOT THAT REPUBLICON!

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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:53 AM
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104. The party is few in numbers -- they are just louder.
So I wouldn't say without them this movement goes nowhere.

There own movement is fast falling apart.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:36 PM
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113. Fuck em!
Why is it that now we all need to come together,those mfkers call the rest of us trsders,non american and who knows what else. Didn't you hear Hank williams.

How can we come together with ignorant crazy people who hate the majority of America? These people claim to love America but they will destroy everything good about it because of someone's skin color or race. This shit with Cain is phoney in case you can't see it.

His skin color doesn't matter unless he dances to their tune. They sent him on Hannity and he led him on what his answers better be and Cain followed his every word and then went on every tv show and radio show the next day and repeated what Hannity told him to say word for word as all of the republiCon candidates do and blue dog Dems do soon after they take office Manchin of W Virginia is a perfect example...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:25 AM
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54. You wanna know who the tea partiers are? Look at the current congressional
republicans? They ARE the tea party. You want to align with THEM? Really? What are you doing here then?
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:55 AM
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67. ofc that was bound to happen after the
republican establishment took it over. This is the problem with movements without a leader, the original tea party started due to the Bush sponsored bailout but after DICK Armey took over, it became an anti Obama, Obama is a muslim and all around racist movement. I am afraid the same would happen to OWS, some neo liberal will show up spouting some progressive ideas with the intention or redirecting the focus off the banks.

This movement needs a credible leader fast and avoid making it another tea party like movement.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:54 AM
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90. Yep! I'm already hearing in the media that the "anarchists" are showing up
ala the 1960s, and how that soured the Democratic party for 40 years.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:03 AM
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70. Lest we forget, this is who the "tea partiers" are:










http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c046f53ef01156f2e40bd970c-800wi

They are racists, homophobes, fundamentalist zealots, bigots, gun nuts, conspiracy theorists, climate change deniers, birthers, and the otherwise willfully ignorant.


I want absolutely nothing to do with the Tea Baggers other than watching their movement disappear from America's political discourse as quickly and non-violently as possible.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:58 AM
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91. And l'est we forget how quickly the TP was co-opted by fox news..
I understand that there is a lot of Obama hatred on DU and nothing would make them happier than to join with the tea party and turn OWS into an anti-Obama movement, but I just don't want those who are not looking for that to be confused by all the pie-in-the-sky rhetoric about joing up with them. Do that and you will enable the gop.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:38 AM
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7. I have a couple of tea party friends
one of them is gay, works for planned parenthood, and likes Ron Paul.

His heart is in the right place. Not a lost cause..
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:42 AM
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11. Sorry, I hate to be blunt but... Your friend is dumb as a rock
Teabaggers would prefer being gay was a crime. They are working their asses off to kill Planned Parenthood. And Ron Paul... Fuck that racist douchebag.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:44 AM
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13. yeah, but..
well hells bells..
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:34 AM
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32. lol. i get you...
my tp neighbors are misinformed. Sorta like "forgive them for they know not what they do", yanno?

Hearts and minds? My approach is Hearts, THEN minds. Slow but steady, it's working...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:11 PM
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110. slow slow work
peace my friend..
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:10 AM
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40. from your tone, it seems like
you have just as much hatred for the tea baggers as you hjave for the banks and wall street criminals. There is a segment of the tea baggers that can be convinced to join us for this battle, dismiss it all you want but I will make you one promise and that is we will never get anywhere divided.

WAR and WALL STREET will unite us
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 12:50 PM
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106. FWIW, I agree with you
I think most of them are misguided and possibly that is something that could change. Their frustrations are coming from the same place, even when the target of those frustrations are misdirected.

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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:04 AM
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20. His heart may be in the right place, but his head's up his butt.
Have you helped him try to pull it out?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:21 PM
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111. I find common ground
we both support reproductive choice and ending the drug war..

he is against gay marriage, and he is gay.

so we agree and agree to disagree.

we are both 99%'ers.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:13 AM
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24. I also have (or had) a friend who
is a gay Republican. I could put up with his fiscal conservatism, but fairly recently he started hanging around at teabagger meetings. It's gotten to where talking to him is like turning on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh. I've come to the conclusion that he is either demented or is just simply a fool. If he won't seek help for his dementia or try to educate himself, I think it's best if we part ways. Being around someone like that just isn't healthy for me.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:25 AM
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30. A tea partier works for Planned Parenthood???...Whew boy!
:crazy:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:41 AM
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34. Ron Paul is a lost cause.
Your friend is a rare exception. Very rare.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:41 AM
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10. Me too.
LOL
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:36 AM
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59. It ain't that simple.
Early on, it wasn't all that obvious that the teaparty was being bankrolled and manipulated by the Koch brothers and Fox News.

They started out as a frustrated lot, not all having the same frustration, just like the OWS people.

If OWS and the Tea Party were a venn diagram, most of the people would occupy the overlap.
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Rectangle Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:29 AM
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2. Um... The Tea Party is (largely) lobbying FOR the top 1% and the Wall Street crooks.
Please don't give the the Tea Party any props, even though
there are some elements that are skeptical of Wall Street.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:40 AM
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9. I see two tea parties
one = the tea party express = republicans trying to avoid being linked to republicans
two = under employer folk that are sick of corruption, greed, and getting kicked.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:15 AM
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26. One of the issues I mentioned back in '09
was the shape-shifting emptiness of the tea party and how it would come back to haunt them...Since there was never any unifying vision or platform other than "we're ANGRY and HATE the commie/muslim/foreign/colored president!!!" People seemed to make the TP into whatever they wanted it to be (and you can see whenever you ask some teabagger what they are really about, they end up contradicting themselves in 30 seconds)
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:49 AM
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35. PLUS ONE! "shape-shifting emptiness"
Damn, that's beautiful! Great post!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:49 PM
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115. yupyup
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:39 AM
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62. The Tea Party Express = Move America Forward = Recall Gray Davis Committee
All 100 percent Astroturf conjured up from Sal Russo's double super secret background mailing list.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:29 AM
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3. One day, they "might" see they have similar issues, if one looks at the
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 06:30 AM by RKP5637
big picture, there is a lot in common in some areas, once one gets past the TBer rhetoric. I can't believe a poor/unemployed republican TBer does not have a lot in common with a poor/unemployed Dem with respect to finances. Maybe the TBer is figuring out the Koch brothers are not coming with wheelbarrows of money or jobs for poor/unemployed TBer's, that they've been used by the 1%'ers too.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:33 AM
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6. Teabaggers would destroy the whole movement and
besides, they are a big part of the problem. I don't trust them and never will.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:43 AM
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12. Have the Tea Baggers ring up Koch and Dick Armey
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 06:43 AM by trumad
to see if it can happen?

don't think so.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:44 AM
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14. The TP'ers can become sane?
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:44 AM
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15. Maybe they can ally with the Klan and the Albanian Mafia as well.
The teabaggers are nothing but the ultra-far-right wearing appliqued sweatshirts and trucker hats.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:16 AM
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27. Don't forget flags, flags, FLAGS!!
The TeaHad loves them some FLAGS!!!

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:48 AM
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16. initially, the very beginning, this is what teabaggers where talking about and shifted
to rw spew.

i think many of the nonreligious, nonsocial issue teabaggers could sit in occupy, if they let go of the social issues. i think the teabaggers i know, thought this is what it ws about.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:29 AM
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31. Yeah,. They talked about it and then the genuises aligned themselves
with the very people who brought it about. Then the genuises actually put them in office. They are the reason, things are as eff'd up as they are now. And we're supposed to welcome them into the fold???? Really??? Because if you do that, they will get all the credit for OWS and it will make them stronger and OWS invisible.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:59 AM
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36. i agree... i don't think it could be done without msm shifting it to teabaggin. nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:17 AM
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42. The M$M would say, the TP is growing because frustrated Dems are joining
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 08:20 AM by Kahuna
THEIR side, thereby allowing voters to believe the tp is going mainstream. Stupidest idea I've heard all year, originally proposed by dylan RATigan. He's a millionaire who makes his money the same way as rush and hannity. He has a book coming out. That's his agenda to usurp the cause because it will benefit HIM.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:48 AM
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17. The tea bag party is a joke. Bought and paid for by the wealthy.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:03 AM
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19. The "Tea Party" is a top-down enterprise. OWS is bottom-up.
The TPers claim to be "grass roots" but are funded by mega-rich right-wing individuals, think tanks, etc. Teabaggers are as a group too dumb to realize that they are funded by and working for their own oppressors, directly against their own interests.

What a difference from the OWS groups! No corporate funding. (Hell, no coverage on the corporate media!) No kid-glove treatment of the corporations and the super-rich. And no billion-dollar buses carrying knuckle-draggers to free food and a photo op. These are Americans. I honestly don't know what the teabaggers are.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:58 AM
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18. I see what you're trying to say - the original teaparty was pissed off
about some similar things before they got co-opted by the religious right and fluffed up on their own self importance by the M$M - they just had no clue where to direct that anger at the time. Enter FAUX news and the blow hard punditry to constantly drumbeat that it was somehow Obama's fault (and all those other undeserving black folks of course) and that group was changed forever.

There is no reaching them now. They have way more in common with the KKK than OWS
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:07 AM
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21. Some of the Teabaggers will show up at OWS
I'm not talking about the Redneck Libertarian/TP Express types, but the misinformed citizenry that took the bait and fell for their propaganda.
Whenever I venture into the Hinterlands, it seems all I can hear on the Radio is Reich-Wing crap or Dominionist Evangelical End-Times wailing. It's no wonder a lot of these people are confused. Once they see that we stand for many of the same issues that are dogging them every day, they will come to the Light.

When they do come to OWS, and I would venture that many have already, they probably won't publicly admit that they had been a TP'er.

There's no True Believer like a Convert.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:07 AM
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22. "Come together" with teabaggers? Are you nuts?
You might as well ask "Why can't oil just come together with water?"

I fear that you are naive about the nature of the enemy.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:09 AM
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23. By convincing them, gently, to put aside the *issues,*
such as gay marriage, abortion rights, blah blah blah, and focusing on getting $ out of Congress. Like THAT'S easy ...
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:14 AM
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25. When they renounce Supply Side/Reaganomics as the bullshit pyramid scheme that it is.
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 07:17 AM by HughBeaumont
I'll be a waitin' mofo on that one . . . GUARANTEED!!!

Funny, I imagined my 17000th post would be a little more epic than that.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:17 AM
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28. Tea Party : OWS = a department store mannequin : Salma Hayek
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 07:18 AM by baldguy
OWS is everything the Tea Party was advertised as and was supposed to be, but never was.

Tea Party



OWS
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:23 AM
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29. Taking in the TP will only strengthen their message and dilute OWS...
It will tell America that the TP is growing, not OWS. Duh.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:39 AM
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33. The Tea Party
is a tool of the corporate opposition. They will not recognize this.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:02 AM
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37. Some people protesting are libertarians that were TP before it was co-opted by the...
...Movement Conservatives.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:09 AM
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39. The Teabaggers Are About To Be Tossed Under The Rushpublican Bus...
The fiasco that is the GOTB "primary" season highlights how divided and screwed up that inept and corrupt party is. One by one the teabagger faves...O'Bachmann, Mooselini, Herb Cain et all are getting beat up...not by our side or the "librul media" but by operatives inside the party who already have determined it'll be between Mittens and Parry. That's a choice for a teabagger akin to asking around here if you'd prefer to support Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman for our Presidental nominee. What's a teabagger to do? Do they "hold their nose" and take one for the team? And how about the Paulbots? They're not gonna be too happy either. Methinks we're gonna see a third party from the great unhinged next year. In the end the teabaggers will do the Democrats a lot of good being just where they are and destroying the rushpublican party through primaries and other antics next year.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:33 AM
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46. Actually read up on the rise of the GOP
Ah the smell of whigs in the morning.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:10 AM
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53. Modern Day "Know Nothings"...
That term should be applied to the teabaggers. There's a reason Faux is "moderating" these days...

:hi:
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:17 AM
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41. Simple -- about 1 in 2000 Americans would actually leave their TV long enough
to go to a protest. That's a small sub group and almost all OF THEM are frustrated with the government's actions to end the depression.

Some people love to protest -- there have been LaRouche people, Tea Party, Ron Paul people, etc. at this thing. That is what Democracy looks like.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:21 AM
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43. The dylan ratigan, third way??? Turn him off. He has a book to sell..
He's always coming up with "solutions" that will only benefit HIM.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:22 AM
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44. It is starting to happen
watch the live feed.

Or you think the guy on a photo last night with the don't thread on me was on "our side?"

Well he is... but it is starting to happen. People are figuring this out... and the 1% are not gonna like it.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:28 AM
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45. These two opposing sides are exactly why election rigging machines have never been addressed
Neither party wants to lose power to the people.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:33 AM
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47. Why on earth would we want to join up with them?
It would be like joining up with the guy who robbed my house. Hey, maybe I can help him carry the stuff out... No thanks. Not sure what that's supposed to accomplish. We are at cross purposes. It makes no sense. It can only do harm.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:34 AM
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48. It's called marginalization. Why not have the Nazis and NAMBLA join OWS while we're at it?
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:59 AM
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50. There appears to be common ground.


The Tea Party wants to bring down the government and OWS wants to bring down the economic system. The War on Human Rights has many fronts and the need for many allies.

.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:01 AM
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51. The Tea Party doesn't give a fig about human rights. In fact, quite the opposite.
There is no common ground.
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:32 AM
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58. Who, in American society, does??? (nt)


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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:36 AM
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60. Hey, if you want to project, go right on ahead. But that doesn't change facts. n/t
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:13 AM
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77. The Tea Party and their dangerous agenda on social issues is a big player in the "War on Human Right
s"

These fuckers cheer executions and cheer when the uninsured die.

While there may be a little common ground in their opposition to bailouts, remember also that they FAVOR regressive tax policies that place the burden on the working class and give all the advantages to the 1%.

They are not our allies.
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:27 AM
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86. I trust that....


...when American society eliminates the corporate influence, you will develop a just response to all of the 'wacky' ideas and beliefs that permeate your culture. Now's not the time to do ideological background checks. Mobilize the passion.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:49 AM
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88. The Tea Party's "passion" is stomping on our heads. And laughing when we die because we don't have

health insurance, and cheering on the executions of people who were in all likelihood innocent. And denying human rights to anyone who isn't white/male/christian.

You are right that they are passionate, but they are passionate in the pursuit of goals that are contrary to what (it seems to me, anyway) that OWS stands for.

The Tea Party is for Wall St. They support the influence of corporate money in our political system and they lobby for the expansion of that influence.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:10 AM
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99. the teaparty has common ground with garden slugs, not the OWS movement
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:02 AM
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52. APPLES AND ORANGES!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:25 AM
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55. The issue isn't bringing the Tbaggers over, it's getting rid of koch brothers.
tbaggers are people who have been lead to believe bullshit.

we need to show them reality. once that happens they will leave the tbaggers and join us.

many already are.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:38 AM
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61. Exactly. n/t
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:41 AM
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63. if one side gets a lobotomy n/t
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:49 AM
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64. Say what?
The two are polar opposites.

I would hope that they don't find common ground. Ows would get sucked into the crazy rethug crap.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:55 AM
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66. Ye of little faith...
you really honestly believe that OWS, we 99%ers would get sucked in?

come on, give yourself, give all of us a little bit more credit.
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:06 AM
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71. No, not all get sucked in.
Some might though. If enough of the tbags start showing up, waving their signs, it might start to give the impression that the 2 are merging.

I personally don't understand why the tbags are there in the first place.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:09 AM
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73. I'm with you.
It's oil and water. I've got no problem with a tea bagger seeing the light and coming around, or thinking "I'll check this out" and being convinced. Wonderful. But the two movements are completely different. If they aren't there because they're having a change of heart? Something's up.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:10 AM
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74. frankly, I don't believe they will show up.
the tools for the corps don't have the guts, but honestly, more and more of them are showing up to the rallies in support of the 99%ers.

the fog is lifting.

the people of this nation are realizing it's not blue against read the left against right or the tbaggers against the progressives, its the people against the oligarchy.

I seriously doubt there will be any "counter" protests to this other than the half wits that posted that sign in the window "we are the 1%". that fools was nothing more than a fearful willing tool.

Those are the ones we have to convince. they are the ones that have the massive ego to think they will ever attain that 1% status.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:25 AM
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85. You're probably right.
I'm just amazed at how many people think it would be a good thing is all.
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:31 AM
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87. I'm sure there are some that will see the light.
Maybe I'm just a suspicious/distrustful person. As a group, in my gut, I believe that the tbag/rethug gang always has a nasty ulterior motive.
Back in the day, there was a song about smiling faces telling lies.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:11 AM
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76. Right now, you only THINK you are in control of your message.. Your
message will be whatever the M$S says it is.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:19 AM
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81. then why bother, right?
go away.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:02 AM
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93. Ignorance is a weapon to be used by the right. Having a movement
without a clearly defined message, and a clearly defined cause of action leaves you open to all kinds of mischief by people who are much better at creating mischief than OWS will ever be.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:17 AM
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79. OWS would not get sucked in, but that would be the M$M narrative. Remember that the M$M created the

Tea Party by continuously building them up. They could also change the course of OWS with deceptive narratives.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:19 AM
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82. of course they will try.
that's why it's important to stay strong.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:04 AM
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95. This is my point. OWS needs to be more aggressive in defining their
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 11:05 AM by Kahuna
mission and their course of action. To not do so leaves you open to be defined by your opponents. The media and politicians are quite good at doing so. Joining with the TP is like giving them permission to do do.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:14 AM
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102. I think the OWS is doing fine.
It's actually a good idea not to overly define it so much and politicize it. THe 99% message is brilliant actually. The message is "You are the 99%" and the point is for people to look at the movement and see themselves, and that's harder to do if it's been narrowly defined. I actually think it wouldn't have got as far as it has otherwise.

I just can't stand the mis characterization of a group of hateful, racist nutbags and how it seems that some want to practically give them all a hug and a backrub because they're just misunderstood is all. They'd come around if we weren't so hard on them! It's making me want to barf. No, I think we can manage just fine without them.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:01 AM
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69. I can find no common ground with people who think
science should be shunned & support cutting all budgetary line items that help people, but won't address the 800 pound gorilla in the room called the MIC.

I think what's going to happen is the sane republicans will jump ship to our boat. After all, the current dem party looks more like the 1950's repub party, so it won't be too much of a shift for them. The media will prop the teabaggers up, like they have so far. Got to keep up the appearance of a two party system, after all. The liberals, however, will be left out in the cold without a voice, unless we start our own party.

I'm less & less interested in politics as I realize our system is so broken, corrupt & compromised that it can't be changed at the ballot box.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:10 AM
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75. Teabaggers = Minuteman Group. Racists. Bigots. Homophobes. Xenophobes.
Misogynists. The Party of HATE. NO THANK YOU.

They cannot be associated with a Progressive/Liberal movement. HELL NO.


Sheriff Joe Arpaio at a Tea Party Nation rally on the border last August

Minuteman to Tea Party: A Grassroots Rebranding

May 24, 2011 3:37 pm ET by David Holthouse

Last August, more than 600 right-wing activists gathered for a Tea Party Nation rally on private land near the U.S.-Mexico border in Cochise County, Arizona. Fluttering in the desert breeze were hundreds of tiny American flags attached to a border fence of 15-foot-tall rusty poles.

Rally speakers included Tea Party candidates for the US Senate and House of Representatives, as well as marquee names from Arizona's anti-immigration movement. The headliner was Fox News favorite Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the swaggering lawman whose ski-masked deputies terrorize suspected "illegals" in controversial round-ups, and whose idea of a good photo op is the forced march of shackled Latino immigrants down a city street.

Arpaio shared the stage with Arizona State Sen. Russell Pearce, the chief architect of Arizona's infamous Senate Bill 1070.

"We have an invasion going on that's going to destroy this Republic," Pearce said.<snip>

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105240028

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:18 AM
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80. Have you ever sat down and tried to reason with a conservative?
It's loony toons time. Facts become irrelevant. Emails from the the basements of AEI and Heritage Founation become gospel. The Bible becomes central to the discussion. Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and WorldNutDaily are the only legitimate sources of political information on the planet. etc

After too many (around 2 or 3) of these hopeless, illogical discussions, AA will become an inevitable part of your future.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:22 AM
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83. And Tea Bagger is another brand altogether worse.
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 10:23 AM by Pithlet
I'm surprised at how many people here think these are just bufuddled, confuzzled versions of ourselves who just need a little patience and love, and then they'd be just like us! Have they never seen them or interacted with them? Noooooo
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:23 AM
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84. Never
Ever, ever.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:17 AM
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116. we are all 99%'ers
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:51 AM
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89. Are you serious?
You mean you believe that tens of millions of Americans would have more support and effect than tens of thousands of liberals and progressives?

That's crazy talk.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:00 AM
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92. I don't join motherfucking racists and union haters for anything. Ever.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:08 AM
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97. I'm with you, DevonRex.
Teabaggers seek to destroy all those they disagree with, no common ground, slash and burn.

Fuck 'em, they are NOT my allies in any way.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:12 AM
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100. And they hate GLBTs. They're the Dobson crowd gone wild.
Thank god with their clothes on. :hi:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:04 AM
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94. Give them 1 corner.
:evilgrin:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:05 AM
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96. not with comments like this from my local paper!
" I am the 1%.

How do you useless eaters like our, "austerity measures?"

Oh, you thought it was just for the Europeans?

Enjoy the pennies we throw you called, "Unemployment Checks."

When it runs out, you're on your own.

=)"

complete with smiley, disgusting isn't it!?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:09 AM
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98. do you want to see their misspelled hatefilled Obama signs there?
I don't think so.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:09 PM
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107. I think that's what exactly what they want. nt
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:13 AM
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101. whose big bright idea is this? because I smell a rat...
someone is encouraging this so there is confict between the Baggers and the protestors - then the police have every reason to be even more club happy and arresty.

I think it's a set up, the Baggers would be like openly inviting agents provacateurs.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:15 AM
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103. It will never happen as long as the likes of Freedom works are involved.
Dick Armey's sole purpose along with his fellow corporate overlords created the Tea Party in order to divide this country.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 12:22 PM
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105. if they don't, the status quo, corporations, and the elites will win. they want us fighting.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:23 PM
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112. There's only about 6 teabaggers left. I don't think this is a problem.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:13 PM
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108. Both sides are as mad as hell, and they're not gonna take it any more.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:13 PM
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109. They certainly can if the teabaggers truly wake up and join for the right reasons.
Otherwise, continue treating them as cultists.
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