There are a lot of people that were part of the Democratic Party's former

[mmonk]

coalition out protesting and involved with the Occupy Wall Street movement such as Unions and laid off teachers and public sector employees as well as recently graduated educated young people. Yet my Democratic Party Senator is out touting a new corporate tax holiday to "create jobs" that has a dismal record in doing so in past experience and contributes to future debt (which will be blamed on "big government spending"). The Washington bubble seems impenetrable and the bubble around the party keeps them out of the loop of trends they could benefit from like welcoming back instead of abandoning its former coalition.

What does it take?

[xchrom]

1. what does it take? nt

[RKP5637]

4. The message I get is that if you value what OWS is doing, then you're not a

democrat, by DC bubble standards. And I know I'm not a republican, so that leaves a bit of a quandary. FDR, for example, would have taken bold steps to embrace OWS.

[obxhead]

9. In a way they are right.

I'm finding more and more that I am no longer a Democrat.

It's clear that the Democratic party no longer stands for what it once did, nor does it stand for what I believe in.

I, along with millions of other Americans, have no party.

[mmonk]

10. Or maybe you just remained one.

[RKP5637]

17. That, is a very good point! n/t

[blindpig]

2. I dunno, can you out spend Goldman-Sachs?

Cuz it seems that's the only thing these guys respond to.

[mmonk]

5. No. It's why the streets are beginning to be occupied by abandoned

people.

[RKP5637]

3. The democratic party keeps abandoning people. Frankly, I'm

not sure what we are anymore. I know people absolutely refusing to vote and I'm trying to convince them otherwise, that abandoning the entire system might make it even worse. I find it hard to believe there are going to be a lot of happy former coalition members in 2012. This is so bizarre, those in the DC bubble are intent on shedding their supporters, often I wonder if it's by chance or choice.

[Tesha]

6. I honestly believe the DLC was an attempt to destroy the old Democratic Party...

...and replace it with a new coalition on the center
that would be *MUCH FRIENDLIER* to the moneyed elite.

In this way, they could maintain the sham of elections
while still assuring that no one who wasn't a friend
of the elites would ever be elected again.

And as a strategy, it worked admirably.

Tesha

[TBF]

11. And they succeeded - they even got a president elected. nt

[mmonk]

7. I think it has been the bad choices made in trying to recreate

the party into a primarily business interest party because they saw the Reagan coalition as successful not realizing it could ultimately fail.

[RKP5637]

18. Yep, I think there's a lot of validity to this, and especially the seemingly

democratic stance that I can be more rightward than you, and this ever rightward movement of the democratic party. In many ways it's now become the "me too" party. And the Reagan coalition is failing. OWS demonstrates that, as well as the economy and the failing country.

[mmonk]

19. That's what I call elected Democrats that vote like Republicans to my sons.

"Me too" Democrats.

[RKP5637]

21. I watched this last night, to me it was a pretty good showing of FDR days and

"real democrats."

Project XX: Life in the Thirties
(1959)
Project Twenty: Life in the Thirties
This installment in NBC News's "Project XX" documentary series examines American life and society in the 1930s, a tumultuous decade that saw some of the country's darkest hours, including the Great Depression and the Hindenburg disaster. Newsreels and other footage also examines some of the era's brighter moments, including FDR's New Deal, the birth of swing music, the demise of Prohibition and more.

https://www.netflix.com/Movie/Project-XX-Life-in-the-Thirties/70022844?strkid=1349354342_1_0&lnkctr=srchrd-sr&strackid=f0bfd47fa1e707e_1_srl&trkid=222336

[mmonk]

22. Thanks.

[Scuba]

8. A metaphorical 2 X 4 upside the head. n/t

[mmonk]

20. Yep.

:)

[TBF]

12. It takes what we are doing - folks in the street.

That is a threat to them because there are many more of us than them. That is the beauty of OWS being non-partisan. I know tea baggers and Randians are annoying, but that is why we include them if they show up. The more workers in the street the better. They are already trying to discredit the protests with their "what are your demands" crap - which means they are certainly paying attention.

They know full well what we demand - economic equality - and they sure don't want us to have it.

[mmonk]

14. At least it brings an answer to the question "where are they gonna go?".

The streets.

[fascisthunter]

24. yep...

[Odin2005]

13. The whole political establishment is fucking useless.

[saras]

15. I'd substitute 'business' for 'political'. Businesses too big to know all their workers are too big

Too big to fail? Too big to be tolerated.

And as far as I know, there's no OTHER force with billions of dollars to spend to corrupt our politics, is there?

[TBF]

16. I agree with both you and saras - this economic system benefits only the very richest.

It's time to evolve to a system that will put people before profits (and maybe we'd have a chance to save our planet).

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. More of what is already happening in the streets

that is what it took last time around... oh and a few strikes...