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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:56 AM
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To the DNC, and all federal Democratic legislators: Here's a little clue for y'all:
With all due respect,

Most of we OWS participants/supporters are Democrats, or are left leaning Independents that usually vote Democratic. Many of us have always voted Democratic. The participants/supporters of OWS are not republicans, although there may be one or two independent conservatives participating.

There are a lot of us, and we are activists. We are knowledgeable and active, and we are engaged.

If y'all had made a sincere effort to do your job as traditional Democrats would have done, the job of protecting the interests of working people, removing the influence of wealthy private interests from government, and preventing wealthy private interests from further taking over our government, we'd love you forever, and would be thrilled and excited to be busting our asses for you every day, on the internet, on the streets, with our pocketbooks, etc, in every way imaginable.

Instead, y'all basically protected and capitulated to the interests of Wall St/wealthy private interests time after time. Why?

As a result, we are right at this moment in the streets and on the internet in solidarity behind the OWS movement, trying to get done what y'all should have tried to get done when we gave you a huge mandate in 2008. This movement, this solidarity, could have, to a large extent, been right behind you, right now, cheering you on.

Everyone recognizes that there are a few good reasons for not getting some problems solved. But there are absolutely no excuses for not making every possible effort to solve these problems. There were ways to get necessary effective productive legislation passed beginning in early 2009. Some of these ways were extreme, such as ending the filibuster in early 2009. Sometimes you just need to suck it up and do whatever is necessary, within the boundaries of cultural norms of ethics and morality, to do the right thing.

The job did not get done. Everyone with half a brain understands that Bush/republicans left you a huge mess. However, it appears to many of us that the job did not get done because many of our Democratic legislators, like all republican legislators, were protecting the wealthy private interests that spend small fortunes on making sure that legislators do what they wish them to do. That's exactly what it looks like from here.

So now we are in the streets, figuring out how to do the job ourselves. Primarily because of our experienced observation that we lack genuine committed representation in government.

You see, you can't be kinda like republicans, and expect us to be overwhelmed with enthusiasm about supporting you and working for you. You need to be the absolute direct complete opposite of republicans. But you engaged in unwarranted cooperation with republicans that resulted in the preservation of destructive GOP policies, and the implementation of new GOP type policies.

In other words, you need to be real Democrats if you want us to get behind you. Bipartisanship is completely regressive.

There is no third way.

There is no third way.

Here is a list of some of the problems, drawn up by the OWS General Assembly in Liberty Park, NYC, that we expected you to make a sincere (d)Democratic effort to try to solve, or to prevent from occurring on your watch, when we elected you, en masse, in 2008. Upon reasonable examination, it is obvious that each one of these problems can be traced to a single source:

The undemocratic influence and control that wealthy private interests have over our federal government, and our federal legislators as well.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.


And to those Democrats that stood out as traditional Democrats, did whatever they could to sincerely legislate in our interests, and who spoke up and fought against wealthy private interests controlling our government: Thank you so very, very much for your hard work in the face of insurmountable direct and indirect opposition. You know who you are, and so do we. Bravo.
:applause:

Well, that's it, from the perspective of a lifetime yellowdog activist. You can take this ball and punt once again, or you can run with it.

If you run with it, you will have a team full of great blockers making sure that you get to the goal line.

peace
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:59 AM
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1. Many of us are Independents who have to lean right to vote Democratic. n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:09 PM
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4. Ouch. nt
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:14 PM
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5. That's for sure. nt
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:03 PM
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15. That's such a cool avatar! Can I use it too?
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:23 PM
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7. Lean, hell. I have to make a cross-country trip.
It's like traveling from the most progressive parts of the Pacific Northwest to deepest, darkest Florida.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:45 PM
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36. Wouldn't that actually be "fattest, whitest Florida"?
n/t.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:27 AM
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63. heh
:thumbsup:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:26 PM
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8. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:49 PM
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20. +1
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 08:42 PM
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29. Judging from your response and the responses
to your post, it seems that the Democratic Party might gain a good number of members if it actually followed, in practice, the traditional ideology of the Democratic Party.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:49 PM
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37. Some of us are even Socialists who make a loooooong stretch to the right to vote for dems. n/t
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:26 AM
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62. I'm with you, Dem Socialist here
But Dems are too slow for me, so they only get mild support from me. We've got to accelerate our move to a better world and society, the OWS movement will certainly help that.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:10 PM
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39. +1
n/t
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 06:50 AM
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45. Ain't that the truth. nt
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:03 AM
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50. *Raises hand* n/t
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:51 AM
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67. Roger that
We havent had a left wing party in this country for years.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:12 AM
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69. Look at the voting bloc out there on the streets -- !! It has "no place else to go" ... ????
:rofl: --

It's as though Koch Bros. DLC Rahm Emmanuel were some kind of a mesmerizer

as he hurled that bit of propaganda at the left --

Really -- the left has no place else to go --

Pick a democrat who isn't pre-bribed and pre-owned by corporations and we can

put them into the Oval Office -- and presumably with a "D" behind his/her name!!

Bernie Sanders can certainly run on a Dem ticket -- would he respond to numbers

like this?

Would Grayson?



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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:00 PM
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2. k/r, but it goes back much further than a few years.
It started in the Dark Days of Raygun, and has gotten progressively worse.

Clinton didn't curtail the WoD, he escalated it. He also gave us the job killing NAFTA, and so on.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:18 PM
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22. Yup..!
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nightgaunt Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:48 PM
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82. Failed in 1934 with the direct approach
So after World War II the leading families and their corporations rethought how they would topple our Republic. A long term process that was multi generational in scope. Infiltration from the inside out was one. Another was to create parallel organizations and push out or take over from gov't as has been done in our gov't. Joining with the Christian Re-constructionists/Dominionists/Second Apostolic Reformation among others had the same idea. Now some of the very rich were also Christian Nationalists and white supremacists too but hidden about it. (They originally wanted to have a World Fascist Organization. But failed here just barely. No one was punished even when they collaborated with the Nazis---their soul mates, got off lightly.)So now since 1980 they started to make their moves. Though now Reagan would be considered a Liberal and an enemy of the oligarchs. Took over both parties, though the Democrats still have Progressives and Liberals in it just that they are powerless against the fascist underground enablers who do their dirty work under the veneer of 'democracy.' What Wolin calls "inverted totalitarianism." Where the items for the rich go through like grease through a goose but if it concerns something to help us it is like having sex with a porcupine. Painful, slow and ultimately un-fulfilling.

Even president Jimmy Carter in his last year started the fascist ball rolling by lifting some of the regulations. Reagan simply continued and expanded upon it. The last two Democratic presidents have also aided it in Regressing even as they through us a few bones to keep us happy. How much longer before the other shoe is dropped on our economy to leave it devastated and open to the manipulations of the Disaster Capitalists after their Shock Doctrine renders us destitute and in need of their convenient 'help.'

They know that we will be so desperate for our old lives, minus the bill of Rights, we'd take it with open eyes from the blue clad Army of the Apocalypse that will be letting us know that they will restore order, electricity, clean water and food but for a one time offer of our freedoms. I suspect most will take it without a second thought.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:00 PM
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3. K&R...n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:17 PM
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6. K&R!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:26 PM
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9. Very good.. Well said.. . . . . . n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:29 PM
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10. K&R
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:32 PM
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11. Wonderful... Thanks For Posting The Manifesto! n/t
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:49 PM
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12. WOW is all can say.. this is SOO right on!!
bump
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:55 PM
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13. Very glad to recommend and kick this. Is third way equivalent to
bi-partisonship?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:19 AM
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71. Jonathan Cowan, Pres. Third Way: "base of the party is to be ignored" ... and populist discussion
and debate is also taboo according to Cowan who describes populism as

the equivalent of Karl Rove propaganda of extremism -- !!!

That from Cowan on C-span one morning last week!!

Third Way now controls the Democratic Party -- !!

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:01 PM
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14. And they are correct, this is what we worked for.
And when the government fails to do its job, the people are obligated to intervene.

They have bought the media also, which is now controlled by Corporations.

Bring back Glass Steagal and a better version of the Fairness Act.

And only vote for politicians who refuse Corporate funding.

And yes, thank you to people like Dennis Kucinich who tried and Marcy Kaptur and Bernie Sanders and a few others. We need to help them by electing overwhelming numbers of non-corporate funded candidates to back them up in their efforts.

:kick: Let's see if the MSM will read that on the air. Keith Olbermann has in a special comment this past week.

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:17 PM
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16. If they do not understand that they are never going to understand.
They need to wake up - get moving or lose it. I cannot be there but I am in full support of this group of heroes.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:52 PM
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17. Perhaps the most important American political conversation EVER -



Sat Jul 09th 2011, 11:53 AM
George Seldes, who was a Chicago Tribune correspondant during the late Nineteen teens and up until 1929
relates the following conversation that he had with Dorothy Thompson -another news reporter and the wife of Sinclair Lewis:

Thompson told Seldes in 1935 that while en route by ocean liner from France to NYC that F. Sinclair, a Big Money Guy, took her away from the table where they were eating to talk privately with her.

"See those folks at the table who were eating with us?" Harry F Sinclair asks Thompson?

"Yes," answers Dorothy.

"Well, all of us are the ones who decide who gets nominated to run for the Presidency and who gets to win that office."

Among those he meant was an important associate of the Gianini family, who established Bank of America.

""We give money on both sides of the aisle, so that no matter what, one of our people is always in a place to do our bidding."

"What about FDR?" asked Dorothy.

"Our support for him was a major misjudgement on our part. We saw to it that he had money and of course, we fully expected for him to say the sort of things that he always said. We just didn't expect him to act on those statements."

Sinclair went on to state that the Inner Circle of Power Brokers was attempting to raise some five to twenty million to defeat FDR in 1936.

But the voting machinery was still non-hackable back in that era. And FDR had millions upon millions of everyday people to vote him back in.

Obama campaigned as a progressive in October of 2008. He made statements that only a progressive would make. But he tipped his hand to everyone when he told "Sixty Minutes" the last Sunday in Nov of 2008 that he thought that Paulson was doing a good job. Then he hired on Rahm and Geithner, and that made many of us suspicious.

The Big Money/Inner Circle of thhe Elite supported this man, and he has been true to them. Now we average people have a chance to stand up to the tyranny that the One Big Money Party has created.

We can do what we did a full generation ago, and make it clear we will be in the street until we have a return to democracy, and not the tyranny of a government run by the One Percent, for the one Percent, using the taxation monies of the lower Incomed to prop up their military, their Big Oil, et al. We must make sure that part of our mission is to see to it that the Nine trillions of dollars that the Big Banks had "loaned" to them through the Federal Reserve is truly returned.

We have to be there for the long haul, because this style of "informing" the Uber Elite takes a lot of time.

Once we dismantle the tyranny, we will have the money to fund alternate energy and put everyone in the nation back to work.






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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 03:43 PM
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76. "Well, all of us are the ones who decide who gets nominated to run for the Presidency
and who gets to win that office."

That is an important conversation.

George Seldes was possibly the greatest political investigative journalist of the 20th century.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:45 PM
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18. I leaned left and got a repuke instead.
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desertrat777 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:48 PM
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19. V for Vendetta
I'm watching the film V for Vendetta once again. You know, the one with the guy wearing the Guy Fawkes mask and outfit.

I don't like the violence in the movie, but when you are being rounded up and used for experiments, like in a Nazi concentration camp, all bets are off.

We don't want circumstances to go that far in our beloved country. We don't want corporate fascism, the rule of the top 1%, a totalitarian police state. We don't want dissidents rounded up for telling the truth about corruption and greed. No, we don't want any of that.

We want responsible government of, by, and for the People. That is not too much to ask.

Anyway, the movie does illustrate the extremes a government can sink to, in order to maintain power and control. V for Vendetta also illustrates that, when people organize, they have a voice that must be reckoned with. With that vision in mind, let us support the Occupy Wall Street movement by the 99%.

BTW Guy Fawke's Day is November 5. Are there going to be 99% rallies then? It would be a meaningful time for peaceful demonstrations nationwide.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:55 PM
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21. Thanks Zorra!
Keep it up! The Democratic Party has not only not tried to fix the problems confronting our country, they have not tried by in many cases collaborating with the opposition and undermining the 2008 Democratic Party platform.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:27 PM
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23. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Zorra.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:01 PM
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24. You are very welcome, but
the truth is that the whole thing came to me in a dream right before I woke up this morning, and I woke up with it totally clear in my head, so I began writing it as soon as I got out of bed.

I know that sounds strange, but it's the truth, that's how this thread got here.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:16 PM
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25. That sort of thing has happened to me before, but not from a dream state so much as
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 05:19 PM by Uncle Joe
just before I was about to fall asleep.

I believe it may be related to just being totally relaxed so that inner or subconscious thoughts can surface above the cluttered filter of daily stress and conscious thoughts.

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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:34 PM
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26. WE are the ones we've been waiting for.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:00 AM
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49. So true.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:05 PM
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27. There is an important message here. We need to tell our Democratic representatives
that we want change, and we wont support them if they falter. Bullshit with the lesser of evils. We wont support Democrats that dont live up to Democratic values. If that means the RepubliCons win, then we will go to the streets. We are tired of playing this status quo bull shit that's sinking us ever farther into poverty.

We want election reform and the Glass-Steigle Act reinstated.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:04 PM
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28. Stellar!
Do we need to start emailing this? at least to the Democrats? Newrooms? Newspapers?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:30 PM
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30. Bravo!!! Well said!!!
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:40 PM
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31. K&R (n/t)
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:51 PM
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32. Kr for this masterful post. We need to mount a credible write in
campaign for "you know who" who is one of the ones constantly fighting for us. A write in for the primary only....If the (0) wins we all have to back him up and work harder to vote in a democratic congress to counter his inevitable swing back to the right once the primary and finals are over.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 06:21 PM
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77. + 1. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:02 PM
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33. Agree completely, Zorra. But watch out for the feint and fade scam. It's been used before. nt
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:03 PM
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34. Very good. K&R nt
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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:08 PM
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35. Brilliant rant -- thanks. nt
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:55 PM
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38. Zorra is one of my new heros and speaks for me 100%.
I could not possibly have expressed how I feel any better. Brilliant.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:25 AM
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40. k & r
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 03:58 AM
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41. K&R
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 05:07 AM
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42. The 99% , the true majority, has awakened. K & R
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 05:57 AM
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43. Great post
Rec
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 06:48 AM
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44. To elected Democrats: Step up or step down.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:57 AM
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55. Love this.
Somebody made a thread asking for ideas for signs. Put it there. Maybe they'll find it here. Hope so.
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12AngryBorneoWildmen Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 07:47 AM
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46. And they suppress votes. nt
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:48 AM
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47. Find a progressive democratic candidate and get behind
her/him. We need to vote our people in.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:53 AM
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48. Big kick!
This should have been done years ago.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:06 AM
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51. thank you,,,,beautiful, eloquent and true
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:33 AM
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:43 AM
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53. Wouldn't it be nice if
Democrats, once elected, didn't actively work AGAINST the Democratic Party Platform?
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:46 AM
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54. K&R
Wish I could recommend more than once.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:13 AM
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56. Many of us are flaming radical liberals and proud of it!
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 10:16 AM by ananda
And we have to hold our nose to vote barely left of extreme right, like when
we voted for Obama, who is a corporate rightie when it comes to economics,
but sometimes correct on social issues.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:14 AM
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57. Excellent post.
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 10:14 AM by myrna minx
K&R

:applause:
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:16 AM
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58. The media is complicit as well...
The three strongest progressive voices in Washington since 2008 have been Elizabeth Warren, Anthony Weiner and Alan Grayson.

None of the three remain and though I have high hopes that Warren and Grayson will return in the near future, I believe that the media's appetite for the sensational has made it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy to take down politicians that the 1% do not like. Weiner's flaws and mistakes were largely self-inflicted but the witch-hunt, puritanical crapfest that followed was media driven and when a fucking piece of filth like Breitbart can grab a mic and hold an impromptu press conference with the whores lapping up every word he spat out, well its very clear who they serve...
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:46 PM
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78. "Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture"
Allen Ginsberg

Wealthy private interests, including extreme right winger Rupert Murdoch, control most of the MSM.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:18 AM
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59. Huge K&R!!! Excellent post!!! n/t
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:22 AM
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60. The walrus was Paul.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:23 AM
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61. K & R nt
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:30 AM
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64. but the left makes it easy for politicians to ignore OWS. will OWS be louder than limbaugh?
the left makes it easy for media and politicians to ignore OWS by ignoring RW radio, as it continues to mock OWS and everything progressive.

here's an example of limbaugh from about 30 min of listening over several days-

no doubt that the white house is behind it
rich white spoiled rotten jerks
parade of human debris
idiots, parasites, dumb, stupid

lightweight stuff but it's going to go on and on and on all day long from ALL RW radio shows, 1000 radio stations, many of which are endorsed by university and pro athletics teams in their spare time, reaching 50 mil a week.

and it will also be coordinated by the think tanks to specifically enable media and politicians to ignore any significant OWS gains in media.

get used to it until there is a congruent organized effort to finally challenge the corporatists best weapon.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:45 AM
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65. Excellent post
K&R and bookmarked.

:applause: :applause: :patriot:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:45 AM
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66. K and R
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:54 AM
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68. Bravo. I think most dems are pro-privatization, and have similar foreign/energy policies.
I don't see any connection between politicians and the people in terms of representation. The system is broken.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:12 AM
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70. Bravo!
The only thing I'd change is "With all due respect." Respect is earned and I don't have any for the Democrats who had the opportunity to protest us in myriad ways and refused/capitulated to Repub demands.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:25 AM
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73. Of course, the respect _due_...
.. can be: none.

(it's a lovely little phrase with that built-in sub-text. Keep it handy))

Just sayin'.

:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:23 AM
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72. Great post -- !! Last three years of pro-corporate decisions didn't happen by accident ...
I certainly will not be giving Obama another crack at what's left of New Deal --

and no one should expect that these voters will either --

These are the people who sent the wake up message in 2010 to those who aid and

abet corporate/fascism --

destruction of unions, war on labor, "harvesting of slave labor around the globe" --

These are the people who understand that they were betrayed in 2008.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:36 AM
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74. Most Excellent !!! - K & R !!!
:yourock:

:hi:

:kick:
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:58 AM
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75. K & R! Well said. n/t
:applause:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:02 AM
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79. Monday morning kick
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:46 AM
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80. Here is the bottom line that Obama and all the Democrats know to be all too true
"Where else you going to go?"
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:42 AM
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81. Seems that there is a new, great answer to this question...
The answer is:

"Why, I'm going to Occupy Wall St., of course. Why don't y'all come along and join us?"

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