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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:31 PM
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99%ers should NEVER etch their agenda in stone.
Those brave souls have been at it for a few weeks and already the running dogs are barking at them to state exactly what it is they want.

BUT, those Wall Street jokers and job traitors/exportors have never told us what their plans are. They just do it to us behind the scenes.

Make them suffer. And keep adding to the list, just as they do.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:37 PM
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1. There's just TOO much that needs radical change to boil it down to nice soundbites
Keep it nebulous, I think. Change!... worked for Obama the first time around.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:04 PM
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5. Not that word again.
It's lost all meaning. They have listed their concerns. What do they want? Jusr fix what's on the list.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:50 PM
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2. They said the same thing about a NUMBER, for tax percent, for the rich, that is fair.
There is no number. it is a MORE progressive curve, as you are more BLESSED. They want to tie you down to a number, add all the other taxes, and call you extreme.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:51 PM
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3. The problem with specifics is...
If you make specific demands, and you get them, the PTB will find new ways to take it all back. The more specific you are, the more outs you give them. Sure, they'll pay higher taxes... then export more jobs. Want them to bring jobs back to America? Well sure, they can do that. But then they'll crush unions, and eliminate benefits.

They want specifics so they can plan new ways to screw us. Our demand should be a very non-specific "Stop screwing us."
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:55 PM
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4. I certainly hope they don't
because their distractors are looking for gaps to exploit.

They need to stay strong and make sure their inner circle is
impenetrable.
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:06 PM
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6. On the other hand...a movement that does not advocate specific ideas...
is nothing more than an undefined social gathering.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:29 PM
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10. Precisely. n/t
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:08 PM
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7. I absolutely trust them to do what is right
They are fighting for our lives, our rights, our ideals and they're in it for the long haul. And they're fighting for concepts of equality and justice as much as they're fighting to hold Wall Street accountable.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:26 PM
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8. The real demand is for direct democracy
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 04:26 PM by starroute
As the Rude Pundit posted earlier, what's really being demanded is to hand back to the people the power over their own lives that has been stolen from them. And that means a system based on continuing citizen involvement in decision-making, as opposed to the kind of ballot-box pseudo-democracy we have currently, where all you get to do is vote for your choice of who you want to have screw you over.

All the other demands are either differing forms of that one demand or they are grievances arising from placing decision-making in the hands of people who are only out to enrich themselves.

But there's another level of desire beyond even direct democracy -- and that is for an acknowledgement that people have an inalienable right to food, shelter, health care, and education. And although it may not be possible to provide all those things for everyone immediately, that should be the standard -- and we should be working towards a system that does provide them rather than settling for one that pampers the few at the cost of depriving the many.

That system might look something like a cleaned-up form of capitalism, like socialism, like a mix of the two (with a bit of anarcho-syndicalism thrown in), or like something we can't presently imagine. But the discussions will have to take place in a context of what will most reliably provide basic human necessities for the many, rather than what provides disproportionate profits and power for the few.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:26 PM
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9. I think it's very clear what the Occupy X Movement wants:
An end to corruption and collusion and the corporate and governmental levels.
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