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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:56 AM
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Mass genocide of Mohawk children by UK Queen and Vatican uncovered in Canada
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 03:57 AM by Dover
By Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd

BRANTFORD, ON, CANADA - Mass graves of Mohawk children have been uncovered by ground-penetrating radar at the Mohawk Institute, a residential school for Mohawk operated by the Church of England and the Vatican before its closure in 1970.

According to Rev. Kevin Annett, Secretary of the International Tribunal for Crimes of Church and States (www.itccs.org), the Mohawk Institute was “set up by the Anglican Church of England in 1832 to imprison and destroy generations of Mohawk children. This very first Indian residential school in Canada lasted until 1970, and, like in most residential schools, more than half of the children imprisoned there never returned. Many of them are buried all around the school.”

Preliminary scanning by ground penetrating radar adjacent to the now closed main building Mohawk Institute has revealed that “between 15-20 feet of soil” was brought in and put over the mass graves just before the Mohawk Institute closed in 1970...cont'd

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/mass-genocide-of-mohawk-children-by-uk-queen-and-vatican-uncovered-canada



Do they think they can hide from God?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:07 AM
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1. Do you really think the Queen choose 10 kids to kiss her feet and killed them
because that's what this story says.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:40 PM
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27. The Examiner is a rag.
They're sort of like Huffington Post, in that they let people write whatever shit comes to mind and treat it as news. The big difference is with their name and style, they try to pretend like they're a "real" newspaper.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:07 AM
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2. some of it sounds really iffie
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:29 AM
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5. ...well I hope the story is wrong. I'm not familiar with this publication
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 04:30 AM by Dover
so really don't know either. Seems like it would have been more broadly reported if true.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:11 AM
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3. Oh my god, that's horrific.
Children... just children!

we've lost so much... on purpose. I'm horrified... and sadly, it's not the first time.

Humans are the absolute worst.



(OK, we have the possibility of being the best,too... but, we see too little of that).

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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:26 AM
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4. The ITCCS
sounds like a single guy with an ax to grind.

their "tribunal", according to their web site, is composed of a single person who is a defrocked minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Annett)

I would seriously question his motivations and his conclusions.

However, I remain open to the possibility he is telling the truth until a forensic study of any exhumed bodies is performed.

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:46 AM
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8. Agree with you - evidence is necessary.
If aboriginal populations had always been treated humanely and fairly, it would be inconceivable. I hope the report is false.

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MFrohike Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:40 AM
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6. Another story by the same author from the same site
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:42 AM
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14. I agree. This story has zero credibility. n/t
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:42 AM
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7. I got this off of a Native American/Canadians website
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 04:48 AM by Dover
Doesn't sound like murder, but more like they would secretly bury any children who happened to die there.
However, there are clearly suspicions, perhaps based on the large number of deaths?



Location of Mass Graves of Residential School Children Revealed for the First Time

British Columbia: Hundreds, and possibly thousands, of Native children are buried in mass or hidden graves at residential schools once run by the Catholic, Anglican and United Church and the Canadian government. Many of those children were secretly buried and never identified. One eyewitness described how he helped bury a young Inuit boy at the United Church's Edmonton residential school in 1953. "We were told never to tell anyone by Jim Ludford, the Principal, who got me and three other boys to bury him," said Sylvester Green. " But a lot more kids got buried all the time in that big grave next to the school." At a public ceremony, the FRD (Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared) released a list of 28 mass graves of Aboriginal children who died in Indian Residential Schools. FRD leaders will ask the United Nations to supervise the mass graves and observe an inquiry and judicial prosecution against those responsible for the children's deaths.


http://www.nativevillage.org/Archives/2008/May%201,%202008%20News%20Issue%20187/May%201%202008%20News%20I86%20v2.htm

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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:52 AM
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9. Perhaps child abuse victims?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 04:55 AM
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10. Maybe, and/or disease. It shouldn't be too difficult to find out once they exhume the bodies...n/t
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 05:45 AM by Dover
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 05:10 AM
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11. Some history on the Mohawk Institute....horrific history.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 06:01 AM by Dover
After reading this history, I think it might have been worse than anyone can imagine...





The Mohawk Institute was established in 1831 and was managed as a residential school by the New England Company, the agent of the Church of England in Canada. Agents of the New England Company believed that removing Indian children to residential schools—away from the influence of their families and communities—was the most effective means to educate them. The Reverends Nelles and Elliot (of the New England Company) supervised the Mohawk Institute and the Mohawk Chapel and were very influential in the operations of the Six Nations community.

More
http://www.anglican.ca/relationships/trc/histories/mohawk-institute/

In the timeline provided it says that in the early 1900's the school and other structures were burned to the ground BY THE STUDENTS. Hmmmm....


Another viewpoint:

"Residential schools.” On the surface, the term sounds benign, even bucolic, the sort of place where upper-class Britons would send their children in preparation for Oxford. But for Native Peoples in Canada, residential schools are the stuff of nightmares.

For a century, from the 1880s until the mid-1980s, the government of Canada maintained a system of boarding schools for Native children that were operated by churches, including the Anglican and Presbyterian churches, the United Church of Canada, and the Roman Catholic Church. The schools’ ostensible purpose was to provide education for Native children. But that education served a larger purpose, one that can only be termed genocidal: to eliminate indigenous culture from Canada. “The problem with the Indians is one of morality and religion,” said the Reverend A. E. Caldwell of his school in 1938. “They lack the basic fundamentals of civilized thought and spirit, which explains their childlike nature and behavior. At our school we strive to turn them into mature Christians who will learn how to behave in the world and surrender their barbaric way of life and their treaty rights, which keep them trapped on their land and in a primitive existence. Only then will the Indian problem in our country be solved.”

Modeled on the Indian boarding school system in the United States, the residential school plan was based on the idea that the most effective way to eliminate Indian culture was to break the chain of transmission: to remove children from their cultural environment and indoctrinate them in complete isolation. To be sure that there was no chance of backsliding, children were put in schools far from their homes, in some cases thousands of miles away. Their parents were not allowed to visit and the children were not allowed to return home (though this did not stop them trying, and some died in the attempt). At first, attendance was voluntary, but in 1920 the government passed a law requiring every Native child, including First Nations, Métis, and Inuit, to attend the schools. Thereafter, children were forcibly removed from their homes by clerics and government officials and sent away for retraining.

...//...

To invalidate their identities, children were not allowed to speak their own language. If they had the temerity to ignore this rule, they would be beaten into compliance. And the beatings were the least of it.

The conditions of the schools and the behavior of the people running them were appalling. In 1999 the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples issued a report on the schools that followed extensive interviews with Native people across the country. That report, an unflinchingly honest appraisal, lays out a detailed scenario of neglect and abuse of a kind and on a scale that would be hard to credit if it were described in anything but a government document. To begin with, the schools were badly under-funded and largely staffed by unqualified or questionable people. The food was in short supply and often contaminated; sanitation was almost nonexistent; the buildings were cheaply built and poorly heated; and because the schools were paid on a per capita basis, they were badly overcrowded. The children, already disoriented, malnourished, and abused, were ripe for illness, and tuberculosis and other diseases were rampant. By some estimates, 50,000 children died in those schools, out of 100,000 who attended. To make matters worse, there is evidence that in many schools the death rates had a helping hand. Dr. Peter Bryce, the chief medical officer for the Department of Indian Affairs, conducted a survey of the residential schools in 1909 and issued a report in which he said, “I believe the conditions are being deliberately created in our residential schools to spread infectious diseases. It is not unusual for children who are dying from consumption to be admitted to schools and housed alongside healthy children.”...
cont'd


http://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/canada/oh-canada


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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:06 AM
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12. Wow, that's scary stuff (n/t)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:47 AM
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16. Thanks for placing something substantive in this thread
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:26 AM
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21. lol....you're welcome. I'm just sorry I didn't make it the OP.
The OP distracted from the very tragic implications of the REAL story here.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:15 AM
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13. As a group, the Mohawk people were and are highly sophisticated philosophers and
they occupied key territory along the borders and the St. Lawrence River (later Seaway).

There has been an ongoing campaign against them from both sides of the border they straddle -- and the subterfuge ain't over yet.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:46 AM
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15. The Church of England and the Vatican?
So enemies got together to slaughter native American children?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:12 AM
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18. Didn't have to 'get together'
The shared the same Imperialist agenda. Both institutions intent on eradicating anything that did not conform to their conception of 'truth.'

Kinda like the RepbliFundies of today: "Our way, or eternal damnation (starting right now as I steal your land and livelihood IN THE NAME OF GAWD)."
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:12 AM
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20. Really, it'd be like Nazis and Stalinists getting together in common cause. Smieszny!
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 08:13 AM by Bucky
(that's Polish for "ridiculous!")
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:10 AM
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17. Atrocious things were done to the Indians. But pinning it on Victoria personally is a red flag.
I can now safely add "examiner.com" to my don't-bother list
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:12 AM
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19. Yes, sorry about that. BUT there IS a story here. Scroll down to the post on its history.n/t
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:50 AM
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22. Yes, the Industrial schools and deracination of these children was
a shameful and very sad part of Canadian and U.S. history, and should never be forgotten. I would suspect many of the children found in those graves died of disease. That they had to suffer so much, completely isolated from their families, is horrible even to imagine.

"During the years of operation, hundreds of children died at Carlisle. Most died from infectious diseases common in the early 20th century that killed many children. More than 175 were buried in the cemetery. The bodies of most who died were sent to their families. Children who died of tuberculosis were buried at the school, as people were worried about contagion.<4> The new climate, separation anxiety and lack of immunity increased the death toll. Others died while attempting to escape from the school. Some suffered physical, emotional and sexual abuse or malnutrition.<18> Beatings were a common form of punishment for students' grieving, speaking their native languages, not understanding English, attempting to escape and violating the harsh military rules. Other forms of punishment included hard labor and confinement. According to Dr. Eulynda J. Toledo of the 21st-century "Boarding School Healing Project", children at Carlisle had their mouths washed with lye soap for speaking in their tribal languages.<18>"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle_Indian_Industrial_School









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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:59 AM
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23. And it seems from some documentation that sometimes, their exposure to disease
was deliberate. Their lives were not valuable to those running the show, and that is where the genocide
claims come in. I'm sure there were those who genuinely loved the children and thought they were doing
the right thing. But there is likely a much darker side to events as well.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:50 AM
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24. There was also a tremendous amount of sexual abuse.
It was substantiated, and churches went bankrupt due to court cases about it. It's not made up nonsense. Some of these schools were run by pedophiles.

Isn't it in Wikipedia? I haven't checked, but Wikipedia does not always tell the whole truth. Not at all.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:57 AM
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25. K&R n/t
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:07 PM
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26. I read about this years ago...I hope they can finally get evidence....
...although I really wish it wasn't true. Sounds like the same thing they did to the Navajo & Hopi here in the SW. Shipped em off to schools and eliminated their heritage and anything else they could.


So so sad and makes me beyond angry that humans do these things to other human beings. What is wrong with us as a species that we can do these things like this??
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:52 PM
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28. There's a Canadian film about a brother and sister in one of these schools:
It's called Where the Spirit Lives. I don't think it's out on DVD (it came out on VHS in 1991, and there are some used copies available through Amazon), but after the children refuse to be assimilated, they are told (falsely) that their parents are dead and they might as well give up. Meanwhile, the parents come looking for them and are told that their children are not at the school.

It's similar to what happened with boarding schools in both Australia and the U.S.

The U.S. and Britain were both in very imperialist phases when these schools were established. They believed that they were the pinnacle of human achievement and that everyone should either serve them or aspire to be like them. (Some Americans haven't gotten over that attitude yet.)
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:36 PM
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29. While treatment of Native Americans has been awful throughout much of history
I wouldn't trust anything from Alfred Lambremont Webre. He is obsessed with 'exopolitics' (i.e. the politics and economics of civilizations in outer space) and has an obsession, reminiscent of the Larouchies, for blaming the Queen personally for all kinds of things.
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lindysalsagal Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:32 PM
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30. I'm thinking Canada wouldn't cover this up. Any canadians on here?
There were many of these prisons, pretending to be schools, and children were taken away from parents, and I'm sure there was abuse. I'm sure they were as much a punishment to the american and canadians who were sent there to run them as it was for the indians. You're not gonna volunteer for that duty if you can help it.

So I'm sure there was abuse. I'm wondering about the murder charges, though. If this is a rag, the canadian government will investigate. I hope the poster will re-post when there is more reliable coverage.

These were a terrible tragedy, either way.
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