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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:13 PM Original message |
Capitalism IS the problem |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Free trade, no tariffs. That fucked us over. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. But what led to free trade and no tariffs? |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Part of "Globalism" was killing unions |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Capitalism is capitalism whether national or global. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yet it gives us New technology, pharmaceuticals, entertainment and a lot of the pleasures in life. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Capitalism is not the only way to provide incentives |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. How do you reward achievements with money and not be capitalist? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Is the Nobel prize a capitalist reward? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Yes it is... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Nobel was a capitalist, but that doesn't mean the prize is |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. 0bama got $1.4 million for his prize. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Yes...and? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. It's a nice chunk of change. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Too bad he never earned a penny of that change, |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. They produce retirements for state pensioners. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. No they don't. |
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Synicus Maximus (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. Exactly what did he do to win the prize? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Dunno. Doesn't seem like the ultimate in incentivizing though does it? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. It's an example |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
73. If you reward with bonuses, that is capitalism. Money based on work effort and |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Why does a hedge fund manager get a bigger reward than the person who collects your garbage? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Maybe because anyone who can walk and lift 50 pounds can collect garbage? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. ...and anyone with a keyboard can be a hedge fund manager |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. How do you know I haven't? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 01:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
100. Who says the hedge fund managers are qualified or successful? Can you say 'bailout'? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 06:00 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Unqualified, unsuccessful hedge managers |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
74. So...go try and be a hedge fund manager. First, spend hundreds of thousands of |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. "There are a lot of those jobs around" |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Besides, what GOOD is a hedge fund manager? Anwser: Useless |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
122. Oh THIS conversation again...Anybody can do any job |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
84. Geez, basic Marxism. Perceived value of labor vs. actual value of labor. And yes, a garbage collecto |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #84 |
106. OFTLOF |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #106 |
121. The point is garbage collectors perform a far more important task than the hedge fund managers, |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #121 |
203. I know some in these parts are die-hard idealists |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Why does he lose half his assets in 10 months whereas the person collecting your garbage still gets |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. lol let me get my violin |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Well that's how he makes a lot and loses a lot |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
204. The People Who Collect the Garbage Do Not Speak English |
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Billypenn (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
117. The Space Program gave us alot of good stuff too. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. capitalism with regulation worked so well that people stopped paying attention to gov't here |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Not sure how well it worked |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
98. that is a completely different argument, unrelated to capitalism. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #98 |
167. I disagree. I think it is essential in the understanding of Capitalism. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. So what is the alternative |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Yeah, what is the alternative to letting rich people profit from our labor? |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. So you've reached a level of political enlightenment |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I'll give you a list of alternatives... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. A few disagreements. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communist |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. No, I haven't even cracked a beer |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
86. Alternatives Are, Be Self-Employed, Work for a Cooperative or a Non-Profit or a Government Agency |
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ChillbertKChesterton (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. The answer of "what we should do now" is to find an answer to this question |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:53 PM Original message |
Then you can move along without me |
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ChillbertKChesterton (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
71. There's no way real social change can happen without it |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. The alternative is to scrap capitalism |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. I wonder if folks said to George Washington "so what is the alternative" |
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ChillbertKChesterton (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. People say "well if you don't have an alternative, you shouldn't criticize Capitalism!" |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
23. all systems that totally eradicated capitalism have been impoverished totalitarian nightmares |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yet Capitalism itself leads to impoverished totalitarian nightmares |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. l modern Europe has shown a workable alternative - not perfect - but something that actually works |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
31. No,UNREGULATED Capitalism is the problem |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. The problem is, Capitalism provides motivation to buy the regulators |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. I'll have to give you that |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. Greed provides the motivation. No matter what system. |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
65. Agreed |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. And there is no incentive to bribe government officials in Socialism? (nt) |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. Democratic Socialism IS the answer. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
37. UNREGULATED Capitalism. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
40. OK. Then, it's time to find a path to a non-capitalistic |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. If workers owned the means of production, how would millions starve to death? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Oh, dear. Sounds great. How do you accomplish having the |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. You didn't answer the question n/t |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Nor did you answer mine. I asked for a path, you provided an |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Why do you want a path to a system you say will kill millions? n/t |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
68. Howzabout Capitalism Dominated by Worker-Owned Businesses? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. If *all* companies were employee owned - that would fall under the definition of Socialism |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. That would be Mutualism. An influential early form of anarchism. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Economist David Ricardo suggested Social Democracy as a tranition phase |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. And how do you put people in control of the means of production, |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. How do we get there? Nationalize certain companies. I'd start with Big Pharm. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. When the Oil Companies Fuck Up Big Time, Cancel their Leases |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #94 |
164. But that's just it - Capitalism won't let that happen |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
201. It's easy to compensate the shareholders |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #77 |
107. You do realize that there is no current way to nationalize |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #107 |
123. And that's where the conversation ends... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. As a wise DU'er wrote in a different thread... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #123 |
129. That's what's so frustrating to me. I have lofty goals, too, |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #129 |
146. At the rate we are going now, there won't be an "America" in twenty or so years |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #123 |
143. We need a brand new government |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #107 |
125. Industries have been nationalized before. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Yes, but getting Congress to authorize such things isn't so |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #130 |
145. Congress has utterly failed. Fire them all, and then sue them for fraud. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #125 |
144. Thanks. I couldn't think of the instance, but I knew there was a precedent. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #107 |
142. That doesn't stop the government from doing other things it's not authorized to do |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
200. Not Taverner, but I'd just wait till they crashed |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
43. It worked for a while. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
49. Corporatism is the problem, not capitalism. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Wrong. Corporatism is Capitalism in it's final stage. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Yep. It's a form of Imperialism. As Lenin said it's the highest stage of capitalism. |
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Zanzoobar (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
50. Imagine |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
52. I see the Capitalism defenders have arrived. UGH! |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. do you not see a little irony in saying that and having a Howard Dean avatar? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
63. Absolutely true. The weasel word "corporatism" just distorts this fact. |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
67. Unregulated Capitalism is the enemy of workingmen. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
69. K&R. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
70. Here we go again. Every time things get tough it's capitalism's fault, but... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Capitalism works well for a few, but not the majority. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. But still no alternative. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. We have an alternative. It's called socialism. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. What are the ills of socialism? |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #83 |
109. Hello? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #83 |
112. Why don't you tell me what you think they are and I will address them. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. We could start with all the failed socialist states. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Your one flaw doesn't exist. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. That's exactly what it is. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Oh, so we are judging an ideology based upon the atrocities committed in it's name, are we? |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #120 |
128. No. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #128 |
132. Your first sentence shows you are completely ignorant of socialism. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Wow. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #135 |
154. Hitler WAS a Capitalist |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. You know when Hitler was asked about socialism he made it clear that his socialism wasn't Marxism. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #154 |
172. Nope. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #172 |
178. Have you ever even TAKEN a class on economics? |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. Read some history. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. He did not nationalize the German Auto Industry |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #183 |
188. You need a remedial history class. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. OK, then by your definition, Obama "Nationalized" the banks. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #188 |
192. Show sources that prove your claims that Hitler nationalized the majority of industry in Germany. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #132 |
137. By the way, I realize you said you were done, but I'm sorry you didn't get to |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #137 |
157. Wow - wishing death - how...Capitalist of you |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:45 AM Original message |
You know I put the person your replying to on ignore, but I think I'm missing some funny stuff. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
165. The poster wished you got to experience Pol Pot and the USSR |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #157 |
168. He's the one idolizing those societies. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Everyone having a job is much better than people starving |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. You've created a false choice. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. You cannot feed everyone under a Capitalist system |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #177 |
182. You can't feed everyone under any system. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. We grow enough food to keep everyone on the planet well fed. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. Explain the method by which you would accomplish that |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. That is such bullshit. I've never said I idolize the USSR. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #174 |
179. Judging from your posts, you're going on nothing more than |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #128 |
153. "The socialist system requires individuals to abandon free will and individual rights" |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #153 |
158. Which is why Ayn Rand idolized one of them. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Yep - William Hickman. She would have loved Ted Bundy too |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #115 |
131. Forgot to ask... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #131 |
134. The only "right" socialism takes away is the "right" to own private property. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Yeah, just that little insignificant right. LOL |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #136 |
148. The Capitalists have turned the means of production against the workers |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #148 |
169. What a strange analogy. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. "Productive People"???? The only thing they produce IS death |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Wow, I think we have an Ayn Rand fan on our hands. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. Okay, Captain Hyperbole. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. I hate to be the one to break this to you - but you, and pretty much all of us - will never be rich |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #180 |
185. You might not be invited. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Um, $300K is not rich |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. Trajectory. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. It doesn't really work that way |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. It can, and sometimes does. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. Good for you. I never said capitalism doesn't work for a minority of people. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. It fails when you think like the other poster. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. So are you saying those working for slave wages in China just need to work harder |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. No. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. Bullshit. China is as capitalist a nation you'll find on this planet. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #136 |
163. This computer is personal property. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #113 |
147. The Soviet states were no more Socialist than Bush was Compassionate Conservatism |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. Why Has Communism Failed to Protect the Workers in China from Said Evils? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Oh please China abandoned even attempting to build socialism with Mao's death. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Obviously. How Did That Happen? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #95 |
149. There is no "Communism" in China |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #89 |
110. The former USSR is a better example. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #110 |
150. Again - the USSR was not Communist |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #150 |
155. Yeah. The very early days of the USSR was the most free society on earth. |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. So the East Germans and the Soviets didn't make any great scientific discoveries? Or the Chinese? |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
90. Uh, no iphone without ARPANET, which was government funded. Many American innovations (human genome |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
79. K&R....n/t |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
87. Yes, Marxism 101: there is no inherent correlation between labor and remuneration. "Surplus value." |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #87 |
96. +1 |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 01:43 AM Response to Reply #87 |
99. +1 |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
91. Capitalism isn't the problem, Reganomics is the problem. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 01:56 AM Response to Reply #91 |
104. Deleted message |
Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-10-11 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
93. Switzerland: capitalist, 3% unemployment, universal health care. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
97. capitalism with regulation did work. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Deleted message |
Altruism (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
101. Minimum Wage Petition to White House |
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walerosco (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
108. Leave capitalism alone |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
111. There's something all ism's have in common |
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Che Billy (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
114. toilet musings |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #114 |
159. Well mused. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
116. Americans are a pro-capitalist people. Deal with it. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Not entirely true. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #118 |
138. I never said Americans don't want socialism as well. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Agreed. Along with a sustainable safety-net. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #116 |
184. Whether or not we sell the idea is irrelevant |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
124. And still it's 'anything but socialism'. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. I think the OP is a fan of Debs's Socialist Party and the I.W.W. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #127 |
151. He first read Marx while in prison in IL |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #151 |
162. Thanks. The more I read of him, the more I like him. |
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Colonel Schwartz (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
133. Capitalism works. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
140. No, Not Really |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
141. Capitalism is fine. People suck. n/t |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #141 |
166. Ya can't get anymore reactionary than that. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
152. Capitalism actually has two aspects that work together to maximize the damage. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
161. Actually when "We tried Capitalism with regulation" it worked pretty well |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-11-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #161 |
202. The problem with the "Capitalism works with regulation" |
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