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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:09 PM Original message |
Should dolphin/whale killers be prosecuted as murderers? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. How about fetuses? Are they less human? |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Fetusus are no less human... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
77. Are you anti-choice? nt |
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RugbyGod (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I am guessing |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 04:27 AM Response to Reply #82 |
97. Bye bye now. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Feh. You misunderestimate him. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Until at least the fifth month, yes. -nt |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
96. Human fetuses or dolphin fetuses? |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. People who still think of ocean mammals as "fish" will never understand the argument. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Considering how we discriminate among one another |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. C-SPAN just had a "Republican callers only" session and the racism was beyond disgusting. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. No. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. Why do you say that? |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. No, it would not be murder. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I don't think I want to be within your reach. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. A simple DNA test would resolve the issue. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Oh, now there's a whole new can of worms. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. So then, how do YOU define who is a person? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I would say any group capable of claiming their rights, |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I would agree with the proposition that ... |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. If being able to resist dominion via force of arms is a test of "personhood" |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Actually, they do have a culture and they probably have a language |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. Cetacea, |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Thank you. |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. I prefer the company marine mammals to most people |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Good points. But consider the practices in Japan and Denmark. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yup and elephants too |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
13. It's been said, animals do not equal humans, no. NT |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Did you read the essay? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
62. Yes |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. That is why their status need to be elevated. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. They ARE animals |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Well, we would say that, wouldn't we? nt |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
80. That's true |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. No. Protection for threatened species, and requirements for humane treatment |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. I'm all for protection, humane treatment, and vigorous prosecution of... |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Thanks for your comment |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. Wonder what would happen if someone gave them the assistive technology |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
100. This whole 'argument'... |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
115. Chimps, crows, ravens, and parrots are all tool-making species. nt |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
17. *should* they? |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. "The human race is the most selfish to ever exist"? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I do beg pardon for omitting the word "species" |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I'm not concerned about that. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Sorry to hear that. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
18. definitely no. eom |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
20. Should dolphins who rape be charged as rapists? Dolphins frequently rape, gang-rape and torment... |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. They don't attack humans. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. BTW, from your original unedited response it's clear you didn't watch the videos I posted. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. You tube has a woman being "raped" by dolphins. Same title. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. And even if they did do that, people murder and rape people all the time. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. I think the point is that dolphins are not people. |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
42. You might want to watch the videos you link to. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
21. Yes. Recommended. n/t |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Hi! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
22. Only if dolphins themselves can be brought before judges and charged with crimes. nt |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
23. Changing my vote to yes.... as long as the judge, prosecutor and jury are all dolphins/whales... |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. clarification...the jury can be a mix of humans and dolphins. eom |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Nice post, George C. Scott |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. A prophetic movie. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. 12 Angry Manatees |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Counsel will now present their FIN-ishing arguments |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Tuna in next week to find out the verdict! |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
86. But can a 14 year old dolphin be tried as an adult? |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
113. In Florida, yes. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
25. Very interesting and informative post. Rec. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
26. According to Melville, whale's mighty good eatin' |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Ha. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. depend on what brand of chew they've been using. eom |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
75. Thank you. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
40. No. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
44. No. Nonetheless, an interesting OP. Rec'd |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. Forget the brain |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. Dolphins can use computers |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
58. no that's just silly |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. " that's the law of the land and the way the majority wants it" |
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underseasurveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
59. YES YES YES they should |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
66. Same ol same ol |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. A mole is an animal. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. No a mole is a mammal |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Ah, but does it periodically seek and rescue humans? |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Oh...ok |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Hi |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #70 |
99. I think the point is that ... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Ah, forget this pointless animal rights argument. They repealed DADT! Celebrate! |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Congratulations!!!. And thanks for kicking the pointless thread. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Thing are not what they seem. Will PM you shortly. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Thank you. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. You are a lovely dirtbag... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Go to this thread and relax. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
68. YES!!!!! Dolphins are amazing mammals. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. I think of those vortex rings as "smoke signals". |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
69. If a person is as dumb as a cow, can I kill him? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. A cow is an animal. |
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AmandaMae (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yes. It's speciesism to assume humans are the only ones with rights. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Agreed. |
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Countdown_3_2_1 (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #71 |
78. The problem is other animals are unable to demand their own rights. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. I would agree with that |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
79. No, marine mammals are not people. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Some marine mammals are persons. Sorry. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #81 |
102. But you didn't cite science -- you cited philosophy. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
83. No. They're not people. Some things really are that simple. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
91. "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others" |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. We tend to not treat mammals like fish |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
94. No, but they shouldn't kill them. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
95. If a dolphin is killed |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
98. It should be a crime of the highest order |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
101. No |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
103. Make killing dolphins a crime? Yes. Completely equivalent to murder of a human? No. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Thank you. |
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micraphone (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #104 |
114. It appears that all cetaceans, including killer whales, are prohibited(?) from killing humans in the |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Thanks for your post. |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
106. Only if monkey killers get the same treatment |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
109. Absolutely not. n/t |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
110. Dolphins have big brains. Big, tasty brains. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
112. Absolutely. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
118. Charging fishermen as murders. Ever wonder why people view animal activists as extremists? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Ever wonder why it took so long for civil rights? Gay rights? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
119. My op does not represent the views of the linked author |
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