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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:26 PM
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Please DU this poll
"A controversy over cupcakes is heating up at UC Berkeley in California, where campus Republicans are planning to hold an affirmative action bake sale on Tuesday.

At the sale, white men will be charged $2 for a baked good, Asians will pay $1.50, Latinos $1, African-Americans 75 cents and 25 cents for Native Americans, KGO-TV reported.

Women will get a 25 cent discount.

"The pricing structure is there to bring attention, to cause people to get a little upset," Campus Republican president Shawn Lewis told the TV station. "But it's really there to cause people to think more critically about what this kind of policy would do in university admissions."

More story and poll at link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/25/2011-09-25_affirmative_action_bake_sale_at_berkeley_college_has_students_up_in_arms_.html?r=news
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:29 PM
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1. Yes, this is offensive is currently only 24%
Do you think the bake sale should be banned?

Yes, it's completely offensive and makes for a hostile educational environment. 24%
No, it's freedom of speech and a valuable lesson for the students. 73%
I'm not sure. 4%
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:30 PM
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2. Done n/t
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Saving Hawaii Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:31 PM
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3. I voted YES
But to be honest, if they're set up in the free speech area at Berkeley of all places, no it should not be banned.

Let the college Republicans remind everybody else exactly how bigoted they can sometimes be.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:33 PM
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4. Since Native Americans only pay 25 cents and women get a 25 cent discount.
I would find a Native woman and get her to take everything since it's all free for her. Put an end to the sale in a hurry.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:40 PM
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5. Someone with a microphone should say this is a good representation of how unfairly people are paid.
NGU.

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Saving Hawaii Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:25 AM
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8. bingo!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:41 AM
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16. that's an excellent idea.
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txwhitedove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 11:41 PM
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6. They'll need a calculator handy. I'm female and 1/16th Cherokee so
I should only have to pay about $1.64.


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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:29 AM
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9. You're getting all mathy, so you can't expect the GOP to understand you
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:15 AM
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7. A group of Ohlone women should get all the baked goods for free
and then give them away to anyone that wants one.
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Mac1949 Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 05:34 AM
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10. OK, maybe I'm being dense, but I couldn't find the poll...
at the link given. help?
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 06:30 AM
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11. I am a free speech absolutist, and therefore I don't think it should be banned.
Offensive speech serves to make the speaker look bad. Do we want OWS speech to be banned? With free speech, you defend all or you defend none.

I really do not favor the government controlling speech. This does seem to be speech. We've come a long way from Brandenburg principles, haven't we?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0395_0444_ZO.html

If we are so weak and flimsy a society that we cannot tolerate such a thing, we have adopted a psychological burka that will render the next generation unfit to live in a free society.

The great era of liberalism in the US coincided with a growing respect and legal observance for freedom of speech and assembly. This is no accident, and it pains me to see speech restrictions so thoughtlessly advocated on what is supposed to be a progressive forum.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 06:37 AM
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12. Weird that the poll's still up--the event was held 2 wks ago nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 07:06 AM
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13. The poll is flawed.
Something can be both free speech and offensive.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:40 AM
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15. There's another reason as well...
Polls are no damned good if they're being skewed in any way by people telling others to go over and flood the poll with votes from one side or another.

And I really don't see what the big deal is, anyway.

So a bunch of Teabaggers or Conservatives or Freepers skews a poll one way, then DUers go over and skew it another way, and in the end, it's just a big old poll pissing match.

Waste of time and energy.

:eyes:

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:13 AM
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14. Didn't this event already happen?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:52 AM
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17. It's been an annual event for several years at Cal. /nt
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