Hmmm, Iran, Central American drug cartels, Saudis, October...it reminds me of some hidden histories

[bobthedrummer]

of the deepest of politics that still plagues US. It was/is part and parcel of the PNAC doctrine, as well as the militarists et. al. If you connect with my line of reasoning add to this thread-below are a few links to consider.

First of all: The October Surprise

The October Surprise Mystery (from Consortium News Archive)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

The October Surprise (11-4-91 Congressional Record via Federation of American Scientists)
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1991_cr/h911104-october2.htm

Secondly: IRAN-CONTRA

Final Report Of The Independent Counsel For Iran/Contra Matters (via Federation of American Scientists)
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh


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[Ichingcarpenter]

1. Nobody could make that up....... Said Clinton

"The idea that they would attempt to go to a Mexican drug cartel to solicit murder-for-hire to kill the Saudi ambassador? Nobody could make that up, right?" Clinton said shortly after U.S. prosecutors accused two suspected Iranian agents of trying to murder Saudi envoy Adel Al-Jubeir.

Since you asked, yes. Someone could make that up, and did.

This is the same reverse psychology your neocon predecessor Rice used, Hillary. "Who could have imagined planes flying into the twin towers or Pentagon?"

Hey, we know who, and you know who. Cut the crap.

Low Budget False Flag

I think this latest phony "plot" is false flag warfare on a budget. Perfectly timed and placed supposed Iranian terrorist patsy looking for a hit man guess where? Right amongst the Mexican drug lords Clinton and Holder are under fire about arming! Who'd a thunk?

And what do you know...not only is this a timely major distraction from some nasty domestic problems, what a nice excuse to crank it up a few notches in their itch to attack Iran! As usual, several birds with one flag.

[bobthedrummer]

2. Yep, we certainly can/ must trust the "intelligence/national security communities"

:sarcasm:

[Raster]

3. I think you've hit the nail right on the head!

This has all the hallmarks of yet another FBI TERRA TERRA TERRA slob job. Long on panic and innuendo, very short on substance.

[a simple pattern]

23. Glenn Beck could make it up!

I guess Soros would be in there somewhere, tho

[AntiFascist]

31. It seems like they are doing test marketing....

There's such a huge, fixed budget allocated to the Pentagon (usually over 50% of tax revenues) they need to decide what wars to spend all of this on. They are trying different strategies to determine what resonates with the American public.

[Arctic Dave]

4. Agreed, this thing is goofy from the word go.

Hits all the boogey men and knocks all the other news off the headlines.

I am going to call it right now as a total bullshit story.

[H2O Man]

5. Recommended.

Thank you for this. It's great to see some valuable posts on this forum.

[bobthedrummer]

12. I thank you, Patrick-hope you are doing well.

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

6. A kick for all of US that can't be "surprised" anymore-add your thoughts on this latest "act"...

[formercia]

7. I am so not surprised that I almost didn't waste my time to comment

but thanks for posting this. I hope it helps clear things up for people who hadn't 'been there done that.'

[bobthedrummer]

8. Thanks for the kick then, formercia. I'll put some more history in this post for those that "need

to know" (from open sources, of course)

The Iran Documentation Project (The National Security Archive)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/iran/index.htm

Recall former Director William Casey, formercia?

William J. Casey (Source Watch profile)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=William_Casey

For those that can't connect dots that lead right up to the present, in 1978 Casey was the founder of the RW "think tank" The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research-check out the "policies" and compare to ALEC LBN in your neighborhood

Manhattan Institute for Policy Research (Source Watch page)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Manhattan_Institute

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[formercia]

9. His nickname was 'Mumbles.'

after the Dick Tracey character. The Brain Tumor affected his speech and likely his judgment.

[Kaleko]

10. Bookmarking.

Thanks for the links, bob.

[Name removed]

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[Kaleko]

13. Awesome collection, thanks.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Glad you grabbed them before they were censored n/t

[bobthedrummer]

14. For those of US that clearly see how these connected dots have shaped the events of today

here are some more links to ponder, again note the names/events well. Some of these connect with published DUer's-I again ask for some input from others in this thread.

Bush Appoints Iran-Contra Figure To Head Up Iraq "Intelligence" Probe (2-12-04 Democracy Now!)
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/2/12/bush_appoints_iran_contra_figure_to

The Making of a Myth (11-22-91 Congressional Record via Federation of American Scientists)
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1991_cr/s911122-october.htm

Transcript: Barbara Honegger "October Surprise" 4-25-06 (Thom Hartmann.com)
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2006/04/transcript-barbara-honegger-october-surprise-apr-25-2006

Robert M. Gates (Source Watch profile)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Robert_Gates

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[midnight]

15. Just found these and started reviewing them... I will need more time, but had to thank you for

posting...

[bobthedrummer]

16. More links, and another request for participation by others (heck, I learned from many of you)

Iran-Contra and Arms-for-Hostages Scandals (History Commons)
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?irancontraaffair_key_figures=irancontraaffair_george_h_w_bush&timeline=irancontraaffair

The October Surprise File (Information Clearing House)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3862.htm

Buzz Flash 1-7-04 Interview with Kevin Phillips (author of "American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush)
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/01/int04001.html

Since the alleged target was the Saudi Ambassador to the United States let's look at some of the Saudis involved in the October Surprise and/or Iran-Contra (btw, the former Saudi Ambassador was Prince Bandar-more on him and his wife, Princess Haifa, later)

How about Adnan Khashoggi?

Adnan Khashoggi profile (Source Watch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Adnan_Khashoggi

Six Degrees of Adnan Khashoggi, Part 4 (by Timothy Noah 11-14-01 Slate)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2001/11/six_degrees_of_adnan_khashoggi_part_4.html

Lunch With The Chairman: Why Was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi? by Seymour Hersh (3-17-03 The New Yorker)
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/03/17/030317fa_fact

Add to this thread my friends.

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!

[robertpaulsen]

18. Hidden histories indeed!

Sorry I'm too late to rec this, Bob. I thought I was the only one wondering about how convenient all this seemed to be. Also, I thought you might like this link about the dissimilarities between this attempted foreign national assassination on US soil and an actual assassination 35 years ago.

The Tale of Two Assassination Plots
http://consortiumnews.com/2011/10/14/the-tale-of-two-assassination-plots/

[bobthedrummer]

29. Thank you my friend. I wonder how many "accidents" and "suicides" are/were assassinations here in

our country, this particular "story/plot" is absurd-but the history, people and context of The October Surprise and Iran-Contra are as real as Oliver North.

Oliver North profile (Source Watch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oliver_North

[Octafish]

19. There's a lot of history on DU that is mandatory for a citizen's full education.

Here's a bit that's actually news to too many:

No One Should Be Above the Law -- That's Why We Should Have Punished the Iran-Contra Traitors.

The BCCI-CIA Connection: Just How Far Did It Go?

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

[bobthedrummer]

20. You are my primary source of understanding of what the BFEE is, Sir! Thanks for your service! n/t

:patriot:

[Octafish]

21. Thank you, Sir! Thanks go to you for my understanding of the NAZI-CIA nexus.

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Some people have had to face these Ungerheueren alone.

[bobthedrummer]

26. What an awesome link, worth a rereading by anyone today, thank you Octafish! n/t

[bobthedrummer]

44. "Refresher/prerequisite" kick

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[EFerrari]

22. Darn, too late to rec!

:kick:

[bobthedrummer]

24. Never too late for the truth though, Beth. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Reminds me of some crappy "action" movies.

[bobthedrummer]

27. Productionwise too. n/t

:silly:

[blm]

28. Fast&Furious is proving to be a continuation of IranContra operations. Poppy Bush NEVER really left

his position controlling secret operations all over the world. Because Clinton let him do it and get away with it, no other Dem president can get NEAR that level of power.

[bobthedrummer]

32. Thank you blm-thanks for continuing my "education" along with our other friends in this thread.

The Carlyle Group is chuckful of blackop bloodmoneymakers, including more than a few Iran-Contra figures (Poppy, James Baker, Caspar Weinberger, Frank Carrlucci, etc)

Carlyle Group profile (Source Watch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Carlyle_Group


I concur that there has been a continuation of crimes, including murder, by many of these Iran-Contra black operators up to the present.

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!

[Uncle Joe]

30. On edit kicked, but too late to recommend.

Thanks for the thread, bobthedrummer.

[bobthedrummer]

33. James Addison Baker III certainly merits a post in this thread-what depth and experience he has!

James Baker profile (Source Watch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_Baker

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[riderinthestorm]

34. This is a really important thread. Time to kick it back to the top. Thanks for these links!! nt

[bobthedrummer]

35. The FBI Goes Rogue on Iran by Lawrence Davidson (10-19-11 Nation of Change)

http://www.nationofchange.org/fbi-goes-rogue-iran-1319045816

[Octafish]

36. Black Gold business is larger than ALL the world's governments' budgets combined.

From a professor who hit the jackpot:

Does Oil Hinder Democracy?

Ross, Michael Lewin, 1961-
Does Oil Hinder Democracy?
World Politics - Volume 53, Number 3, April 2001, pp. 325-361

The Johns Hopkins University Press

Some scholars suggest that the Middle East's oil wealth helps explain its failure to democratize. This article examines three aspects of this "oil impedes democracy" claim. First, is it true? Does oil have a consistently antidemocratic effect on states, once other factors are accounted for? Second, can this claim be generalized? Is it true only in the Middle East or elsewhere as well? Is it true for other types of mineral wealth and other types of commodity wealth or only for oil? Finally, if oil does have antidemocratic properties, what is the causal mechanism?

The author uses pooled time-series cross-national data from 113 states between 1971 and 1997 to show that oil exports are strongly associated with authoritarian rule; that this effect is not limited to the Middle East; and that other types of mineral exports have a similar antidemocratic effect, while other types of commodity exports do not.

The author also tests three explanations for this pattern: a "rentier effect," which suggests that resource-rich governments use low tax rates and patronage to dampen democratic pressures; a "repression effect," which holds that resource wealth enables governments to strengthen their internal security forces and hence repress popular movements; and a "modernization effect," which implies that growth that is based on the export of oil and minerals will fail to bring about the social and cultural changes that tend to produce democratic government. He finds at least limited support for all three effects.

SOURCE: http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/world_politics/v053/53.3ross.html

[bobthedrummer]

37. "Many persons who were deeply involved and implicated in the Reagan

administration's Iran/Contra scandal have found themselves to be rehabilitated, forgiven and accepted by American Society..."

The link below is one of the more comprehensive and easy to use when it comes to "researching" these TRADERS & TRAITORS that have run OUR ship of state into the "mine fields"

Iran Contra: Rehabilitation (Source Watch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iran_Contra:_Rehabilitation

RECALL SCOTT WALKER!

[blm]

40. Well, they've been plotting the water wars for at least the last 2 decades...those will eventually

DWARF the oil wars.

[bobthedrummer]

38. Petraeus's CIA Steers Obama on Policy by Robert Parry (10-20-11 Consortium News)

Thank you Mr. Parry!

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/10/20/petraeuss-cia-steers-obamas-on-policy/

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[bobthedrummer]

39. Robert M. Gates is a "household" name involved in ALL of the "histories"

we're discussing in this thread-below is The Center for Media and Democracy/Source Watch profile featuring him

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Robert_Gates

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[bobthedrummer]

41. Prime time kick...add to this thread DU

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[autorank]

42. Vital, well researched, and important history

I'm going to take the long path through it. Great stuff Bob. Thanks!!!

[bobthedrummer]

43. Add to this thread, kick.

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