Ok, ok I get it...this Iranian plot is mean to distract

[nadinbrzezinski]

And came from DC.

So how much did the US government pay mexican intel?

What was the price paid to the Instituto Nacional de Migración for them to arrest patsy at the Mexico City airport and return to JFK?

Here is the deal, this was amateurish as hell. I will give this to the President of Iran. This did not come from his office. I am also willing to bet not from the pro side of the Qootz force. It was either a rogue group or quite frankly a probe. But it is real, or this is a very large conspiracy involving people from three Mexican agencies and two us agencies, if not three. (There is state too)

Will this lead to war? Nope, the saber rattling though is to be expected... And none should be shocked if Israeli and saudi intel at least talk to each other now.

But please, too large and cross national borders to be a good one. I am not even counting the third nation involved, Argentina.

[Scuba]

1. My money's on BP being the source. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. BP ?

No my bet is Iranian, it is far from a unified government. There are two major factions and at least five minor ones.

[theophilus]

3. My money is on whoever would profit greatly from the U.S. starting a

war with Iran. The list is not short but it's not that long, either. Richard Clarke (sp?) said this was odd. I agree. Hello MIC? Is that you?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Clark is not using the other possibility

What I think this was... A probe.

[Akoto]

4. Or, maybe it is what they've said it is.

I understand that people tend to feel these attacks and plots are all staged to induce fear, or to open the way for war. However, I think it's a bit much to assume that every single incident is a Machiavellian ploy. There are bad and/or crazy people out there who want to harm other people. Governments wanting to harm other governments is as old as civilization.

I can't say with certainty that it was for real, but I don't assume everything's a trick, either. The world's a lousy place and, if this is as it appears, the Saudi Arabian ambassador and everyone around him escaped a terrible death.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Bingo...it is what it was

Amateurish but it was what it was.

[leveymg]

7. There's another explanation: a US "sting" that created something that wouldn't otherwise have

happened.

The amateur hour aspect of this is familiar to those of us who know the details about similar failed or foiled "terrorism" plots - the Underwear Bomber, the Times Square Bomber, the Sears Tower bomber plotters - hapless, low-level wannabe operatives who lacked the means, and in some cases the original motive, to carry out attacks that were planned, equipped, and ultimately "foiled" by US law enforcement or intelligence agencies.

It's as simple as that - if it weren't for the political types trying to turn this into an excuse to start a new series of wars.

There is zero evidence this was an official act. This is another "Underwear Bomber" case. Nobody was talking about war with Nigeria, and for good reason.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Actually you should read a tad into

Mexican paamilitaries.

As to us DEA inserting itself into the cartels, it goes as far back as the 1980s. A few times it's gone horribly wrong.

[leveymg]

15. If it weren't for the DEA and US drug laws, there wouldn't be any Mexican cartels, would there?

Everyone would have to be earning an honest, peaceful living, or getting stoned and not giving a sh-t. It's been going horribly wrong since Prohibition.

When you mix the GWOT and the War on Drugs, you have two catastrophes colliding into armed chaos. But, it's stuff like this that will probably keep Congress authorizing money for this madness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Oh Com'on the DEA is not responsible

Fully for all ills. I am all for legalization by the way. But I place far more onus on internal Mexican conditions for the rise of the cartels. Oh and shh the first war on drugs in Mexico was in the 1960s, well before the DEA or FBI could really openly work in Mexico...now the CIA ...let's not go there.

[leveymg]

30. "now the CIA . . . let's not go there." Ding, ding . . .

Gambling in here? I'm Shocked. Shocked.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. What that the CIA worked openly in

The 60s to crush them commies? Mexican operations against the drugs in the 60s were quite local, thank you.

[Raster]

8. But why attack this Saudi Ambassador? He's not a member of the royal family....

...and has been described by many insiders as merely a glorified errand boy.

My two cents: this is an American home-grown attempted distraction from the revolution taking place on our own doorstep.

TERRA TERRA TERRA

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Because a certain faction in iran would not mind

There is a small faction of mullahs that's been attempting to depose the house of Saud.

Not all comes from DC.

Bu I will give the Iranian president his due, this was not his doing.

[Raster]

25. I agree. The Iranian President is one crazy mo-fo, but not this crazy.

And as several intelligence insiders have commented: "if the Qods want to get you, you would already be dead."

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Why I read this as a probe

Looking for real deniable assets.

[TBF]

9. As the church lady would say

"well that's convenient"

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Convenient yes, but it does not mean it came

As origin from DC, or once again how much did they pay ?

I understand the cynicism, trust me I get it...but there are indeed bad actors ou there...and in this case my read...a probe.

[TBF]

Sure -

I do agree with that. And I would bet this sort of thing happens more often than we know. Maybe this time they just decided to share since it happened and can take the news off other things ... I wouldn't assume it was some big conspiracy or that sort of thing. That's what I meant about "convenient".

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I think this was a probe

And I came out after the real life paramilitaries in Mexico became a reality oh around the 20th of last month, 35 bodies recovered in Veracruz killed by the mata zetas.

[TomClash]

10. "And none should be shocked if Israeli and saudi intel at least talk to each other now. "

No one should be. They've been cooperating on Iran for at least 15 years.

[roamer65]

14. Wag the Dog.

They want a war with Iran to distract Americans from the fact the country is going straight into the shitter.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. If there is a war over this I will eat my shoe.

[roamer65]

19. The plan is to get Iran into a war with Saudi Arabia.

Then the US and Israel will hop into defend them...mark my words.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. What do you suggest I use to cook my shoe?

By the by you think the Iranians don't want to depose the house of Saud? Is this also an American plot to finance the Qootz faction that has openly said this?

[roamer65]

22. Hmmm...I hope you don't hafta eat your shoe, but I suggest baked.

Israel wants into Iran REALLY bad and we will go right along with them...sadly.

I think Israel will conspire with Saudi Arabia to get in there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. I will not be shocked if those two work together

But war...with what army? And I mean for the us. War means a draft,yes, it is that simple.

[doublethink]

28. Way ahead of you ...

something me and my nephew did up a couple of years ago ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YOzMHiT5Bo :hi:

[Obamanaut]

29. 'Quds' faction? nt

[hulka38]

21. It sounds like complete kaka.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. What part? That Mexico was up to it's neck?

Or tat the us used assets it had? Or that a faction of the iranian government did the transfers? Perhaps this was cooked by rogue CIA with mi-6 for flavor, funneling money to the made up cartels...yup, that's the ticket. I get the cynicism but real conspiracies do not cross borders this way.

[doublethink]

27. Hmmm .....

CIA, Oswald, Mexico City Soviet & Cuban Embassies ... page oh about 88 to 92 of ...
http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-Why-Died-Matters/dp/1570757550

conspiracies don't cross borders this way ... k ... all in jest ... I know what your saying ... hugs & carry on ... no other comment ... ;)

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Yup, and...

So how much was Mexico paid this time? Serious question.

Or you think all manichean evil plans come from dc? And yes, everybody else is clean as innocent doves?

I guess the bombing in Buenos Aires that the Iranian government carried out was CIA. I forgot, the president is our plant and on command denied the holocaust ever happened. I tell ya that CIA is incredibly agile.

:sarcasm: for those that need it.

[Major Hogwash]

31. There's a shark!!! Jump! Jump! Jump!!

Really stupid and ignorant thread.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. How so?

Relying real world info...or all manichean evil derives from DC?

[Selatius]

35. Even if Iran did probe us, it's nothing new in the scheme of things.

The Soviet Union routinely probed US defenses at the height of the Cold War. They would even go so far as to let their warplanes briefly dip into US air space in order to gauge US response times and watch for weaknesses in protocol. We did the same thing to them. If the US government went and reported to the media every time the Soviet Union probed the US, like it seems to be doing with this amateurish Iranian attempt at a probe, there would have been widespread support for a war in 1962 during the missile crisis, as the population would be so whipped up in fear that they'd be at risk of pulling the trigger without contemplating the full consequence of that action, and a more hawkish president than JFK would've likely been in office at the time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. It was probe...that's all

Somebody wanted to know how well we were covered..same in fact as printer cartridge bomb for more recent probes.

What should worry people is that Mexican paramilitaries are real.

[Odin2005]

36. Yup. It's all about distracting people of OWS.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I guess the Mexican media needed the distraction too

Oh wait...there was a shooting in Saltillo and a hurricane...

No, there are real bad people in the world and not all of them are inside the beltway.

And war...what war?

[Yavin4]

39. It's A Saudi Stunt To Provoke Us Into A War With Iran

The Saudi Royal family is scared that Iran will become the dominant influence in the Middle East, and they want us to go to war with them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. And there is a faction in the Iranian power structure

That wants to depose them, going back to the revolution.