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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:10 AM
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What would FDR think?


"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson — and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W. W. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States — only on a far bigger and broader basis." -- President Franklin D. Roosevelt to Colonel Edward M. House, October 21, 1933 Source.

More importantly: What would FDR do, were he here with us today?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:11 AM
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1. Thank you.
Recommended.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:18 AM
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3. The Surprising Way Television Can Make You Believe Things That Aren't True
You are most welcome, my Friend! This FDR quote doesn't appear much on DU, anymore. It certainly never gets mentioned on the television screen.

Speaking of which: Did you see this? The Surprising Way Television Can Make You Believe Things That Aren't True It may help explain a bit about our abilities to, ah, organize our thoughts, as they were.

EXCERPT...

Newly published research suggests nuggets of misinformation embedded in a fictional television program can seep into our brains and lodge there as perceived facts. What’s more, this troubling dynamic seems to occur even when our initial response is skepticism.

Gee. It costs a lot of money to get messages on television. Wonder how much longer we have on the Internets?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:15 AM
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2. kickety kick kick kick and rec! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:25 AM
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4. A Suggested Theme for the Occupation of Wall Street
Words of wisdom from a forensic economist:



A Suggested Theme for the Occupation of Wall Street

By William K. Black

The systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) are inaccurately called "too big to fail" banks. The administration calls them "systemically important," and acts as if they deserve a gold star. The ugly truth, however, is what Wall Street and each administration screams when the SDIs get in trouble. They warn us that if a single SDI fails it will cause a global financial crisis. There are roughly 20 U.S. SDIs and about the same number abroad. That means that we roll the dice 40 times a day to see which SDI will blow up next and drag the world economy into crisis. Economists agree that the SDIs are so large that they are grotesquely inefficient. In "good times," therefore, they harm our economy. It is insane not to shrink the SDIs to the point that they no longer hold the global economy hostage. The ability -- and willingness -- of the CEOs that control SDIs to hold our economy hostage makes the SDIs too big to regulate and prosecute. It also allows them to extort, dominate, and degrade our democracies. The SDIs pose a clear and present danger to the U.S. and the world.

It takes a global effort against the SDIs because they constantly put nations in competition with each other in order to generate a "race to the bottom." We are always being warned that if the U.S. adopts even minimal regulation of its SDIs they will flee to the City of London or be unable to compete with Germany's "universal" banks. The result of the race to the bottom, however, as Ireland, Iceland, the UK, and U.S. all experienced is that we create intensely criminogenic environment that creates epidemics of "control fraud." Control fraud -- frauds led by CEOs who use seemingly legitimate entities as "weapons" to defraud -- cause greater financial losses than all other forms of property crime -- combined. Because of the political power of the SDIs and the destruction of effective regulation these fraudulent SDIs now commit endemic fraud with impunity.

Effective financial regulation is essential if markets are to work. Regulators have to serve as the "cops on the beat" to keep the fraudsters from gaining a competitive advantage over honest firms. George Akerlof, the economist who identified and labeled this perverse ("Gresham's") dynamic was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his insight about how control fraud makes market forces perverse.

SNIP...

It is the fraudulent SDIs that are the massive job killers and wealth destroyers. It is the Great Recession that the fraudulent SDIs produced that caused most of the growth in the federal deficits and made the fiscal crises in our states and localities acute. The senior officers that led the control frauds are the opposite of the "productive class." No one, without the aid of an army, has ever destroyed more wealth and dreams than the control frauds. It is essential to hold them accountable, to help their victims recover, and to end their ongoing frauds and corruption that have crippled our economy, our democracy, and our nation.

SOURCE: http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/10/suggested-theme-for-occupation-of-wall.html



Thanks, Donnachaidh, for being interested in forensic economics. Everybody in the world needs to be interested.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:45 AM
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5. I think if he could see the attempt to dismantle the system he fought
so hard to establish by a Democratic Administration he would cry.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:51 AM
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6. The banksters bought guvmint for that very reason.
"The Lilliputians look upon fraud as a greater crime than theft. For, they allege, care and vigilance, with a very common understanding, can protect a man’s goods from thieves, but honesty hath no fence against superior cunning. . . where fraud is permitted or connived at, or hath no law to punish it, the honest dealer is always undone, and the knave gets the advantage." Jonathan Swift, Gulliver’s Travels

Source: A Suggested Theme for the Occupation of Wall Street by William K. Black
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 10:03 AM
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7. "What would FDR do?"
He would "welcome their hatred",

NOT welcome them into the White House.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity99!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 10:09 AM
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8. FDR Would try and get another 83% dem congress...
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 10:13 AM
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9. another 83% dem congress
That is true and would be the most effective way to deal with things as they now stand.

Sadly, however, finding another FDR in this day in age is very difficult it seems to me.

One thing is for certain, Pres. Obama is no FDR. :(

:dem:

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