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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:34 AM
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Why would someone become a modern day pirate?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892376,00.html

How Somalia's Fishermen Became Pirates

By Ishaan Tharoor Saturday, Apr. 18, 2009

<snip>Ever since a civil war brought down Somalia's last functional government in 1991, the country's 3,330 km (2,000 miles) of coastline — the longest in continental Africa — has been pillaged by foreign vessels. A United Nations report in 2006 said that, in the absence of the country's at one time serviceable coastguard, Somali waters have become the site of an international "free for all," with fishing fleets from around the world illegally plundering Somali stocks and freezing out the country's own rudimentarily-equipped fishermen. According to another U.N. report, an estimated $300 million worth of seafood is stolen from the country's coastline each year. "In any context," says Gustavo Carvalho, a London-based researcher with Global Witness, an environmental NGO, "that is a staggering sum."

In the face of this, impoverished Somalis living by the sea have been forced over the years to defend their own fishing expeditions out of ports such as Eyl, Kismayo and Harardhere — all now considered to be pirate dens. Somali fishermen, whose industry was always small-scale, lacked the advanced boats and technologies of their interloping competitors, and also complained of being shot at by foreign fishermen with water cannons and firearms. "The first pirate gangs emerged in the '90s to protect against foreign trawlers," says Peter Lehr, lecturer in terrorism studies at Scotland's University of St. Andrews and editor of Violence at Sea: Piracy in the Age of Global Terrorism. The names of existing pirate fleets, such as the National Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia or Somali Marines, are testament to the pirates' initial motivations.

High-seas trawlers from countries as far flung as South Korea, Japan and Spain have operated down the Somali coast, often illegally and without licenses, for the better part of two decades, the U.N. says. They often fly flags of convenience from sea-faring friendly nations like Belize and Bahrain, which further helps the ships skirt international regulations and evade censure from their home countries. Tsuma Charo of the Nairobi-based East African Seafarers Assistance Programme, which monitors Somali pirate attacks and liaises with the hostage takers and the captured crews, says "illegal trawling has fed the piracy problem." In the early days of Somali piracy, those who seized trawlers without licenses could count on a quick ransom payment, since the boat owners and companies backing those vessels didn't want to draw attention to their violation of international maritime law. This, Charo reckons, allowed the pirates to build up their tactical networks and whetted their appetite for bigger spoils.

Beyond illegal fishing, foreign ships have also long been accused by local fishermen of dumping toxic and nuclear waste off Somalia's shores. A 2005 United Nations Environmental Program report cited uranium radioactive and other hazardous deposits leading to a rash of respiratory ailments and skin diseases breaking out in villages along the Somali coast. According to the U.N., at the time of the report, it cost $2.50 per ton for a European company to dump these types of materials off the Horn of Africa, as opposed to $250 per ton to dispose of them cleanly in Europe.


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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:40 AM
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1. See, I was going to post a snarky, smart-assed answer about parrots
Somehow that doesn't seem like the right response after reading the article, though.

K/R
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Major Nikon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 01:15 PM
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11. A good parrot joke wouldn't be too far out of line
If you have any of those, please share.

Here's mine:

This postman is working on a new beat. He comes to a garden gate marked BEWARE OF THE PARROT! He looks down the garden and, sure enough, there's a parrot sitting on its perch. He has a little chuckle to himself at the sign and the parrot there on its perch. He opens the gate and walks into the garden. He gets as far as the parrot's perch, when suddenly, it calls out: "REX, ATTACK!"
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 02:01 PM
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19. OMG! That's GREAT!!!
Thanks for today's belly laugh.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:21 PM
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22. hee.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:43 AM
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2. Everything about the Somali anarchy should be intolerable to the rest of the world.
If the leadership void is allowing companies to dump nuclear waste in their territorial waters, the rest of the world should step in.

Other than that; fuck the pirates.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 09:59 AM
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3. What happens if the rest of the world doesn't step in to stop the exploitation?
What would you do if someone was stealing your food source and dumping toxic and nuclear waste in your town and no one was stopping them?

Don
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:25 AM
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5. People have a hard time finding out that terrorists often have reasons for what they do.

In this case it's hard to demonize people who are only trying to defend themselves.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 11:03 AM
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9. "only trying to defend themselves"
Tell that to Paul and Rachel Chandler.

Fuck the pirates. just like this.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 01:00 PM
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10. Yes, that's why they became 'pirates'.
Unfortunately, when you have no government oversight, you wind up with people doing stupid/greedy/hostile shit. It escalates because the international community does nothing to stop the destruction of their livelyhood.

Same question to you; If some mega-corporations were stealing all your town's resources and poisoning your water supply, and No one else was doing anything about it after you'd exhausted all legal recourse, would you do nothing?

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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 01:49 PM
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12. That's right. Absent a valid Somali government, it's up to others to administer justice.
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 01:50 PM by lumberjack_jeff
These guys aren't victims. They are killers. You don't need to put "pirates" in quotes. That's exactly what they are.

Last year, these fuckers took 1100 hostages. http://www.economist.com/node/18070160

If NATO blew up everything that floats in Eyl, Somalia, the locals would be inspired to create a government.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 05:56 PM
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13. I asked a fair question.

I'm sick enough of right wingers dodging it. Don't you do it too.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:53 AM
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14. You asked the same question that the other poster did.
Misfortune doesn't give a person permanent dispensation to be a psychopathic killer.

I wouldn't hijack, murder and extort.

It's reasonable to suggest that a power vacuum has allowed killers to sieze power, but that doesn't make for an excuse.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 01:45 PM
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16. I'm not saying it is.

I'm saying that the current situation came about because the international community did nothing while Somali waters were being raped.

It's our fault there are pirates to begin with.

I'm sad to hear you'd let your town die.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 03:24 PM
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20. A town of pirates isn't worth preserving. n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:20 PM
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21. Thank you for providing the formula.

(Town + abuse and destruction of resources) - (any and all legal recourse + international assistance) = 'Pirate Town' that must be destroyed.

Fucking brilliant.

So, because you're a pirate already, it's okay for the big corporations to destroy your town? Are you missing the 'chronology' gene? Do you not understand that these people were forced to do something or DIE? Yes, that something was terrible and it turned into something worse, but they weren't a 'town of pirates' until we made them one.

Anyone can become 'insurgents'.

Anyone can become 'terrorists'.

Anyone can become 'pirates'.

- If you subject them to enough injustice. That includes you. The hypocrisy is starting to itch.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:58 AM
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8. Clearly, I'd sail 1000 miles to murder the occupants of some yachts.
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 11:10 AM by lumberjack_jeff
After all, there's no other choice.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 01:52 PM
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18. I wouldn't murder or take hostages, that's for sure.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 09:23 PM
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23. Good for you. That's very enlightened.

So... how would you stop the trespassers from killing your people slowly?

Harsh language?


(PS: They tried that too)
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 03:15 AM
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24. I can tell you what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't kill innocent people or take hostages.
Would you?
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 03:28 AM
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25. I would... put into that position.
I'd do it under far less duress... I can assure you.

I'd even consider eating the innocent hostages that I'd killed because no one paid a ransom... mmm, juicy American Long Pork... waste not—want not
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:19 AM
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4. Dumping toxic and nuclear waste where you also fish for food.
Humans are soooo stupid.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:54 AM
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7. From 1946-1970, 90,000 canisters of radioactive waste were dumped off our east and west coasts
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/19/958090/-Inconvenient-Truth-of-the-Inconvenient-Truth:-Wind-Energy-Has-Killed-More-Americans-Than-Nuclear

<snip>From 1946-1970, 90,000 canisters of radioactive waste were jettisoned in 50 ocean dumps, prime fishing areas, along the East and West coasts of the U.S. as part of the early nuclear waste disposal program from the military atomic weapons program.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 10:25 AM
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6. "Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist....

"Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor." A pirate, from St. Augustine's "City of God"
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:19 AM
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15. Exxon Mobile is doing their share of oil gushers leaks inland etc which they don't even bother with
the paper towels to wipe up over there.
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EdMaven Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 01:47 PM
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17. same reasons as the historical ones: 1) poverty; 2) working as an agent of folks
Edited on Sun Oct-16-11 01:47 PM by EdMaven
higher up the food chain.

i think both are going on in somalia.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-11 04:51 AM
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26. Yo Ho! Yo Ho! I have no fucking choice!
That's what they want the whole world to be like.
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